AAAAND Sweden was right,

Global average 84 deaths per million. Sweden 564 deaths per million. Open schools & the country like. We need to kill more, damage more lungs & create more chronic disease because our healthcare cost are too low!

As was already pointed out. Sweden made one big mistake.

Seen their numbers lately.

Dumbshit. Only your head is flatter than this curve has gotten.

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Sweden's death toll is 7 times the average. They will suffer for life with lung damage. But who cares as long as you are politically correct.

No proof of lung damage, moron.

And yes, I pointed out they were 7th.

Did you see the curve.....flat.

Fuck off.


Put one for smokers...one for pneumonia, one for asthma. You don't get to post bullshit in a vacuum and expect it to mean anything at all.

You guys really are:

1. Gullible
2. Stupid
3. Assholes

Whoop Strap proving even asymptomatic covid cases have lung damage as their breathing rate increased after infected.


Yes.

Well, I have a study done by a group of 2nd graders at a grade school in Tempe, AZ that says it doesn't affect things at all.
 
Total COvid approach has been vindicated with the exception of how to protect people in long term care facilities. 90% of their deaths are people 70 and up. Theirs and Iceland's experience also shows schools can be open. Heard a stat, US deaths from wuhan 34 and under is under 1000.
Sweden is rapidly approaching the endgame which means that restrictions can be dropped entirely and normal life can resume. They will have maintained their dignity and freedom while the rest of the world hid under their beds for months on end. They won’t have to reopen their primary schools because they never shut them down to begin with. Numerous reports indicate that young children are neither at risk nor do they pass the virus to others. Most Americans don’t know this because the propaganda media has omitted the news from their coverage. Here’s a clip from the National Review which helps to explain:

Sweden is rocking it.

They are doing quite well right now.
 
Total COvid approach has been vindicated with the exception of how to protect people in long term care facilities. 90% of their deaths are people 70 and up. Theirs and Iceland's experience also shows schools can be open. Heard a stat, US deaths from wuhan 34 and under is under 1000.
Sweden is rapidly approaching the endgame which means that restrictions can be dropped entirely and normal life can resume. They will have maintained their dignity and freedom while the rest of the world hid under their beds for months on end. They won’t have to reopen their primary schools because they never shut them down to begin with. Numerous reports indicate that young children are neither at risk nor do they pass the virus to others. Most Americans don’t know this because the propaganda media has omitted the news from their coverage. Here’s a clip from the National Review which helps to explain:

Well..not exactly. And if you'd like to be the one to tell older people that they are sacrificial lambs, be my guest. The Lt Governor of Texas already tried that. How's that workin out for his state? Point is, that it's been a mixed bag for Sweden.

The key words to pay attention to in this article are the words personal responsibility. You didn't see Swedes whining and moaning about wearing masks and social distancing. Something a lot of people in this country won't do because of various reason that I'm not going into. So, no taking personal responsibility, hence the virus spreads. You have a nation of 10.2 million vs 330 million so it's really difficult to compare possible results. When people sheltered in place here, the virus curve flattened. That's forced social distancing. We open back up and everybody ignores the past few months and goes back to making like it never happened. That's why we have what we have now. Again, if people could just be trusted to do the right thing, these types of shutdowns wouldn't be necessary. Forest for the trees.

NY just shoveled them of to nursing home death camps. NY, NJ and Mass had 45% of the deaths from Covid-19, surprised you didn't bring out how effective they are.

This has been covered adnauseum. They were following state and federal guidelines. What were they supposed to do with them? Send them out into the streets or send them home (like TX is almost being forced to do now?). And I think they've admitted in hindsight this was a mistake. But back to Sweden. Which the United States isn't. The collective good is respected and practiced in Sweden. Our stubborn insistence on individual rights are what's preventing us from beating the virus back and getting back to living our lives.
Again, you make a lot of claims about Sweden that have no evidence to support them. You're a big fat lying idiot. You're also a sleazy lying douchebag.

