Abbas suggests Obama promised 67 lines - E. Jerusalem

[montelatici]

And not a peep about Palestinian savagery. Ñor about Muslim barbarism throughout the world, Mohommod. You are too transparent. Give it up. Or don't , who gives. We'll just keep laughing at your stupid propaganda and lies. How's that.

Not propaganda, just facts. The use of facts to make a point is something that people like you have difficulty with. Your strategy is name calling and spouting bullshit.

But in terms of "savagery" Palestinian civilians killed by the IDF over the past 10 years run in the thousands while Israeli civilians killed run in the 100s. While the death of a Christian, Muslim or Jewish civilian is a sad thing, it is clear to see which side is the most savage.

The fact that the IslamoNazi savages didn't kill enough Jews doesn't make them right. Doh!

But the fact that Jews killed a greater number of Christians and Muslims makes them right?

 

[proudveteran06]

Arabs should just realize that they lost the war they started and move on.

Where to?

Realize Israel is not going back to the 67 Lines they rejected in the first place or recognize " Right of Return" which will eventually annex Israel to Palestine . Please tell us what the Palestinians have done to " negotiate".

 

[MrMax]

Arabs should just realize that they lost the war they started and move on.

Where to?

There are tons of Arab countries that could easily absorb them, they can take their pick.

 

[Roudy]

Who is defending Palestinian "savagery"? I am just criticizing Israeli savagery.

And not a peep about Palestinian savagery. Ñor about Muslim barbarism throughout the world, Mohommod. You are too transparent. Give it up. Or don't , who gives. We'll just keep laughing at your stupid propaganda and lies. How's that.

Is this section about Muslims in the world or about the I/P conflict. I am extremely critical Muslims when they cause havoc on the appropriate forum. I just don't understand what Muslim activities in Sudan, for example, have to do with Palestine/Israel.

Muslim savagery isn't limited to any general geographical area. The same savagery, barbarism, intolerance, medieval mentality, chauvinism, oppression, persecution, terrorism, inability to coexist, etc. is happening all over the world including in Israel and Palestine. It is a worldwide phenomenon and Israel is just one of the hotspots and on the front lines of dealing with Islamic barbarism. Got it? Get it? LOL

 

[Roudy]

islamonazi propaganda

Ha ha. He spurs off IslamoNAzi propaganda 24/7 and complains about it when he gets the truth thrown back in his face. Why are they always such whiners?

What is the propaganda. Are you claiming that no Christians and Muslims living in Palestine before 1947 lost their land and homes?

It wasn't "their" land, idiot.

 

[Roudy]

Not propaganda, just facts. The use of facts to make a point is something that people like you have difficulty with. Your strategy is name calling and spouting bullshit.

But in terms of "savagery" Palestinian civilians killed by the IDF over the past 10 years run in the thousands while Israeli civilians killed run in the 100s. While the death of a Christian, Muslim or Jewish civilian is a sad thing, it is clear to see which side is the most savage.

The fact that the IslamoNazi savages didn't kill enough Jews doesn't make them right. Doh!

But the fact that Jews killed a greater number of Christians and Muslims makes them right?

Just as the Americans killed more Nazis. By the way you again keep lumping Christians into a conflict instigated by Muslims of which Christians are the victims. How about you put up some data or shut up with the garbage propaganda about Jews killing Christians. You are truly pathetic and desperate.

 

[Roudy]

I'm trying to figure out of Mohommod Latici is Sherri #1 or Sherri #3. LOL

 

[montelatici]

And not a peep about Palestinian savagery. Ñor about Muslim barbarism throughout the world, Mohommod. You are too transparent. Give it up. Or don't , who gives. We'll just keep laughing at your stupid propaganda and lies. How's that.

Is this section about Muslims in the world or about the I/P conflict. I am extremely critical Muslims when they cause havoc on the appropriate forum. I just don't understand what Muslim activities in Sudan, for example, have to do with Palestine/Israel.

