Abbas suggests Obama promised 67 lines - E. Jerusalem

[Roudy]

monte, you don't seem to get the fact that the Palestinian Christians are just being used as tools for the Muslims until they get all of Palestine. Then they will be massacred.

In fact the Christians are in a prison camp run by Muslim savages. They don't dare object because they know what their barbaric jailers are capable of.

 

[montelatici]

You're so full of it. Arab armies NEVER fought to create a Palestine, they planned to destroy the Jewish state and kill all the Jews, and then divide the spoils between themselves. Even the so called Palestinians weren't expecting a Palestine out of any of the wars. Arabs would have laughed at them and then killed them all. So you see, this conflict has never been about "stolen land" it's simply about Arab Islamic intolerance, hatred, and violence towards the non Muslim.

The Arab "armies" were fighting a European neo-colonization project, not "Jews". Get it straight, the Europeans could have been Protestants and they would have fought against them, just as they fought against the Crusaders.

So you conceded that the Arabs weren't fighting for this mythical Palestine which they themselves did not believe existed. One small step for a moron and false propagandist.

The Arabs really had no say in how the land that was never theirs to begin with was to be divided. It had been Ottoman land for 600 years. Instead they decided to attack the Jews over and over and over. The Arabs had no problems or objections whatsoever with all the Muslim shithole countries that were carved out of the Ottoman Empire. Apparently only the Non Muslim Jewish country established in the ancient ancestral homeland of the Jews seemed to upset them.

Again, Muslim hatred, intolerance and violence towards the non Muslim, that is what this conflict is really about. Proof of that is when Jordan and Egypt controlled West Bank and Gaza for 20 years from 1948 to 1967 not a peep out of anybody about this phony baloney Palestine. As long as the evil Jews weren't in control and it was in Muslim hands, that is what mattered to them.

No, this is about European neo-colonization and the dispossession of the indigenous people. Can't get simpler than that.

 

[montelatici]

Lol where so you get your lies from??
Why did you put the word 'armies' in quotations?

And yes, the Europeans were Jews, with the exception os a small percentage of them maybe. Also, it wasn't just the recent European immigrants that fought in the war, it was the Jewish residents as well.

What lie? The settlers were European and they wrestled control of land from the indigenous Christians and Muslims. That's just a fact. If you mean by Jewish residents the indigenous Jewish Arabs, as they were called, they were a tiny minority.

Armies is in quotes because outside of the Jordanian Arab Legion, they weren't disciplined military organizations.

Are you purposefully not including the approximately one million Middle eastern Jews who had to flee the Muslim savages, who kept screaming at them "go to the homeland that you love so much"? How about their rights, properties, livelihood, assets, etc. ha ha ha

We are talking 1947, there was no large scale immigration from said countries until after the war.

 

[montelatici]

How do you know I have no interest in what is happening to Christians or any other group elsewhere? This thread is about Israel/Palestine, that's what is being discussed. Why do you insist on bringing up issues that have nothing to do with the I/P situation. India was an exchange of land between Hindus and Muslims both indigenous to the area, so it bears no similarity to the I/P situation.

As far as Syria, I am in fact discussing the issue as we speak on another forum. The Christians of Syria are fully behind the Government and are in the Syrian Army fighting the rebels. Not sure about your claim of forced conversion in Syria, I haven't seen anything to that effect, and I doubt the Government would force conversions. Maybe the Al Quaeda rebel factions are doing that, but again, I haven't seen anything in the press. And, it has nothing to do with the I/P situation which is what this thread is about.

How do we know you don't care about the rights of Christians being killed by Muslim savages? Because you're a troll sock puppet who spends all his time defending Palestinians savagery, that's how.

You aren't fooling anybody, Mohomod. Latici.

Who is defending Palestinian "savagery"? I am just criticizing Israeli savagery.

 

[Sally]

The Arab "armies" were fighting a European neo-colonization project, not "Jews". Get it straight, the Europeans could have been Protestants and they would have fought against them, just as they fought against the Crusaders.

