A white, straight "feminist" wallows in self pity because boys picked on him for liking girly stuff

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Dear Men: Toxic Masculinity Is Imprisoning Us, and It’s Time to Set Ourselves Free

Dear Men: Toxic Masculinity Is Imprisoning Us, and It’s Time to Set Ourselves Free
January 8, 2016 by David Greenwald

When I was a small, school-age child, perhaps seven or eight, I brought a new book to class for morning reading.

It happened to be Baby Island, a 1937 novel that Wikipedia describes as “Robinson Crusoe… but with four babies.” My intention, on that brisk fall morning, was to pull the paperback out of my backpack and open it to my bookmark.

“What is that? Why are you reading that?” someone asked. A cluster formed around my desk, to see the boy who was not reading a very boyish book.

Babies, of course, were the realm of moms – of women. I wasn’t sure what to say. It was a story. I wanted to find out what happened next.

There was never a restriction, in my house, of what a boy should or should not consume. I read Nancy Drew and the Hardy Boys both. The complete Anne of Green Gables saga. Little House on the Prairie and all the (admittedly tedious) sequels.

And eventually science fiction and fantasy, in which I read male authors – Orson Scott Card, Isaac Asimov, Ray Bradbury – as well as women such as Margaret Weiss, J.K. Rowling, and Madeleine L’Engle.

With age came music. At summer camp before junior year, as my bunkmates obsessed over Sublime and the Red Hot Chili Peppers and taped scissored posters of women in bikinis (and less) on the walls, I was hiding my Fiona Apple cassette.

High school wasn’t any different. It was the height of Limp Bizkit: The men of Ventura High were expected to listen to music that was heavy and hard. Punk at least, but metal was even better. I liked some of that: Everclear and Blink-182 and a few more, but mostly I was interested in Ben Folds Five and Elliott Smith, and drew scorn for it.

Eventually, I found the weird kids and the outcasts and started worrying about impressing music snobs instead, but there were always new lines being drawn.

In college, I had to defend watching Sex and the City episodes. Cocktails? Those were “girly drinks.” To be a man was to drink corporate beer and do shots, perhaps because the point was to get drunk enough to forget being a man wasn’t much fun.

And there was always the ugly static of someone, perhaps a friend, using “gay” or worse as a slur to describe another man’s clothing choices, attitude, haircut, whatever.

I know now, thanks to my parents and the remarkable independent bookstore I spent my childhood in, that I was receiving an early lesson in equality, open-mindedness, and feminism.

I am grateful that somehow that was enough to carry me onward through non-masculine-approved behavior — through music, through watching Sailor Moon before school every morning, through not giving a shit about football.

Rejecting male critiques, as a man, was a pretty easy burden for me to bear. I am white, straight, and cisgender: I never had to deal with the abuse and marginalization that faces people of color and the LGBTQIA+ community.

The worst thing to happen to me as a Jew, besides a lingering sense of otherness, was going to middle school with a pair of skinhead neo-Nazis who knew a few slurs, but never got around to beating any of us up.

And yet, at every turn, the masculine path was clearly set in front of me. Strength, anger, endurance, violence, stoicism. This is for boys, this is for girls. Don’t dress like this, don’t watch this, don’t listen to this. Don’t, don’t, don’t.

What could possibly happen, dudes? Could it be that we might experience a wider view of the human experience? Could it be that women are people and sensitivity is a universal quality? Could it be that Fiona Apple is a better songwriter than Bob Dylan?

This morning, after engaging on Twitter with a man heckling feminists and “beta males” (that term a truly awful feat of insecurity and self-denial), I received a handful of heckles myself: mostly, comments that I own a cat.

This was the worst they could come up with: I am a failed man, a beta male incapable of reason or seriousness because I own a foster animal that isn’t a dog. Or isn’t a 150-pound police-trained killer. Or isn’t an actual fire-breathing dragon. I don’t know, I must’ve set the Man Rules e-mails to spam.

The effort to define manhood is a source of artificial strength, a buttress against crumbling walls. Men who aspire to such stereotypes are searching for a safe and simple path, the same way people turn toward religion or any form of dogma.

If you never have to look outside your prison walls, you never have to be afraid of what you might encounter. Thinking for yourself eases away. The world never changes, and we know change is hard.