Muslim savagery isn't limited to any general geographical area. The same savagery, barbarism, intolerance, medieval mentality, chauvinism, oppression, persecution, terrorism, inability to coexist, etc. is happening all over the world including in Israel and Palestine. It is a worldwide phenomenon and Israel is just one of the hotspots and on the front lines of dealing with Islamic barbarism. Got it? Get it? LOL

Muslims don't have a monopoly on savagery. I guess the Muslims should hate Christians as much as you hate Muslims given what's going on in the Central African Republic.

"International peacekeepers have failed to prevent the ethnic cleansing of Muslim civilians in the western part of the Central African Republic, Amnesty International said in a report issued today.
To protect the country’s remaining Muslim communities, international peacekeeping forces must break the control of anti-balaka militias and station sufficient troops in towns where Muslims are threatened.
“Anti-balaka militias are carrying out violent attacks in an effort to ethnically cleanse Muslims in the Central African Republic,” said Joanne Mariner, senior crisis response adviser at Amnesty International.
“The result is a Muslim exodus of historic proportions.”

https://www.amnesty.org/en/news/cen...thnic-cleansing-sectarian-violence-2014-02-12

 

[Roudy]

Is this section about Muslims in the world or about the I/P conflict. I am extremely critical Muslims when they cause havoc on the appropriate forum. I just don't understand what Muslim activities in Sudan, for example, have to do with Palestine/Israel.

Muslim savagery isn't limited to any general geographical area. The same savagery, barbarism, intolerance, medieval mentality, chauvinism, oppression, persecution, terrorism, inability to coexist, etc. is happening all over the world including in Israel and Palestine. It is a worldwide phenomenon and Israel is just one of the hotspots and on the front lines of dealing with Islamic barbarism. Got it? Get it? LOL

Muslims don't have a monopoly on savagery. I guess the Muslims should hate Christians as much as you hate Muslims given what's going on in the Central African Republic.

"International peacekeepers have failed to prevent the ethnic cleansing of Muslim civilians in the western part of the Central African Republic, Amnesty International said in a report issued today.
To protect the country’s remaining Muslim communities, international peacekeeping forces must break the control of anti-balaka militias and station sufficient troops in towns where Muslims are threatened.
“Anti-balaka militias are carrying out violent attacks in an effort to ethnically cleanse Muslims in the Central African Republic,” said Joanne Mariner, senior crisis response adviser at Amnesty International.
“The result is a Muslim exodus of historic proportions.”

https://www.amnesty.org/en/news/cen...thnic-cleansing-sectarian-violence-2014-02-12

Meh, get over it. We are living in a world today where the words Muslim and Islam are synonymous with barbarism and terrorism.

You really are fulla baloney. 99% of the "ethnic cleansing" going on today are by Muslims on non Muslims. Look it up, oh Islam apologist and fighter for everything Islam and Palestinian. LOL

 

[Sally]

Is this section about Muslims in the world or about the I/P conflict. I am extremely critical Muslims when they cause havoc on the appropriate forum. I just don't understand what Muslim activities in Sudan, for example, have to do with Palestine/Israel.

Muslim savagery isn't limited to any general geographical area. The same savagery, barbarism, intolerance, medieval mentality, chauvinism, oppression, persecution, terrorism, inability to coexist, etc. is happening all over the world including in Israel and Palestine. It is a worldwide phenomenon and Israel is just one of the hotspots and on the front lines of dealing with Islamic barbarism. Got it? Get it? LOL

Muslims don't have a monopoly on savagery. I guess the Muslims should hate Christians as much as you hate Muslims given what's going on in the Central African Republic.

"International peacekeepers have failed to prevent the ethnic cleansing of Muslim civilians in the western part of the Central African Republic, Amnesty International said in a report issued today.
To protect the country’s remaining Muslim communities, international peacekeeping forces must break the control of anti-balaka militias and station sufficient troops in towns where Muslims are threatened.
“Anti-balaka militias are carrying out violent attacks in an effort to ethnically cleanse Muslims in the Central African Republic,” said Joanne Mariner, senior crisis response adviser at Amnesty International.
“The result is a Muslim exodus of historic proportions.”

https://www.amnesty.org/en/news/cen...thnic-cleansing-sectarian-violence-2014-02-12