So you conceded that the Arabs weren't fighting for this mythical Palestine which they themselves did not believe existed. One small step for a moron and false propagandist.

The Arabs really had no say in how the land that was never theirs to begin with was to be divided. It had been Ottoman land for 600 years. Instead they decided to attack the Jews over and over and over. The Arabs had no problems or objections whatsoever with all the Muslim shithole countries that were carved out of the Ottoman Empire. Apparently only the Non Muslim Jewish country established in the ancient ancestral homeland of the Jews seemed to upset them.

Again, Muslim hatred, intolerance and violence towards the non Muslim, that is what this conflict is really about. Proof of that is when Jordan and Egypt controlled West Bank and Gaza for 20 years from 1948 to 1967 not a peep out of anybody about this phony baloney Palestine. As long as the evil Jews weren't in control and it was in Muslim hands, that is what mattered to them.

No, this is about European neo-colonization and the dispossession of the indigenous people. Can't get simpler than that.

What Indigenous People??? In years to come, all those Muslims who are flooding into Europe for jobs will start claiming they were the Indigenous People!!! Actually one of the biggest colonizers in the world were the Muslims when they left the Saudi Peninsula and started taking over other countries in the name of Islam.

 

[Roudy]

The Arab "armies" were fighting a European neo-colonization project, not "Jews". Get it straight, the Europeans could have been Protestants and they would have fought against them, just as they fought against the Crusaders.

So you conceded that the Arabs weren't fighting for this mythical Palestine which they themselves did not believe existed. One small step for a moron and false propagandist.

The Arabs really had no say in how the land that was never theirs to begin with was to be divided. It had been Ottoman land for 600 years. Instead they decided to attack the Jews over and over and over. The Arabs had no problems or objections whatsoever with all the Muslim shithole countries that were carved out of the Ottoman Empire. Apparently only the Non Muslim Jewish country established in the ancient ancestral homeland of the Jews seemed to upset them.

Again, Muslim hatred, intolerance and violence towards the non Muslim, that is what this conflict is really about. Proof of that is when Jordan and Egypt controlled West Bank and Gaza for 20 years from 1948 to 1967 not a peep out of anybody about this phony baloney Palestine. As long as the evil Jews weren't in control and it was in Muslim hands, that is what mattered to them.

No, this is about European neo-colonization and the dispossession of the indigenous people. Can't get simpler than that.

Not really. It is about the collapse of the Ottoman Empire and the Arabs not liking the one non Muslim entity. In Jordan aka "Aran Palestine" they brought in a relative of the Saudi King to rule. All the other Arab shitholes that were formed there were no issues. Only the Jewish one. Not hard to figure out that this is about the intolerance of the backwards medieval savages.

 

[aris2chat]

The Arab "armies" were fighting a European neo-colonization project, not "Jews". Get it straight, the Europeans could have been Protestants and they would have fought against them, just as they fought against the Crusaders.

So you conceded that the Arabs weren't fighting for this mythical Palestine which they themselves did not believe existed. One small step for a moron and false propagandist.

The Arabs really had no say in how the land that was never theirs to begin with was to be divided. It had been Ottoman land for 600 years. Instead they decided to attack the Jews over and over and over. The Arabs had no problems or objections whatsoever with all the Muslim shithole countries that were carved out of the Ottoman Empire. Apparently only the Non Muslim Jewish country established in the ancient ancestral homeland of the Jews seemed to upset them.

Again, Muslim hatred, intolerance and violence towards the non Muslim, that is what this conflict is really about. Proof of that is when Jordan and Egypt controlled West Bank and Gaza for 20 years from 1948 to 1967 not a peep out of anybody about this phony baloney Palestine. As long as the evil Jews weren't in control and it was in Muslim hands, that is what mattered to them.

No, this is about European neo-colonization and the dispossession of the indigenous people. Can't get simpler than that.

