Abbas suggests Obama promised 67 lines - E. Jerusalem

[Roudy]

It is interesting to watch posters on the wrong side of an issue, i.e. supporting the oppression of a people through overwhelmingly military power, patting each other on the back. I wonder if they feel the same way about how the Chinese treat the Tibetans or how the Turks treat the Kurds?

Isn't that what the Palestinians tried to do to the Jews in 1948 when the massed might of 5 arab armies invaded Israel and ended up getting the kicking of their lives.

Not true!

Arab armies fought Israeli troops in Palestine.

You're so full of it. Arab armies NEVER fought to create a Palestine, they planned to destroy the Jewish state and kill all the Jews, and then divide the spoils between themselves. Even the so called Palestinians weren't expecting a Palestine out of any of the wars. Arabs would have laughed at them and then killed them all. So you see, this conflict has never been about "stolen land" it's simply about Arab Islamic intolerance, hatred, and violence towards the non Muslim.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Isn't that what the Palestinians tried to do to the Jews in 1948 when the massed might of 5 arab armies invaded Israel and ended up getting the kicking of their lives.

Not true!

Arab armies fought Israeli troops in Palestine.

You're so full of it. Arab armies NEVER fought to create a Palestine, they planned to destroy the Jewish state and kill all the Jews, and then divide the spoils between themselves. Even the so called Palestinians weren't expecting a Palestine out of any of the wars. Arabs would have laughed at them and then killed them all. So you see, this conflict has never been about "stolen land" it's simply about Arab Islamic intolerance, hatred, and violence towards the non Muslim.

I didn't say that.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Isn't that what the Palestinians tried to do to the Jews in 1948 when the massed might of 5 arab armies invaded Israel and ended up getting the kicking of their lives.

Not true!

Arab armies fought Israeli troops in Palestine.

You're so full of it. Arab armies NEVER fought to create a Palestine, they planned to destroy the Jewish state and kill all the Jews, and then divide the spoils between themselves. Even the so called Palestinians weren't expecting a Palestine out of any of the wars. Arabs would have laughed at them and then killed them all. So you see, this conflict has never been about "stolen land" it's simply about Arab Islamic intolerance, hatred, and violence towards the non Muslim.

Tinmore is a useful, clueless tool for Islam.

 

[montelatici]

Isn't that what the Palestinians tried to do to the Jews in 1948 when the massed might of 5 arab armies invaded Israel and ended up getting the kicking of their lives.

Not true!

Arab armies fought Israeli troops in Palestine.

You're so full of it. Arab armies NEVER fought to create a Palestine, they planned to destroy the Jewish state and kill all the Jews, and then divide the spoils between themselves. Even the so called Palestinians weren't expecting a Palestine out of any of the wars. Arabs would have laughed at them and then killed them all. So you see, this conflict has never been about "stolen land" it's simply about Arab Islamic intolerance, hatred, and violence towards the non Muslim.

The Arab "armies" were fighting a European neo-colonization project, not "Jews". Get it straight, the Europeans could have been Protestants and they would have fought against them, just as they fought against the Crusaders.

 

[Phoenall]

Not true!

Arab armies fought Israeli troops in Palestine.

You're so full of it. Arab armies NEVER fought to create a Palestine, they planned to destroy the Jewish state and kill all the Jews, and then divide the spoils between themselves. Even the so called Palestinians weren't expecting a Palestine out of any of the wars. Arabs would have laughed at them and then killed them all. So you see, this conflict has never been about "stolen land" it's simply about Arab Islamic intolerance, hatred, and violence towards the non Muslim.

I didn't say that.

Israel was created under International law and accepted as a sovereign nation by the UN and the majority of its member states. You are trying to say that Israel did not have the right to declare independence and become a sovereign state because the arabs wanted all the land. So you fabricate many scenarios that have Israel seen as land thieves and colonists when the fact is they are rightfully living on land that was always theirs.

 

[Phoenall]

Not true!

Arab armies fought Israeli troops in Palestine.

You're so full of it. Arab armies NEVER fought to create a Palestine, they planned to destroy the Jewish state and kill all the Jews, and then divide the spoils between themselves. Even the so called Palestinians weren't expecting a Palestine out of any of the wars. Arabs would have laughed at them and then killed them all. So you see, this conflict has never been about "stolen land" it's simply about Arab Islamic intolerance, hatred, and violence towards the non Muslim.

The Arab "armies" were fighting a European neo-colonization project, not "Jews". Get it straight, the Europeans could have been Protestants and they would have fought against them, just as they fought against the Crusaders.

