Abbas suggests Obama promised 67 lines - E. Jerusalem

[Sweet_Caroline]

No comment to go with the illustration?

Sure, where is that 95%?

Or was that just a lie?

Why is the red area not on that pie chart, my little goldfish?

 

[Phoenall]

i see that posted a lot, but it's so much crap. first, fairly sure that "95%" is not a real number but is so much made up propaganda.

second, it assumes that every desire is equally weighted. we all know that just isn't true.

finally, you may claim that the PA doesn't want land and only wants to kill, but if that's true they aren't nearly as good at is as the IDF.

No it is real and can be found if you google Camp David. 95% OF WHAT WAS INITIALLY DEMANDED AND ARAFAT REFUSED TO EVEN SIT DOWN AND TALK. HE JUST DEMANDED MORE AND MORE CONDITIONS BEFORE HE WOULD TALK. THEN HE WALKED OUT AND ASKED CLINTON IF HE WAS PROUD OF HIS HARDLINE STANCE.

Don't take my word for it read this

Camp David, 2000

The details were not disclosed formally, but according to media reports Barak's offer included:
•Israeli redeployment from 95% of the West Bank and 100% of the Gaza Strip
•The creation of a Palestinian state in the areas of Israeli withdrawal
•The removal of isolated settlements and transfer of the land to Palestinian control
•Other Israeli land exchanged for West Bank settlements remaining under Israeli control
•Palestinian control over East Jerusalem, including most of the Old City
•"Religious Sovereignty" over the Temple Mount, replacing Israeli sovereignty in effect since 1967

In return Arafat had to declare the "end of conflict" and agree that no further claims on Israel could be made in the future. Despite the considerable concessions by Israel, Arafat chose not to negotiate, not to make a counter-offer but to just walk out. This was typical of the Palestinian leader's style: offer nothing, just say no and wait for more concessions. In fact, the Palestinian negotiating team did make concessions during the negotiating process, but Arafat himself never agreed.

He won't google it . Consider the source.

That is why I posted the deal offered by Israel, and Arafat refused to even discuss

 

[Vigilante]

peace, with any border, is preferable to the current situation.

" 67 Borders" that were never recognized before, no access to E. Jerusalem and " Right of Return'? NEVER. !!

actually "right of return" was part of the negotiations when arafat last negotiated

perhaps knowing history would be good for you.

there will never be a right of "return".

HillBillyJilly thinks Kentucky is in Oklahoma, you dumb *****! You're knowledge can be put on a head of a pin, with room left over!

 

[toastman]

No comment to go with the illustration?

Sure, where is that 95%?

Or was that just a lie?

The plan was to give the Palestinians over 70% of the West Bank immidiately while remainder would be given over the course of 10 years.
How do you not know this?????

 

[Phoenall]

A recent history of the conflict for the uninformed here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcSYUItDdZc

Source:

Lying sack of shit, Dennis Ross.

Only to you because he does not say what you want to hear. Every single part of the video was correct and the Palestinians are just blood thirsty violent psychopathic mass murdering scum

 

[toastman]

A recent history of the conflict for the uninformed here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcSYUItDdZc

Source:

Lying sack of shit, Dennis Ross.

Only to you because he does not say what you want to hear. Every single part of the video was correct and the Palestinians are just blood thirsty violent psychopathic mass murdering scum

Ask Tinmore what he's lied about and you wont get an answer

 

[Phoenall]

source:

Lying sack of shit, dennis ross.

whoa, you are loosing it my little goldfish.

lying sack of shit palestinian shill

 

[proudveteran06]

whoa, you are loosing it my little goldfish.

lying sack of shit palestinian shill

Ask what Counter Offers the Palestinians proposed that the Israelis rejected and there will be no response . Lying sack of Palestinian Shit

 

[Phoenall]

Whoa, you are loosing it my little goldfish.

No comment to go with the illustration?

What can he say other than he lifted it from a pro Palestinian blog, and so it has no valid status. It is just one persons POV that suits his so he provides it as proof positive

 

[proudveteran06]

No it is real and can be found if you google Camp David. 95% OF WHAT WAS INITIALLY DEMANDED AND ARAFAT REFUSED TO EVEN SIT DOWN AND TALK. HE JUST DEMANDED MORE AND MORE CONDITIONS BEFORE HE WOULD TALK. THEN HE WALKED OUT AND ASKED CLINTON IF HE WAS PROUD OF HIS HARDLINE STANCE.