It is about a land underpopulated, under developed and cost more to run that it brought in. It is about giving a people with a rich religious and historical connection of the land back their identity and a haven they had been welcomed to by Ottoman and arab after persecution and near extermination. It was about bringing a stagnant region of petty tribes into the modern world. It was about the best division of the failed Ottoman empire and the creation of viable states.

 

[toastman]

Are you being serious? "Ties to the land of Judea through DNA links" If DNA links meant that people could just settle land their ancestors had lived on 2000 years prior, Greeks could reclaim Byzantium or Native Americans could claim land in China. Sheesh, what a concept.

No Arab signed over Palestine to the Jews, and, no Palestinian agreed to give up his home and land to European settlers, it was taken from them. That is just propaganda.

More Palestinians lies. It wasn't taken from them.
The Jews declared independence legally after cessation of the mandate.
Show me documents that show that their declaration of independence was illegal.

What did the mandate have to do with anything?

Palestine was the mandate and the mandate was Palestine.

But what I said was that Israel declared independence after cessation of the British mandate

 

[Roudy]

So you conceded that the Arabs weren't fighting for this mythical Palestine which they themselves did not believe existed. One small step for a moron and false propagandist.

The Arabs really had no say in how the land that was never theirs to begin with was to be divided. It had been Ottoman land for 600 years. Instead they decided to attack the Jews over and over and over. The Arabs had no problems or objections whatsoever with all the Muslim shithole countries that were carved out of the Ottoman Empire. Apparently only the Non Muslim Jewish country established in the ancient ancestral homeland of the Jews seemed to upset them.

Again, Muslim hatred, intolerance and violence towards the non Muslim, that is what this conflict is really about. Proof of that is when Jordan and Egypt controlled West Bank and Gaza for 20 years from 1948 to 1967 not a peep out of anybody about this phony baloney Palestine. As long as the evil Jews weren't in control and it was in Muslim hands, that is what mattered to them.

No, this is about European neo-colonization and the dispossession of the indigenous people. Can't get simpler than that.

What Indigenous People??? In years to come, all those Muslims who are flooding into Europe for jobs will start claiming they were the Indigenous People!!! Actually one of the biggest colonizers in the world were the Muslims when they left the Saudi Peninsula and started taking over other countries in the name of Islam.

Exactly. All the lands now considered "Muslim" were gained through invasion, aggression, violence, rape, looting, and pillaging by Arabs. Talk about "colonization". Islam if anything is Arab Imperialism. Look at all the countries that now speak Arabic and wave the flag and peaceful sword of Islam. Ha ha ha.

 

[Roudy]

How do you know I have no interest in what is happening to Christians or any other group elsewhere? This thread is about Israel/Palestine, that's what is being discussed. Why do you insist on bringing up issues that have nothing to do with the I/P situation. India was an exchange of land between Hindus and Muslims both indigenous to the area, so it bears no similarity to the I/P situation.

As far as Syria, I am in fact discussing the issue as we speak on another forum. The Christians of Syria are fully behind the Government and are in the Syrian Army fighting the rebels. Not sure about your claim of forced conversion in Syria, I haven't seen anything to that effect, and I doubt the Government would force conversions. Maybe the Al Quaeda rebel factions are doing that, but again, I haven't seen anything in the press. And, it has nothing to do with the I/P situation which is what this thread is about.

How do we know you don't care about the rights of Christians being killed by Muslim savages? Because you're a troll sock puppet who spends all his time defending Palestinians savagery, that's how.

You aren't fooling anybody, Mohomod. Latici.

Who is defending Palestinian "savagery"? I am just criticizing Israeli savagery.

And not a peep about Palestinian savagery. Ñor about Muslim barbarism throughout the world, Mohommod. You are too transparent. Give it up. Or don't , who gives. We'll just keep laughing at your stupid propaganda and lies. How's that.