No they were all Jews with ties to the land of Judea through DNA links. The arab armies were doing what they always do and exercising their ethnic cleansing to keep the non muslims as downtrodden as possible. Just as many Jews that lived in the M.E. migrated to Israel as did from Europe, and then after 1948 many more Jews from the M.E were evicted from their homes and made their way to Israel. The arabs reneged on the treaties they had signed giving the land of Palestine to the Jews after the grand mufti incited rebellion and hostilities across Palestine.

 

[montelatici]

You're so full of it. Arab armies NEVER fought to create a Palestine, they planned to destroy the Jewish state and kill all the Jews, and then divide the spoils between themselves. Even the so called Palestinians weren't expecting a Palestine out of any of the wars. Arabs would have laughed at them and then killed them all. So you see, this conflict has never been about "stolen land" it's simply about Arab Islamic intolerance, hatred, and violence towards the non Muslim.

The Arab "armies" were fighting a European neo-colonization project, not "Jews". Get it straight, the Europeans could have been Protestants and they would have fought against them, just as they fought against the Crusaders.

No they were all Jews with ties to the land of Judea through DNA links. The arab armies were doing what they always do and exercising their ethnic cleansing to keep the non muslims as downtrodden as possible. Just as many Jews that lived in the M.E. migrated to Israel as did from Europe, and then after 1948 many more Jews from the M.E were evicted from their homes and made their way to Israel. The arabs reneged on the treaties they had signed giving the land of Palestine to the Jews after the grand mufti incited rebellion and hostilities across Palestine.

Are you being serious? "Ties to the land of Judea through DNA links" If DNA links meant that people could just settle land their ancestors had lived on 2000 years prior, Greeks could reclaim Byzantium or Native Americans could claim land in China. Sheesh, what a concept.

No Arab signed over Palestine to the Jews, and, no Palestinian agreed to give up his home and land to European settlers, it was taken from them. That is just propaganda.

 

[Sally]

The Arab "armies" were fighting a European neo-colonization project, not "Jews". Get it straight, the Europeans could have been Protestants and they would have fought against them, just as they fought against the Crusaders.

No they were all Jews with ties to the land of Judea through DNA links. The arab armies were doing what they always do and exercising their ethnic cleansing to keep the non muslims as downtrodden as possible. Just as many Jews that lived in the M.E. migrated to Israel as did from Europe, and then after 1948 many more Jews from the M.E were evicted from their homes and made their way to Israel. The arabs reneged on the treaties they had signed giving the land of Palestine to the Jews after the grand mufti incited rebellion and hostilities across Palestine.

Are you being serious? "Ties to the land of Judea through DNA links" If DNA links meant that people could just settle land their ancestors had lived on 2000 years prior, Greeks could reclaim Byzantium or Native Americans could claim land in China. Sheesh, what a concept.

No Arab signed over Palestine to the Jews, and, no Palestinian agreed to give up his home and land to European settlers, it was taken from them. That is just propaganda.

There was no country of Palestine -- it was just a territory. Does anyone think that this poster would complain about the Hindus having to give up their lands after their ancestors had lived there thousands of years? After all, millions of Hindus had their land carved off to make way for Pakistan because the Muslims had to have their own country. However, such a to do with one tiny area of the world when early travelers didn't see this huge population of Arabs that some posters want you to believe there were. Imagine if the Jews weren't in this tiny area creating jobs for the poor Arabs who came from their impoverished countries. What a sorry lot these Arabs would have been trying to scrape a living.

 

[montelatici]

So, you admit that several hundred thousand Christians and Muslims of Palestine were dispossessed by European Jews, but since Pakistan was split off from India, it's ok that these Christians and Muslims were dispossessed. While I don't get your logic, I guess you can maintain that position, however absurd the connection is.

 

[Sally]

So, you admit that several hundred thousand Christians and Muslims of Palestine were dispossessed by European Jews, but since Pakistan was split off from India, it's ok that these Christians and Muslims were dispossessed. While I don't get your logic, I guess you can maintain that position, however absurd the connection is.

It is you who are claiming that about the Christians, but you surely don't care about the millions of Hindus who had to leave their ancestral lands. If the Jews were not involved, you have no interest in what is happening to Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, and even Muslims of different sects. The blood of the Christians is now running in the streets of Syria and you have not a care in the world abou them. You don't even care that many Christians are being forced into Islam there. Maybe you get down on your prayer mat and say --- Inshallah.

 

[toastman]

The Arab "armies" were fighting a European neo-colonization project, not "Jews". Get it straight, the Europeans could have been Protestants and they would have fought against them, just as they fought against the Crusaders.