And you as usual are full of it. You just see and hear what you want. Or what your alt-right masters tell you to. Again, this has been covered.
Prove this statement, moron: " Which the United States isn't. The collective good is respected and practiced in Sweden "

Your article doesn't mention any Swedish practices that are not legally enforced in the United States.

You're full of shit, as always.

Sweden let old people get sick.

They didn't intentionally kill them like they did in New York.

He is full of shit...I'll give you that.
 
Total COvid approach has been vindicated with the exception of how to protect people in long term care facilities. 90% of their deaths are people 70 and up. Theirs and Iceland's experience also shows schools can be open. Heard a stat, US deaths from wuhan 34 and under is under 1000.
Sweden is rapidly approaching the endgame which means that restrictions can be dropped entirely and normal life can resume. They will have maintained their dignity and freedom while the rest of the world hid under their beds for months on end. They won’t have to reopen their primary schools because they never shut them down to begin with. Numerous reports indicate that young children are neither at risk nor do they pass the virus to others. Most Americans don’t know this because the propaganda media has omitted the news from their coverage. Here’s a clip from the National Review which helps to explain:
Just wait until winter when they are all packed & sealed inside buildings for heat like last winter in NYC, Chicago & Detroit. Like the southerners are now packed inside for air conditioning. Cherry picking ain't science.

Sweden has the 4th highest Covid Death Rate on Earth!!!

Another ignorant left winger:

Chew on this:

 
Total COvid approach has been vindicated with the exception of how to protect people in long term care facilities. 90% of their deaths are people 70 and up. Theirs and Iceland's experience also shows schools can be open. Heard a stat, US deaths from wuhan 34 and under is under 1000.
Sweden is rapidly approaching the endgame which means that restrictions can be dropped entirely and normal life can resume. They will have maintained their dignity and freedom while the rest of the world hid under their beds for months on end. They won’t have to reopen their primary schools because they never shut them down to begin with. Numerous reports indicate that young children are neither at risk nor do they pass the virus to others. Most Americans don’t know this because the propaganda media has omitted the news from their coverage. Here’s a clip from the National Review which helps to explain:
Just wait until winter when they are all packed & sealed inside buildings for heat like last winter in NYC, Chicago & Detroit. Like the southerners are now packed inside for air conditioning. Cherry picking ain't science.

Sweden has the 4th highest Covid Death Rate on Earth!!!

Another ignorant left winger:

Chew on this:

You believe cherry picking data from one country during its virus off season to fit political narative is science. LOL!!! What country will you Trumptards pivot to when Sweden's infection & death rate explodes again after September?
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Total COvid approach has been vindicated with the exception of how to protect people in long term care facilities. 90% of their deaths are people 70 and up. Theirs and Iceland's experience also shows schools can be open. Heard a stat, US deaths from wuhan 34 and under is under 1000.
Sweden is rapidly approaching the endgame which means that restrictions can be dropped entirely and normal life can resume. They will have maintained their dignity and freedom while the rest of the world hid under their beds for months on end. They won’t have to reopen their primary schools because they never shut them down to begin with. Numerous reports indicate that young children are neither at risk nor do they pass the virus to others. Most Americans don’t know this because the propaganda media has omitted the news from their coverage. Here’s a clip from the National Review which helps to explain:
Just wait until winter when they are all packed & sealed inside buildings for heat like last winter in NYC, Chicago & Detroit. Like the southerners are now packed inside for air conditioning. Cherry picking ain't science.

Sweden has the 4th highest Covid Death Rate on Earth!!!

Another ignorant left winger:

Chew on this:

You believe cherry picking data from one country during its virus off season to fit political narative is science. LOL!!! What country will you Trumptards pivot to when Sweden's infection & death rate explodes again after September?
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LOL !!!!

This is an estimator.

Wow....given that all estimates have been miserabaly wrong.......you have some moxy (and apparently no aversion to looking stupid).