You don't think that any Muslims killed Christians in the Central African Republic??? Meanwhile, how come you, supposedly a Roman Catholic, have overlooked the Boko Haram -- a group that has killed many Christians in Nigeria lately. Maybe it doesn't bother you to see the Christians have their throats slit there and people killed while praying in their churches. I guess it was too much trouble for you to find out what is happening to the Christians there. It was enough that they were murdered in the millions in the 70's, but now you have this crazy extremist group of Muslims picking up the mantle in killing them. Naturally the 2,000,000 plus Christians murdered in the Sudan wouldn't interest you at all.

montelatici is certainly a hoot. Here she is bringing up what is happening in Central Africa when Christians have been killed in Syria, Iraq, and many other Muslim countries. and there has not been a peep out of her..

 

[montelatici]

Boko Haram are in Nigeria, not in the CAF, and they are murderous scum. The point I am making is that your visceral hate for Muslims is a conditioned reflex brought about by constant viewing of anti-muslim propaganda. It is much like the hate Germans had for Jews after being conditioned to hate them through clever manipulation of the media or the hate Americans had for blacks. Sure, some white women may have been raped by Blacks, but the propaganda of the time made appear that every black man was a rapist.

There are bad people of all faiths, races and ethnicities

As I said, this section is for the I/P situation not who is killing who in India (Hindus have murdered many Christians), Africa etc. It is you that keep bringing what is going on outside of the subject of this section, so quit highjacking the thread. Stick to the subject.

 

[Sally]

Boko Haram are in Nigeria, not in the CAF, and they are murderous scum. The point I am making is that your visceral hate for Muslims is a conditioned reflex brought about by constant viewing of anti-muslim propaganda. It is much like the hate Germans had for Jews after being conditioned to hate them through clever manipulation of the media or the hate Americans had for blacks. Sure, some white women may have been raped by Blacks, but the propaganda of the time made appear that every black man was a rapist.

There are bad people of all faiths, races and ethnicities

As I said, this section is for the I/P situation not who is killing who in India (Hindus have murdered many Christians), Africa etc. It is you that keep bringing what is going on outside of the subject of this section, so quit highjacking the thread. Stick to the subject.

You're not fooling many of the viewers not matter how hard you try. You mentioned one country in Africa, but you sure did skip over the other countries where Muslim extremists are acting up. Nobody hates Muslims in general; the ones they dislike are the ones who kill people in the name of their religion and who force Islamic ways on non Muslims. Evidently you have no problem with Christian and Hindu girls being kidnapped, raped and forced into Islam. If you had been alive at the time, you would have had no problem with 3,000,000 people (mainly Hindus) killed in Bangladesh by the Pakistani Army. Thousands of women were raped during this time. Surely, even you, are aware of the hatred the Sunnis have for the Shia and vice versa, and each group has no problem in blowing each other up. The only reason you are on this forum is to demonize Israel when much worse is happening in the Middle East, Southeast Asia and Africa. Your silence tells a lot about you. You will find honest Muslims who admit that there is a big, big problem. As one Pakistani Muslim said in a Letter to the Editor of Dawn.com that even if the terrorists were a small percentage of Muslims, it would still be in the millioins.

 

[montelatici]

It is you that is not fooling anyone. You are attempting to hijack a thread. This thread is not about criticizing Muslims and their actions around the world. It is about the I/P situation. If you want to join a discussion about other Muslim issues, there are threads and discussion groups for it. If you would prefer that this discussion be shut down because there are posters that have a different opinion than you do about the I/P situation (the subject of the discussion) , then ask the moderators to shut it down.

 

[Sally]

It is you that is not fooling anyone. You are attempting to hijack a thread. This thread is not about criticizing Muslims and their actions around the world. It is about the I/P situation. If you want to join a discussion about other Muslim issues, there are threads and discussion groups for it. If you would prefer that this discussion be shut down because there are posters that have a different opinion than you do about the I/P situation (the subject of the discussion) , then ask the moderators to shut it down.

But the Israel/Palestine conflict is actually nothing when you compare the horrendous things that are happening in the rest of the Middle East, Africa and Southeast Asia where people are lying dead in the streets. How come you were so quick to bring up the Christians but you, yourself, couldn't find the time to find forums here to speak about what is happening to them in other countries. It appears that if the Jews are not involved, you really don't care what is happening even though atrocities are taking place all the time. One other thing, I hope you are getting time and a half for your effort in trying to demonize Israel.