Don't take my word for it read this

Camp David, 2000

The details were not disclosed formally, but according to media reports Barak's offer included:
•Israeli redeployment from 95% of the West Bank and 100% of the Gaza Strip
•The creation of a Palestinian state in the areas of Israeli withdrawal
•The removal of isolated settlements and transfer of the land to Palestinian control
•Other Israeli land exchanged for West Bank settlements remaining under Israeli control
•Palestinian control over East Jerusalem, including most of the Old City
•"Religious Sovereignty" over the Temple Mount, replacing Israeli sovereignty in effect since 1967

In return Arafat had to declare the "end of conflict" and agree that no further claims on Israel could be made in the future. Despite the considerable concessions by Israel, Arafat chose not to negotiate, not to make a counter-offer but to just walk out. This was typical of the Palestinian leader's style: offer nothing, just say no and wait for more concessions. In fact, the Palestinian negotiating team did make concessions during the negotiating process, but Arafat himself never agreed.

He won't google it . Consider the source.

That is why I posted the deal offered by Israel, and Arafat refused to even discuss

Doubt he will read it . . .

 

[ForeverYoung436]

75% of the Old City and the Temple Mount? That's like offering the White House and the Capitol to the Russians. The Palestinians will never get that deal again.

 

[Phoenall]

No comment to go with the illustration?

Sure, where is that 95%?

Or was that just a lie?

You do the math and see what you come up with

61% under P.A. control

14% under Israeli control but to be handed back

That is 74% of the west bank that is not under Palestinian sovereignty as of May 2000, add that to the red areas on your map and you see 95%

Or did you forget about the red areas because they weren't represented in the pie chart

 

[aris2chat]

The Jewish Press » » Abbas Suggests Obama Promised ?67 Lines, E. Jerusalem Capital



U.S. President Barack Obama met in the Oval Office with Mahmoud Abbas, the acting leader of the Palestinian Authority late morning on Monday, March 17.

Obama spoke first, welcoming Abbas to his office. As noted elsewhere in The Jewish Press, Obama made several absurd comments, such as commending Abbas as someone “who has consistently renounced violence, has consistently sought a diplomatic and peaceful solution that allows for two states, side by side, in peace and security; a state that allows for the dignity and sovereignty of the Palestinian people and a state that allows for Israelis to feel secure and at peace with their neighbors.”

But Abbas also played with Obama’s words.

Obama uttered his standard “everybody understands the outlines of what a peace deal would look like, involving a territorial compromise on both sides based on ’67 lines with mutually agreed upon swaps,” and never said a word about Jerusalem.

In Abbas’s responsive remarks, he transformed what Obama said into something quite different. Abbas made it sound as though Obama said that there would be a Palestinian State with the “’67 lines” (actually, the 1949 Armistice Lines) as its western border, and with eastern Jerusalem as its capital.



I have a question; What exactly are the differences between the 1949 Borders that the Arabs rejected and the 67 Borders that were also rejected THANKS !

'67 left sinai and the WB under Israels control. '49 left Gaza in Egypt's hands and the WB in Jordanian control and Jerusalem was split.

 

[proudveteran06]

The Jewish Press » » Abbas Suggests Obama Promised ?67 Lines, E. Jerusalem Capital



U.S. President Barack Obama met in the Oval Office with Mahmoud Abbas, the acting leader of the Palestinian Authority late morning on Monday, March 17.

Obama spoke first, welcoming Abbas to his office. As noted elsewhere in The Jewish Press, Obama made several absurd comments, such as commending Abbas as someone “who has consistently renounced violence, has consistently sought a diplomatic and peaceful solution that allows for two states, side by side, in peace and security; a state that allows for the dignity and sovereignty of the Palestinian people and a state that allows for Israelis to feel secure and at peace with their neighbors.”

But Abbas also played with Obama’s words.

Obama uttered his standard “everybody understands the outlines of what a peace deal would look like, involving a territorial compromise on both sides based on ’67 lines with mutually agreed upon swaps,” and never said a word about Jerusalem.

In Abbas’s responsive remarks, he transformed what Obama said into something quite different. Abbas made it sound as though Obama said that there would be a Palestinian State with the “’67 lines” (actually, the 1949 Armistice Lines) as its western border, and with eastern Jerusalem as its capital.



I have a question; What exactly are the differences between the 1949 Borders that the Arabs rejected and the 67 Borders that were also rejected THANKS !

'67 left sinai and the WB under Israels control. '49 left Gaza in Egypt's hands and the WB in Jordanian control and Jerusalem was split.

According to the Palestinian the great " concession" the Palestinians are making is that they are NOT demanding Israel go back to the '49 Borders vs. the " 67 Borders " ( Which were never recognized ) What is he talking about ? THANKS !!?