No they were all Jews with ties to the land of Judea through DNA links. The arab armies were doing what they always do and exercising their ethnic cleansing to keep the non muslims as downtrodden as possible. Just as many Jews that lived in the M.E. migrated to Israel as did from Europe, and then after 1948 many more Jews from the M.E were evicted from their homes and made their way to Israel. The arabs reneged on the treaties they had signed giving the land of Palestine to the Jews after the grand mufti incited rebellion and hostilities across Palestine.

Are you being serious? "Ties to the land of Judea through DNA links" If DNA links meant that people could just settle land their ancestors had lived on 2000 years prior, Greeks could reclaim Byzantium or Native Americans could claim land in China. Sheesh, what a concept.

No Arab signed over Palestine to the Jews, and, no Palestinian agreed to give up his home and land to European settlers, it was taken from them. That is just propaganda.

More Palestinians lies. It wasn't taken from them.
The Jews declared independence legally after cessation of the mandate.
Show me documents that show that their declaration of independence was illegal.

 

[montelatici]

How do you know I have no interest in what is happening to Christians or any other group elsewhere? This thread is about Israel/Palestine, that's what is being discussed. Why do you insist on bringing up issues that have nothing to do with the I/P situation. India was an exchange of land between Hindus and Muslims both indigenous to the area, so it bears no similarity to the I/P situation.

As far as Syria, I am in fact discussing the issue as we speak on another forum. The Christians of Syria are fully behind the Government and are in the Syrian Army fighting the rebels. Not sure about your claim of forced conversion in Syria, I haven't seen anything to that effect, and I doubt the Government would force conversions. Maybe the Al Quaeda rebel factions are doing that, but again, I haven't seen anything in the press. And, it has nothing to do with the I/P situation which is what this thread is about.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

monte, you don't seem to get the fact that the Palestinian Christians are just being used as tools for the Muslims until they get all of Palestine. Then they will be massacred.

 

[toastman]

Not true!

Arab armies fought Israeli troops in Palestine.

You're so full of it. Arab armies NEVER fought to create a Palestine, they planned to destroy the Jewish state and kill all the Jews, and then divide the spoils between themselves. Even the so called Palestinians weren't expecting a Palestine out of any of the wars. Arabs would have laughed at them and then killed them all. So you see, this conflict has never been about "stolen land" it's simply about Arab Islamic intolerance, hatred, and violence towards the non Muslim.

The Arab "armies" were fighting a European neo-colonization project, not "Jews". Get it straight, the Europeans could have been Protestants and they would have fought against them, just as they fought against the Crusaders.

Lol where so you get your lies from??
Why did you put the word 'armies' in quotations?

And yes, the Europeans were Jews, with the exception os a small percentage of them maybe. Also, it wasn't just the recent European immigrants that fought in the war, it was the Jewish residents as well.

 

[P F Tinmore]

No they were all Jews with ties to the land of Judea through DNA links. The arab armies were doing what they always do and exercising their ethnic cleansing to keep the non muslims as downtrodden as possible. Just as many Jews that lived in the M.E. migrated to Israel as did from Europe, and then after 1948 many more Jews from the M.E were evicted from their homes and made their way to Israel. The arabs reneged on the treaties they had signed giving the land of Palestine to the Jews after the grand mufti incited rebellion and hostilities across Palestine.

Are you being serious? "Ties to the land of Judea through DNA links" If DNA links meant that people could just settle land their ancestors had lived on 2000 years prior, Greeks could reclaim Byzantium or Native Americans could claim land in China. Sheesh, what a concept.

No Arab signed over Palestine to the Jews, and, no Palestinian agreed to give up his home and land to European settlers, it was taken from them. That is just propaganda.

More Palestinians lies. It wasn't taken from them.
The Jews declared independence legally after cessation of the mandate.
Show me documents that show that their declaration of independence was illegal.

What did the mandate have to do with anything?

 

[montelatici]

You're so full of it. Arab armies NEVER fought to create a Palestine, they planned to destroy the Jewish state and kill all the Jews, and then divide the spoils between themselves. Even the so called Palestinians weren't expecting a Palestine out of any of the wars. Arabs would have laughed at them and then killed them all. So you see, this conflict has never been about "stolen land" it's simply about Arab Islamic intolerance, hatred, and violence towards the non Muslim.

The Arab "armies" were fighting a European neo-colonization project, not "Jews". Get it straight, the Europeans could have been Protestants and they would have fought against them, just as they fought against the Crusaders.

Lol where so you get your lies from??
Why did you put the word 'armies' in quotations?

And yes, the Europeans were Jews, with the exception os a small percentage of them maybe. Also, it wasn't just the recent European immigrants that fought in the war, it was the Jewish residents as well.