 

[montelatici]

So you conceded that the Arabs weren't fighting for this mythical Palestine which they themselves did not believe existed. One small step for a moron and false propagandist.

The Arabs really had no say in how the land that was never theirs to begin with was to be divided. It had been Ottoman land for 600 years. Instead they decided to attack the Jews over and over and over. The Arabs had no problems or objections whatsoever with all the Muslim shithole countries that were carved out of the Ottoman Empire. Apparently only the Non Muslim Jewish country established in the ancient ancestral homeland of the Jews seemed to upset them.

Again, Muslim hatred, intolerance and violence towards the non Muslim, that is what this conflict is really about. Proof of that is when Jordan and Egypt controlled West Bank and Gaza for 20 years from 1948 to 1967 not a peep out of anybody about this phony baloney Palestine. As long as the evil Jews weren't in control and it was in Muslim hands, that is what mattered to them.

No, this is about European neo-colonization and the dispossession of the indigenous people. Can't get simpler than that.

It is about a land underpopulated, under developed and cost more to run that it brought in. It is about giving a people with a rich religious and historical connection of the land back their identity and a haven they had been welcomed to by Ottoman and arab after persecution and near extermination. It was about bringing a stagnant region of petty tribes into the modern world. It was about the best division of the failed Ottoman empire and the creation of viable states.

Well, that's the propaganda. The fact is between 500,000 and 750,000 Christians and Muslims lost their homes and their land and their offspring are in refugee camps.

 

[Phoenall]

The Arab "armies" were fighting a European neo-colonization project, not "Jews". Get it straight, the Europeans could have been Protestants and they would have fought against them, just as they fought against the Crusaders.

No they were all Jews with ties to the land of Judea through DNA links. The arab armies were doing what they always do and exercising their ethnic cleansing to keep the non muslims as downtrodden as possible. Just as many Jews that lived in the M.E. migrated to Israel as did from Europe, and then after 1948 many more Jews from the M.E were evicted from their homes and made their way to Israel. The arabs reneged on the treaties they had signed giving the land of Palestine to the Jews after the grand mufti incited rebellion and hostilities across Palestine.

Are you being serious? "Ties to the land of Judea through DNA links" If DNA links meant that people could just settle land their ancestors had lived on 2000 years prior, Greeks could reclaim Byzantium or Native Americans could claim land in China. Sheesh, what a concept.

No Arab signed over Palestine to the Jews, and, no Palestinian agreed to give up his home and land to European settlers, it was taken from them. That is just propaganda.

Could that be because the arabs had no land in Palestine to begin with, the demographics show that very little land was owned by arabs. Don't forget the Palestinians are trying to claim land they never held title to or even lived on as they arrived after the Jewish farms started production.

Yes what a concept that a simple blood test could determine a person claims to be indigenous and able to trace their ownership of the land back to roman times as false. Or that the same blood test could show another person has direct links to the land due to a faulty Gene present in 99% of the people who lived their from before Christ till the present day, yet is present in less than 1% of the Palestinian muslims.

The owners of the land could dispose of it how they saw fit and did not need the itinerant muslim workers permission to do so, this would be like saying you cant dispose of your land because a traveller wants to live there free of charge.

You really need to get your head out of the Koran and start reading modern history books that tell the truth.

 

[MrMax]

No, this is about European neo-colonization and the dispossession of the indigenous people. Can't get simpler than that.

It is about a land underpopulated, under developed and cost more to run that it brought in. It is about giving a people with a rich religious and historical connection of the land back their identity and a haven they had been welcomed to by Ottoman and arab after persecution and near extermination. It was about bringing a stagnant region of petty tribes into the modern world. It was about the best division of the failed Ottoman empire and the creation of viable states.

Well, that's the propaganda. The fact is between 500,000 and 750,000 Christians and Muslims lost their homes and their land and their offspring are in refugee camps.

Then maybe their offspring should re-think their strategy?