I think the white-knuckled grip some men keep on what defines a man, on trying to forever be some ersatz version of John Wayne or Batman or Han Solo or a SEAL Team 6 commando who also drinks scotch and fights fires, is a form of sad self-defense — a suffocating shield, being brandished as a sword.

Consider, oh male reader, someone you disagree with: a climate change denier or Ku Klux Klan member, maybe. Aren’t they clinging to an old idea of the world, one they can control, one that isn’t new or different or equal or, let’s just say it, actually happening?

As a feminist, I know that breaking down the toxic social expectations around women is work intended to free them. To allow them to experience life and been understood as the whole and complicated people we all are.

I know that men are just as trapped and just as much in need of liberation. That is, if they can face their fears of anything coded as feminine, gay, or merely different.

Aren’t men supposed to be brave?

Men don’t have to be anything. You just have to be you. Fuck defining that.


******
More stupidity from the "Everyday Feminist" website. This guy is a straight white male, but he still wants us to feel sorry for him because he got teased as a kid for being too "feminine" in his choice of books, music, and TV shows.

I'd like to drop this guy anywhere in Africa, where people have real problems: lack of clean water, lawlessness, war, famine, genocide, AIDS, etc.
 
Dear Men: Toxic Masculinity Is Imprisoning Us, and It’s Time to Set Ourselves Free

Dear Men: Toxic Masculinity Is Imprisoning Us, and It’s Time to Set Ourselves Free
January 8, 2016 by David Greenwald

When I was a small, school-age child, perhaps seven or eight, I brought a new book to class for morning reading.

It happened to be Baby Island, a 1937 novel that Wikipedia describes as “Robinson Crusoe… but with four babies.” My intention, on that brisk fall morning, was to pull the paperback out of my backpack and open it to my bookmark.

“What is that? Why are you reading that?” someone asked. A cluster formed around my desk, to see the boy who was not reading a very boyish book.

Babies, of course, were the realm of moms – of women. I wasn’t sure what to say. It was a story. I wanted to find out what happened next.

There was never a restriction, in my house, of what a boy should or should not consume. I read Nancy Drew and the Hardy Boys both. The complete Anne of Green Gables saga. Little House on the Prairie and all the (admittedly tedious) sequels.

And eventually science fiction and fantasy, in which I read male authors – Orson Scott Card, Isaac Asimov, Ray Bradbury – as well as women such as Margaret Weiss, J.K. Rowling, and Madeleine L’Engle.

With age came music. At summer camp before junior year, as my bunkmates obsessed over Sublime and the Red Hot Chili Peppers and taped scissored posters of women in bikinis (and less) on the walls, I was hiding my Fiona Apple cassette.

High school wasn’t any different. It was the height of Limp Bizkit: The men of Ventura High were expected to listen to music that was heavy and hard. Punk at least, but metal was even better. I liked some of that: Everclear and Blink-182 and a few more, but mostly I was interested in Ben Folds Five and Elliott Smith, and drew scorn for it.

Eventually, I found the weird kids and the outcasts and started worrying about impressing music snobs instead, but there were always new lines being drawn.

In college, I had to defend watching Sex and the City episodes. Cocktails? Those were “girly drinks.” To be a man was to drink corporate beer and do shots, perhaps because the point was to get drunk enough to forget being a man wasn’t much fun.

And there was always the ugly static of someone, perhaps a friend, using “gay” or worse as a slur to describe another man’s clothing choices, attitude, haircut, whatever.

I know now, thanks to my parents and the remarkable independent bookstore I spent my childhood in, that I was receiving an early lesson in equality, open-mindedness, and feminism.

I am grateful that somehow that was enough to carry me onward through non-masculine-approved behavior — through music, through watching Sailor Moon before school every morning, through not giving a shit about football.

Rejecting male critiques, as a man, was a pretty easy burden for me to bear. I am white, straight, and cisgender: I never had to deal with the abuse and marginalization that faces people of color and the LGBTQIA+ community.

The worst thing to happen to me as a Jew, besides a lingering sense of otherness, was going to middle school with a pair of skinhead neo-Nazis who knew a few slurs, but never got around to beating any of us up.