What lie? The settlers were European and they wrestled control of land from the indigenous Christians and Muslims. That's just a fact. If you mean by Jewish residents the indigenous Jewish Arabs, as they were called, they were a tiny minority.

Armies is in quotes because outside of the Jordanian Arab Legion, they weren't disciplined military organizations.

 

[Sally]

The Arab "armies" were fighting a European neo-colonization project, not "Jews". Get it straight, the Europeans could have been Protestants and they would have fought against them, just as they fought against the Crusaders.

Lol where so you get your lies from??
Why did you put the word 'armies' in quotations?

And yes, the Europeans were Jews, with the exception os a small percentage of them maybe. Also, it wasn't just the recent European immigrants that fought in the war, it was the Jewish residents as well.

What lie? The settlers were European and they wrestled control of land from the indigenous Christians and Muslims. That's just a fact. If you mean by Jewish residents the indigenous Jewish Arabs, as they were called, they were a tiny minority.

Armies is in quotes because outside of the Jordanian Arab Legion, they weren't disciplined military organizations.

Hmm, wonder if montelatici gets a coffee break every now and then. Some times you get the feeling that some of these Muslim posters are sitting on porta-potties while they are busy demonizing the Israeli Jews.

Jews to no one's land

 

[Roudy]

Not true!

Arab armies fought Israeli troops in Palestine.

You're so full of it. Arab armies NEVER fought to create a Palestine, they planned to destroy the Jewish state and kill all the Jews, and then divide the spoils between themselves. Even the so called Palestinians weren't expecting a Palestine out of any of the wars. Arabs would have laughed at them and then killed them all. So you see, this conflict has never been about "stolen land" it's simply about Arab Islamic intolerance, hatred, and violence towards the non Muslim.

The Arab "armies" were fighting a European neo-colonization project, not "Jews". Get it straight, the Europeans could have been Protestants and they would have fought against them, just as they fought against the Crusaders.

So you conceded that the Arabs weren't fighting for this mythical Palestine which they themselves did not believe existed. One small step for a moron and false propagandist.

The Arabs really had no say in how the land that was never theirs to begin with was to be divided. It had been Ottoman land for 600 years. Instead they decided to attack the Jews over and over and over. The Arabs had no problems or objections whatsoever with all the Muslim shithole countries that were carved out of the Ottoman Empire. Apparently only the Non Muslim Jewish country established in the ancient ancestral homeland of the Jews seemed to upset them.

Again, Muslim hatred, intolerance and violence towards the non Muslim, that is what this conflict is really about. Proof of that is when Jordan and Egypt controlled West Bank and Gaza for 20 years from 1948 to 1967 not a peep out of anybody about this phony baloney Palestine. As long as the evil Jews weren't in control and it was in Muslim hands, that is what mattered to them.

 

[Roudy]

The Arab "armies" were fighting a European neo-colonization project, not "Jews". Get it straight, the Europeans could have been Protestants and they would have fought against them, just as they fought against the Crusaders.

Lol where so you get your lies from??
Why did you put the word 'armies' in quotations?

And yes, the Europeans were Jews, with the exception os a small percentage of them maybe. Also, it wasn't just the recent European immigrants that fought in the war, it was the Jewish residents as well.

What lie? The settlers were European and they wrestled control of land from the indigenous Christians and Muslims. That's just a fact. If you mean by Jewish residents the indigenous Jewish Arabs, as they were called, they were a tiny minority.

Armies is in quotes because outside of the Jordanian Arab Legion, they weren't disciplined military organizations.

Are you purposefully not including the approximately one million Middle eastern Jews who had to flee the Muslim savages, who kept screaming at them "go to the homeland that you love so much"? How about their rights, properties, livelihood, assets, etc. ha ha ha

 

[Roudy]

How do you know I have no interest in what is happening to Christians or any other group elsewhere? This thread is about Israel/Palestine, that's what is being discussed. Why do you insist on bringing up issues that have nothing to do with the I/P situation. India was an exchange of land between Hindus and Muslims both indigenous to the area, so it bears no similarity to the I/P situation.

As far as Syria, I am in fact discussing the issue as we speak on another forum. The Christians of Syria are fully behind the Government and are in the Syrian Army fighting the rebels. Not sure about your claim of forced conversion in Syria, I haven't seen anything to that effect, and I doubt the Government would force conversions. Maybe the Al Quaeda rebel factions are doing that, but again, I haven't seen anything in the press. And, it has nothing to do with the I/P situation which is what this thread is about.

How do we know you don't care about the rights of Christians being killed by Muslim savages? Because you're a troll sock puppet who spends all his time defending Palestinians savagery, that's how.

You aren't fooling anybody, Mohomod. Latici.