BTW: Sweden is averaging about 100 to 200 cases per day right now. Your estimate shows they should be at ????? 650.

I mean...how stupid can you be ?
 
Total COvid approach has been vindicated with the exception of how to protect people in long term care facilities. 90% of their deaths are people 70 and up. Theirs and Iceland's experience also shows schools can be open. Heard a stat, US deaths from wuhan 34 and under is under 1000.
Sweden is rapidly approaching the endgame which means that restrictions can be dropped entirely and normal life can resume. They will have maintained their dignity and freedom while the rest of the world hid under their beds for months on end. They won’t have to reopen their primary schools because they never shut them down to begin with. Numerous reports indicate that young children are neither at risk nor do they pass the virus to others. Most Americans don’t know this because the propaganda media has omitted the news from their coverage. Here’s a clip from the National Review which helps to explain:
Just wait until winter when they are all packed & sealed inside buildings for heat like last winter in NYC, Chicago & Detroit. Like the southerners are now packed inside for air conditioning. Cherry picking ain't science.

Sweden has the 4th highest Covid Death Rate on Earth!!!

Another ignorant left winger:

Chew on this:

You believe cherry picking data from one country during its virus off season to fit political narative is science. LOL!!! What country will you Trumptards pivot to when Sweden's infection & death rate explodes again after September?
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Suck on this.

 
I mean...how stupid can you be (KissMy) ?

Only as stupid as a Leftist. Then you hit the Stupid Wall and you can't go any further in the direction of stupidity.

"I'm concerned that if too many American military go to Guam, the island will tip over and capsize." - Democratic Congressman Hank Johnson

"I've been to like 57 states. Two more to go." - Democrat Socialist Barack Obama
 
The Swedish approach relies on trust rather than enforcement, going to the heart of how Swedes see their society.

‘To live in a democracy you need trust,’ said Morgan Olofsson, spokesman for Sweden’s Civil Contingency Agency, which is responsible for public safety, emergency management and civil defence.

 
Blanket business shutdowns—which the U.S. never tried before this pandemic—led to a deep recession. Economists and health experts say there may be a better way.
 

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Authorities predicted that 40% of the people in Stockholm would get the disease and develop protective antibodies by May. The actual prevalence, however, was around 15%, according to the study published Aug. 11 in the Journal of the Royal Society of Medicine.

"It is clear that not only are the rates of viral infection, hospitalization and mortality [per million population] much higher than those seen in neighboring Scandinavian countries, but also that the time-course of the epidemic in Sweden is different, with continued persistence of higher infection and mortality well beyond the few critical weeks period seen in Denmark, Finland and Norway," said researcher Dr. David Goldsmith, a retired physician in London.

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When are you moron deniers going to understand:

Sweden is a country of highly educated, well-off people. A country like Sweden can do better without closing restaurants than a country full of morons -- like the United states -- can do, because they are smarter people and will follow best practices.

So, the irony here is that you dumbass deniers and cultists are the reason we can't do what Sweden did. You idiots really need to let that sink in.
 
When are you moron deniers going to understand:

Sweden is a country of highly educated, well-off people. A country like Sweden can do better without closing restaurants than a country full of morons -- like the United states -- can do, because they are smarter people and will follow best practices.

So, the irony here is that you dumbass deniers and cultists are the reason we can't do what Sweden did. You idiots really need to let that sink in.
Like not wearing a mask....like Swedes didnt
 
Blanket business shutdowns—which the U.S. never tried before this pandemic—led to a deep recession. Economists and health experts say there may be a better way.

Thanks for the article WSJ won't let you read. Thanks so m.......
 
You believe cherry picking data from one country during its virus off season to fit political narative (sic) is science. LOL!!! What country will you Trumptards pivot to when Sweden's infection & death rate explodes again after September?

"LOL!!!"

Your ignorance is showing, in more than one way. "LOL!!"

But your ignorance is not funny. Not in the least. "LOL!!!"