And yet, at every turn, the masculine path was clearly set in front of me. Strength, anger, endurance, violence, stoicism. This is for boys, this is for girls. Don’t dress like this, don’t watch this, don’t listen to this. Don’t, don’t, don’t.

What could possibly happen, dudes? Could it be that we might experience a wider view of the human experience? Could it be that women are people and sensitivity is a universal quality? Could it be that Fiona Apple is a better songwriter than Bob Dylan?

This morning, after engaging on Twitter with a man heckling feminists and “beta males” (that term a truly awful feat of insecurity and self-denial), I received a handful of heckles myself: mostly, comments that I own a cat.

This was the worst they could come up with: I am a failed man, a beta male incapable of reason or seriousness because I own a foster animal that isn’t a dog. Or isn’t a 150-pound police-trained killer. Or isn’t an actual fire-breathing dragon. I don’t know, I must’ve set the Man Rules e-mails to spam.

The effort to define manhood is a source of artificial strength, a buttress against crumbling walls. Men who aspire to such stereotypes are searching for a safe and simple path, the same way people turn toward religion or any form of dogma.

If you never have to look outside your prison walls, you never have to be afraid of what you might encounter. Thinking for yourself eases away. The world never changes, and we know change is hard.

I think the white-knuckled grip some men keep on what defines a man, on trying to forever be some ersatz version of John Wayne or Batman or Han Solo or a SEAL Team 6 commando who also drinks scotch and fights fires, is a form of sad self-defense — a suffocating shield, being brandished as a sword.

Consider, oh male reader, someone you disagree with: a climate change denier or Ku Klux Klan member, maybe. Aren’t they clinging to an old idea of the world, one they can control, one that isn’t new or different or equal or, let’s just say it, actually happening?

As a feminist, I know that breaking down the toxic social expectations around women is work intended to free them. To allow them to experience life and been understood as the whole and complicated people we all are.

I know that men are just as trapped and just as much in need of liberation. That is, if they can face their fears of anything coded as feminine, gay, or merely different.

Aren’t men supposed to be brave?

Men don’t have to be anything. You just have to be you. Fuck defining that.


******
More stupidity from the "Everyday Feminist" website. This guy is a straight white male, but he still wants us to feel sorry for him because he got teased as a kid for being too "feminine" in his choice of books, music, and TV shows.

I'd like to drop this guy anywhere in Africa, where people have real problems: lack of clean water, lawlessness, war, famine, genocide, AIDS, etc.

Scares you, doesn't it? :itsok:
 
I had the honor of being the only person to invite a male feminist Jay Hamburger to a local Women's Group, and watching him get escorted out. That was before it was explained to me WHY the group was women only (due to some members being rape victims who needed to be assured the forum would remain safe and confidential and not be around any men).

He was very nice about it and understood the plight of women. Another person I respect for speaking out was Nick Cooper who defended why the Occupy group needed a women's only forum, because he also understood the dynamic going on.

Time and again, as soon as men are in a group, the "pecking order" and turf wars of trying to be the man in charge end up in a competition to dominate others. When women get caught up in that, it is even more abusive and oppressive. In my neighborhood, to this day, the men in conflict refuse to reconcile and continue playing victim and bully games, while the women work 2-3 jobs to pay the costs of damages not resolved while the men would rather blame others. They don't want to fix messes they feel are someone else's fault or responsibility. So the work gets dumped on women, but the men still want to be in charge.

This authority issue of men needing to look in charge either works very well or it is disastrous.

There are plenty of women with this same bullying attitude of having to be in charge, and not having anyone else compete to be the prima donna and center of attention.

Whether it's the men or the women picking on others, the tendency to pick on the weakest runt in the pack is why the sensitive females (or males) find themselves targeted. Women are known to attack other women in sexist ways as well to 'cut them down' -- to target someone for their gender is still the same problem of discrimination by gender, whether the oppressor is men or women doing that.

Remember how Sarah Palin was judged for how she looked or dressed, and verbally torn down in similar sexist ways that feminists complain was done to Hillary.

Look up how Ann Coulter gets away with saying sexist vulgar things targeting a Muslim woman.