 

[Hossfly]

It is you that is not fooling anyone. You are attempting to hijack a thread. This thread is not about criticizing Muslims and their actions around the world. It is about the I/P situation. If you want to join a discussion about other Muslim issues, there are threads and discussion groups for it. If you would prefer that this discussion be shut down because there are posters that have a different opinion than you do about the I/P situation (the subject of the discussion) , then ask the moderators to shut it down.

Re-calculate. Re-calculate.

 

[aris2chat]

Boko Haram are in Nigeria, not in the CAF, and they are murderous scum. The point I am making is that your visceral hate for Muslims is a conditioned reflex brought about by constant viewing of anti-muslim propaganda. It is much like the hate Germans had for Jews after being conditioned to hate them through clever manipulation of the media or the hate Americans had for blacks. Sure, some white women may have been raped by Blacks, but the propaganda of the time made appear that every black man was a rapist.

There are bad people of all faiths, races and ethnicities

As I said, this section is for the I/P situation not who is killing who in India (Hindus have murdered many Christians), Africa etc. It is you that keep bringing what is going on outside of the subject of this section, so quit highjacking the thread. Stick to the subject.

chad, camaroon and central africa. They don't stop at the border of nigeria

 

[montelatici]

It is you that is not fooling anyone. You are attempting to hijack a thread. This thread is not about criticizing Muslims and their actions around the world. It is about the I/P situation. If you want to join a discussion about other Muslim issues, there are threads and discussion groups for it. If you would prefer that this discussion be shut down because there are posters that have a different opinion than you do about the I/P situation (the subject of the discussion) , then ask the moderators to shut it down.

But the Israel/Palestine conflict is actually nothing when you compare the horrendous things that are happening in the rest of the Middle East, Africa and Southeast Asia where people are lying dead in the streets. How come you were so quick to bring up the Christians but you, yourself, couldn't find the time to find forums here to speak about what is happening to them in other countries. It appears that if the Jews are not involved, you really don't care what is happening even though atrocities are taking place all the time. One other thing, I hope you are getting time and a half for your effort in trying to demonize Israel.

If the I/P conflict is "actually nothing", perhaps this section/thread should be removed. I participate in other discussions so it would be fine if this section were removed.

 

[Sally]

It is you that is not fooling anyone. You are attempting to hijack a thread. This thread is not about criticizing Muslims and their actions around the world. It is about the I/P situation. If you want to join a discussion about other Muslim issues, there are threads and discussion groups for it. If you would prefer that this discussion be shut down because there are posters that have a different opinion than you do about the I/P situation (the subject of the discussion) , then ask the moderators to shut it down.

But the Israel/Palestine conflict is actually nothing when you compare the horrendous things that are happening in the rest of the Middle East, Africa and Southeast Asia where people are lying dead in the streets. How come you were so quick to bring up the Christians but you, yourself, couldn't find the time to find forums here to speak about what is happening to them in other countries. It appears that if the Jews are not involved, you really don't care what is happening even though atrocities are taking place all the time. One other thing, I hope you are getting time and a half for your effort in trying to demonize Israel.

If the I/P conflict is "actually nothing", perhaps this section/thread should be removed. I participate in other discussions so it would be fine if this section were removed.

Can you tell us on what other forums of the USMB you are participating where you are discussing what your friends are doing to others in many parts of the world? I think many of us would be interested in what you are saying.

 

[Phoenall]

What did the mandate have to do with anything?

Everything as it was the mandate that was responsible for the partitioning of the land into 5 nations, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, trans Jordan and Israel. all agreed by the arab leaders who acquired their pound of flesh. It was the arabs that reneged on the treaties they signed as part of the mandate and wanted all the land for themselves. The British should have cut of all supplies to the mandated countries and called in the LoN to assist in quelling the rebellious arab muslims. Flooding the mandate with troops prepared to shoot at the first sing of any insurrection, and arresting the leaders on charges of treason and being in breach of International Law.