If we're so incredibly stupid, what does that say about you Hillaryous Losers being defeated by "Trumptards" as you call us, hmmm? And Hillaryous the Hateful outspent Trump 5 to one including soft money, in addition to having the support of 90% of America's Fake Newspapers. "LOL!!!"
 
By Dr. Liji Thomas, MD

Aug 17 2020

Study published on the preprint server medRxiv* in August 2020



Study: England

Study: England's Lockdown vs. Sweden's Herd Immunity: A Comparison of the Daily New COVID-19 Cases and Related Deaths Using Comparative Interrupted Time Series Analysis.

Herd Immunity Vs. Lockdown
When faced with the pandemic, Sweden aimed at achieving conferring herd immunity. It was hoped this would indirectly protect the rest of the population by ensuring that the risk of being exposed to the virus was reduced since infection chains cannot propagate among those who are immune to the virus. Proponents of the herd immunity approach say that it is a preferred strategy since lockdown cannot prevent viral spread but only delays it, at an unnecessary cost both economically and socially.

The lockdown approach is recommended, on the other hand, because it does decrease the effective reproduction number – the average number of people infected by each infected individual. When fewer people are infected in this way, the transmission chain is broken, and there are fewer cases to treat as well. Despite much media debate about which measures are better, lockdown or herd immunity, and plenty of research using predictive methods or tools to measure the change in the reproduction number, there was a lack of definitive data on the effectiveness of lockdown measures.

The current study is based on a quasi-experimental technique called interrupted time series (ITS) analysis. Here, the outcome of interest is collected at multiple points in time, both before and after a specific intervention. The trend of the outcome over time is thus observed, to find the effect of the intervention. In studies where randomization cannot or should not be done, this is an alternative practice.

The History of the UK Lockdown
By June 3, 2020, the World Health Organization confirmed about 279,000 and 38,500 cases of COVID-19 in the United Kingdom (UK) and Sweden, respectively, with the number of deaths crossing 39,000 and 4,400 in these countries. England had its first two cases on January 31, 2020, with the first COVID-linked death being reported on March 2. This was followed by escalation, with the lockdown put in place on March 23.

Both England and Sweden initially opted for herd immunity, but England switched to the lockdown strategy later, partly due to a model which showed that without any intervention, about 510,000 people in the UK would die of COVID-19. The two countries were chosen for the head-to-head comparison of daily case and death counts because the delay in declaring a lockdown in the UK allowed the pre-lockdown picture in both countries to be highly similar – a prerequisite for making inferences based on this data.

With the lockdown, people in England were not able to travel out of their homes freely to work, to stores, or for social activities. This was intended to keep the virus from spreading rapidly between people in close contact.

The History of the Herd Immunity Approach in Sweden
In Sweden, the first case was reported on the same day as in the UK, and the first death on March 11. However, Sweden did not adopt the lockdown strategy, instead choosing to make the public responsible for their health by stringent recommendations to stay at home for work as well as avoid traveling, as far as possible, to maintain social distancing, and if above 70 or showing the least signs of COVID-19, to stay at home all the time. However, preschools and elementary schools remained open.

The researchers used the effect of lockdown in England on daily cases and the rate of new cases and deaths in the first 100 days of lockdown, relative to Sweden. They found that the incidence of cases in England over 30 days was over 20,000 cases per 10 million people, vs. 15,000 in Sweden. Thus, England had a relative case incidence of 1.32.

In England, the incidence rate was approximately 3,400 deaths per 10 million people, vs. 2,400 in Sweden. Thus, the relative death incidence was 1.42. The case fatality in England and Sweden was 17% and 16% respectively.
 
Since March, the Emergency Room where I work has been divided in to a “covid” section and a “non-covid” section. Anyone with a fever, cough, or sore throat has ended up in the covid section, and we’ve been required to wear full personal protective equipment when interacting with patients in that section. Last Wednesday the hospital shut down the covid section. So few true cases of covid are coming through the Emergency Room that it no longer makes sense to have a separate section for covid.
 

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