 

[montelatici]

How do we know you don't care about the rights of Christians being killed by Muslim savages? Because you're a troll sock puppet who spends all his time defending Palestinians savagery, that's how.

You aren't fooling anybody, Mohomod. Latici.

Who is defending Palestinian "savagery"? I am just criticizing Israeli savagery.

And not a peep about Palestinian savagery. Ñor about Muslim barbarism throughout the world, Mohommod. You are too transparent. Give it up. Or don't , who gives. We'll just keep laughing at your stupid propaganda and lies. How's that.

Not propaganda, just facts. The use of facts to make a point is something that people like you have difficulty with. Your strategy is name calling and spouting bullshit.

But in terms of "savagery" Palestinian civilians killed by the IDF over the past 10 years run in the thousands while Israeli civilians killed run in the 100s. While the death of a Christian, Muslim or Jewish civilian is a sad thing, it is clear to see which side is the most savage.

 

[Phoenall]

So, you admit that several hundred thousand Christians and Muslims of Palestine were dispossessed by European Jews, but since Pakistan was split off from India, it's ok that these Christians and Muslims were dispossessed. While I don't get your logic, I guess you can maintain that position, however absurd the connection is.

Then what about the several hundred thousands of Christians and Jews dispossessed of their land and property when Syria, Iraq, Lebanon and trans Jordan were created out of the mandate of Palestine. How the Palestinians in those nations ethnically cleansed the land of Christians and Jews against the charter of the mandate that you so blithely quote. How their right to free determination was not just violated but removed all together in the name of islam. How they escaped to what is now Israel and fought for the right to exist against the massed armies of the arab league and Palestine. Then evicted the muslims that had fought against them as dictated by the UN charter and the GENEVA CONVENTIONS.

Not one muslim or Christian was dispossessed of anything by Israel, they dispossessed themselves by exercising their free determination to take part in a genocide of the Jews that they failed to carry out.

 

[montelatici]

How do we know you don't care about the rights of Christians being killed by Muslim savages? Because you're a troll sock puppet who spends all his time defending Palestinians savagery, that's how.

You aren't fooling anybody, Mohomod. Latici.

Who is defending Palestinian "savagery"? I am just criticizing Israeli savagery.

And not a peep about Palestinian savagery. Ñor about Muslim barbarism throughout the world, Mohommod. You are too transparent. Give it up. Or don't , who gives. We'll just keep laughing at your stupid propaganda and lies. How's that.

Is this section about Muslims in the world or about the I/P conflict. I am extremely critical Muslims when they cause havoc on the appropriate forum. I just don't understand what Muslim activities in Sudan, for example, have to do with Palestine/Israel.

 

[aris2chat]

No, this is about European neo-colonization and the dispossession of the indigenous people. Can't get simpler than that.

It is about a land underpopulated, under developed and cost more to run that it brought in. It is about giving a people with a rich religious and historical connection of the land back their identity and a haven they had been welcomed to by Ottoman and arab after persecution and near extermination. It was about bringing a stagnant region of petty tribes into the modern world. It was about the best division of the failed Ottoman empire and the creation of viable states.

Well, that's the propaganda. The fact is between 500,000 and 750,000 Christians and Muslims lost their homes and their land and their offspring are in refugee camps.

They left because their arab brothers told them to, not because jews or Israel made them leave.
Those same brethren prevented them from returning after the ceasefire and kept them in refugee camps that were eventually supported by the UN instead of absorbing the population they created.
Israel had reunification programs for palestinians. They also absorbed the jews from arab lands forced to leave with what little they could carry, more people than the palestinians that had left before or during the war. They also absorbed jews from around the world, and still they offered to take in more than 100,000 of the palestinians that had left if the arab states would settle the rest.
Oslo shifted responsibility of the refugees to the PA who also kept them in camps instead of integrating them back into the general population that would make up the future state.

 

[Sally]

Who is defending Palestinian "savagery"? I am just criticizing Israeli savagery.