 

[aris2chat]

Peace is an option. All the Pallihoovians have to do is play by the rules.

the rules israel makes. do you not see how that isn't a negotiation at all?

would you settle for only the scraps someone else decided you could have?

You THINK the so called Palestinians could find another place to live and breed besides Israel, I mean, HALF that land is unoccupied!

smack dab in the middle of the Nefud?

Israel offered to take back 100,000 refugees if the arab states absorbed the rest, but that idea didn't fly. Israel has absorbed through family reunification programs close to half that amount already over the decades.

 

[aris2chat]

What is your mental problem. Israel GAVE Arafat 95% of what they wanted YEARS ago, and was turned down!

The PA did not want land. The land is only and excuse to do what they really want. That is to kill all Israelis and take Israel off the map

i see that posted a lot, but it's so much crap. first, fairly sure that "95%" is not a real number but is so much made up propaganda.

second, it assumes that every desire is equally weighted. we all know that just isn't true.

finally, you may claim that the PA doesn't want land and only wants to kill, but if that's true they aren't nearly as good at is as the IDF.

No it is real and can be found if you google Camp David. 95% OF WHAT WAS INITIALLY DEMANDED AND ARAFAT REFUSED TO EVEN SIT DOWN AND TALK. HE JUST DEMANDED MORE AND MORE CONDITIONS BEFORE HE WOULD TALK. THEN HE WALKED OUT AND ASKED CLINTON IF HE WAS PROUD OF HIS HARDLINE STANCE.

Don't take my word for it read this

Camp David, 2000

The details were not disclosed formally, but according to media reports Barak's offer included:
•Israeli redeployment from 95% of the West Bank and 100% of the Gaza Strip
•The creation of a Palestinian state in the areas of Israeli withdrawal
•The removal of isolated settlements and transfer of the land to Palestinian control
•Other Israeli land exchanged for West Bank settlements remaining under Israeli control
•Palestinian control over East Jerusalem, including most of the Old City
•"Religious Sovereignty" over the Temple Mount, replacing Israeli sovereignty in effect since 1967

In return Arafat had to declare the "end of conflict" and agree that no further claims on Israel could be made in the future. Despite the considerable concessions by Israel, Arafat chose not to negotiate, not to make a counter-offer but to just walk out. This was typical of the Palestinian leader's style: offer nothing, just say no and wait for more concessions. In fact, the Palestinian negotiating team did make concessions during the negotiating process, but Arafat himself never agreed.

Sharon's scheduled visit to the mount was approved by Rajub and Arafat well in advance. Sharon wanted to meet and shake Arafat's hand. Instead Arafat had a truck load of rocks delivered to the mount and bused protesters to the mount.
It was an excuse not to the sign a deal.

 

[proudveteran06]

the rules israel makes. do you not see how that isn't a negotiation at all?

would you settle for only the scraps someone else decided you could have?

You THINK the so called Palestinians could find another place to live and breed besides Israel, I mean, HALF that land is unoccupied!

smack dab in the middle of the Nefud?

Israel offered to take back 100,000 refugees if the arab states absorbed the rest, but that idea didn't fly. Israel has absorbed through family reunification programs close to half that amount already over the decades.

Ask the original poster what the Palestinians brought to the " negotiating table" and just like the Tinman there will be no response. !

 

[P F Tinmore]

No comment to go with the illustration?

Sure, where is that 95%?

Or was that just a lie?

You do the math and see what you come up with

61% under P.A. control

14% under Israeli control but to be handed back

That is 74% of the west bank that is not under Palestinian sovereignty as of May 2000, add that to the red areas on your map and you see 95%

Or did you forget about the red areas because they weren't represented in the pie chart

Here is a map from a different source.

 

[toastman]

You THINK the so called Palestinians could find another place to live and breed besides Israel, I mean, HALF that land is unoccupied!

smack dab in the middle of the Nefud?

Israel offered to take back 100,000 refugees if the arab states absorbed the rest, but that idea didn't fly. Israel has absorbed through family reunification programs close to half that amount already over the decades.

Ask the original poster what the Palestinians brought to the " negotiating table" and just like the Tinman there will be no response. !

They brought nothing but demands

 

[P F Tinmore]

You THINK the so called Palestinians could find another place to live and breed besides Israel, I mean, HALF that land is unoccupied!

smack dab in the middle of the Nefud?

Israel offered to take back 100,000 refugees if the arab states absorbed the rest, but that idea didn't fly. Israel has absorbed through family reunification programs close to half that amount already over the decades.

Ask the original poster what the Palestinians brought to the " negotiating table" and just like the Tinman there will be no response. !

The Palestinians are offering to give Israel 78% of Palestine.

And the pigs want more.