You do realize that absolutely nothing you have written has a basis in fact.

If you read the source documents you may be able to better understand what all the disagreement is about. The Mandate is not a long document. The key sentence in the document is the following:

"Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and..."

So, first of all, the Mandate for Palestine has nothing to do with anything but Palestine, nothing to do with 5 nations. Secondly, it clearly states that yes, there was a desire to establish a Jewish "home" IN Palestine. Notice, it does not say state, country or anything of the like. Thirdly, the creation of a "Jewish Home" IN Palestine was not to " prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine"

So, can you understand why the Christians and Muslims might just be a little chagrined?

Read the source document here:

The Avalon Project : The Palestine Mandate

You don't even know what size Palestine was little boy do you, and that the original Palestinian mandate dealt with the whole of Palestine not just the little shit hole that is gaza and the west bank. The San Remo conference set the scene with these resolutions
Great Britain and France agreed to recognize the provisional independence of Syria and Mesopotamia, while claiming mandates for their administration. Palestine was composed of the Ottoman administrative districts of southern Syria. Under international law, premature recognition of its independence would be a gross affront to the government of the newly declared parent state. It could have been construed as a belligerent act of intervention without any League of Nations sanction
For France, the San Remo decision meant that most of its claims in Syria were internationally recognized and relations with Faysal were now subject to French military and economic considerations.
Recognizing that not all parts of the Middle East were ready for full independence, mandates were established for the government of three territories: Syria and Lebanon, Mesopotamia (Iraq) and Palestine. In each case, one of the Allied Powers was assigned to implement the mandate until the territories in question could "stand alone."


As history shows the Christians suffered brutality and atrocities at the hands of arab muslims for 1400 years

 

[Phoenall]

So, your contention is that the Muslims and Christians of Palestine owned no land so it was ok to ethnically cleanse them. Interesting concept.

Wrong again little boy the fact is the only people engaging in ethnic cleansing of Christians is the Palestinians as shown by the declining numbers right across the M.E.
This is why the Christians are flocking to Israel for safety, or fleeing to Christian countries away from the barbaric Palestinian scum. If you bother to read the mandate terms you will see that the British were tasked with evacuating all the muslims from the land to make way for the returning Jews. Those few muslims that owned land would recive compensation for the loss of their land and livelihood and have land given to them in their new nation. No person would be forced to leave and could stay as full citizens of the NEW ISRAEL. Now go back to 1948 when the combined might of the arab armies attempted to ethnically cleanse the Jews from the land by the simple matter of committing genocide on them. something the muslims are well known for around the world is their genocides.

I posted the Mandate link below. Nothing you have written has a basis in fact. The Mandate said nothing about evacuating Muslims, in fact, it said quite the opposite. Its said that the rights of non-Jews were not to be tread upon. You are just making up things. Heck, there are source documents that contradict everything you have written. Why do you even post this nonsense that can so easily be disproven?

"Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and

The Avalon Project : The Palestine Mandate

There were plans to evacuate the arab muslims from Palestine to a nation of their choice because they were not natives of the area as this shows.

FACT

The Jewish population increased by 470,000 between World War I and World War II, while the non-Jewish population rose by 588,000. 13 In fact, the permanent Arab population increased 120 percent between 1922 and 1947. 14

This rapid growth of the Arab population was a result of several factors. One was immigration from neighboring states—constituting 37 percent of the total immigration to pre-state Israel—by Arabs who wanted to take advantage of the higher standard of living the Jews had made possible. 15 The Arab population also grew because of the improved living conditions created by the Jews as they drained malarial swamps and brought improved sanitation and health care to the region. Thus, for example, the Muslim infant mortality rate fell from 201 per thousand in 1925 to 94 per thousand in 1945 and life expectancy rose from 37 years in 1926 to 49 in 1943. 16

The Arab population increased the most in cities where large Jewish populations had created new economic opportunities. From 1922–1947, the non-Jewish population increased 290 percent in Haifa, 131 percent in Jerusalem and 158 percent in Jaffa. The growth in Arab towns was more modest: 42 percent in Nablus, 78 percent in Jenin and 37 percent in Bethlehem. 17