And not a peep about Palestinian savagery. Ñor about Muslim barbarism throughout the world, Mohommod. You are too transparent. Give it up. Or don't , who gives. We'll just keep laughing at your stupid propaganda and lies. How's that.

Not propaganda, just facts. The use of facts to make a point is something that people like you have difficulty with. Your strategy is name calling and spouting bullshit.

But in terms of "savagery" Palestinian civilians killed by the IDF over the past 10 years run in the thousands while Israeli civilians killed run in the 100s. While the death of a Christian, Muslim or Jewish civilian is a sad thing, it is clear to see which side is the most savage.

Actually the Israelis have shown an awful lot of restrain since they certainly could have killed many more "Palestinians." However, in Muslim countries, you will never see such restraint as the Israelis. They could care less who they kill. I can't see people such as the Russians and Chinese showing such restraint if the Muslims in their countries started up the way they have toward Israel. By the way, I wonder if we can see some legitimate facts from you that would appear on such sites as the Encyclopedia Britanica or from a history department at a leading U.S. university.

 

[montelatici]

No they were all Jews with ties to the land of Judea through DNA links. The arab armies were doing what they always do and exercising their ethnic cleansing to keep the non muslims as downtrodden as possible. Just as many Jews that lived in the M.E. migrated to Israel as did from Europe, and then after 1948 many more Jews from the M.E were evicted from their homes and made their way to Israel. The arabs reneged on the treaties they had signed giving the land of Palestine to the Jews after the grand mufti incited rebellion and hostilities across Palestine.

Are you being serious? "Ties to the land of Judea through DNA links" If DNA links meant that people could just settle land their ancestors had lived on 2000 years prior, Greeks could reclaim Byzantium or Native Americans could claim land in China. Sheesh, what a concept.

No Arab signed over Palestine to the Jews, and, no Palestinian agreed to give up his home and land to European settlers, it was taken from them. That is just propaganda.

Could that be because the arabs had no land in Palestine to begin with, the demographics show that very little land was owned by arabs. Don't forget the Palestinians are trying to claim land they never held title to or even lived on as they arrived after the Jewish farms started production.

Yes what a concept that a simple blood test could determine a person claims to be indigenous and able to trace their ownership of the land back to roman times as false. Or that the same blood test could show another person has direct links to the land due to a faulty Gene present in 99% of the people who lived their from before Christ till the present day, yet is present in less than 1% of the Palestinian muslims.

The owners of the land could dispose of it how they saw fit and did not need the itinerant muslim workers permission to do so, this would be like saying you cant dispose of your land because a traveller wants to live there free of charge.

You really need to get your head out of the Koran and start reading modern history books that tell the truth.

So, your contention is that the Muslims and Christians of Palestine owned no land so it was ok to ethnically cleanse them. Interesting concept.

 

[Phoenall]

How do you know I have no interest in what is happening to Christians or any other group elsewhere? This thread is about Israel/Palestine, that's what is being discussed. Why do you insist on bringing up issues that have nothing to do with the I/P situation. India was an exchange of land between Hindus and Muslims both indigenous to the area, so it bears no similarity to the I/P situation.

As far as Syria, I am in fact discussing the issue as we speak on another forum. The Christians of Syria are fully behind the Government and are in the Syrian Army fighting the rebels. Not sure about your claim of forced conversion in Syria, I haven't seen anything to that effect, and I doubt the Government would force conversions. Maybe the Al Quaeda rebel factions are doing that, but again, I haven't seen anything in the press. And, it has nothing to do with the I/P situation which is what this thread is about.

But they have everything to do with the situation as it was not an exchange of land but an aggressive colonisation of land by muslims who resorted to violent means of stealing land they had no title to. They murdered 20 million Hindu's and Sikhs to force Britain to hand over the land. The muslims came from near and far to colonise the land and to breed like vermin.

It is you that constantly brings in of topic areas of debate like the Christian army general to show that Palestinians are not ethnically cleansing the land of Christians.