One of Ann Coulter's controversial sexist remarks:
“She ought to be in prison for wearing a hijab,” ... Did she get a clitorectomy, too?,” she asked.

As I said before, at least she breaks through the glass ceiling on sexism, by proving women can equally be sexist against women. You don't have to be a man to do that!
Mean spirited bullying is what it is, regardless of the gender of the perpetrator or the intended target.
 
He isn't complaining about being teased. This man is puzzled by all men not wanting to be effeminate. To him, it's liberating to accept all aspects. Men aren't just male as he is, but to be rigidly male.

He should be sat down and entertained by My Fair Lady. Then encouraged to analyze why Henry Higgins laments, why can't a woman be more like a man.
 
He's just another lefty regressive, stuck in the sixties, who thinks that natural differences between men and women are not natural at all but are all a result of environment and conditioning.
He thinks that his own anomalous metrosexual nature is due to some elite enlightened objectivity and that everyone else has a problem.
 
Dear Men: Toxic Masculinity Is Imprisoning Us, and It’s Time to Set Ourselves Free

Dear Men: Toxic Masculinity Is Imprisoning Us, and It’s Time to Set Ourselves Free
January 8, 2016 by David Greenwald

When I was a small, school-age child, perhaps seven or eight, I brought a new book to class for morning reading.

It happened to be Baby Island, a 1937 novel that Wikipedia describes as “Robinson Crusoe… but with four babies.” My intention, on that brisk fall morning, was to pull the paperback out of my backpack and open it to my bookmark.

“What is that? Why are you reading that?” someone asked. A cluster formed around my desk, to see the boy who was not reading a very boyish book.

Babies, of course, were the realm of moms – of women. I wasn’t sure what to say. It was a story. I wanted to find out what happened next.

There was never a restriction, in my house, of what a boy should or should not consume. I read Nancy Drew and the Hardy Boys both. The complete Anne of Green Gables saga. Little House on the Prairie and all the (admittedly tedious) sequels.

And eventually science fiction and fantasy, in which I read male authors – Orson Scott Card, Isaac Asimov, Ray Bradbury – as well as women such as Margaret Weiss, J.K. Rowling, and Madeleine L’Engle.

With age came music. At summer camp before junior year, as my bunkmates obsessed over Sublime and the Red Hot Chili Peppers and taped scissored posters of women in bikinis (and less) on the walls, I was hiding my Fiona Apple cassette.

High school wasn’t any different. It was the height of Limp Bizkit: The men of Ventura High were expected to listen to music that was heavy and hard. Punk at least, but metal was even better. I liked some of that: Everclear and Blink-182 and a few more, but mostly I was interested in Ben Folds Five and Elliott Smith, and drew scorn for it.

Eventually, I found the weird kids and the outcasts and started worrying about impressing music snobs instead, but there were always new lines being drawn.

In college, I had to defend watching Sex and the City episodes. Cocktails? Those were “girly drinks.” To be a man was to drink corporate beer and do shots, perhaps because the point was to get drunk enough to forget being a man wasn’t much fun.

And there was always the ugly static of someone, perhaps a friend, using “gay” or worse as a slur to describe another man’s clothing choices, attitude, haircut, whatever.

I know now, thanks to my parents and the remarkable independent bookstore I spent my childhood in, that I was receiving an early lesson in equality, open-mindedness, and feminism.

I am grateful that somehow that was enough to carry me onward through non-masculine-approved behavior — through music, through watching Sailor Moon before school every morning, through not giving a shit about football.

Rejecting male critiques, as a man, was a pretty easy burden for me to bear. I am white, straight, and cisgender: I never had to deal with the abuse and marginalization that faces people of color and the LGBTQIA+ community.

The worst thing to happen to me as a Jew, besides a lingering sense of otherness, was going to middle school with a pair of skinhead neo-Nazis who knew a few slurs, but never got around to beating any of us up.

And yet, at every turn, the masculine path was clearly set in front of me. Strength, anger, endurance, violence, stoicism. This is for boys, this is for girls. Don’t dress like this, don’t watch this, don’t listen to this. Don’t, don’t, don’t.

What could possibly happen, dudes? Could it be that we might experience a wider view of the human experience? Could it be that women are people and sensitivity is a universal quality? Could it be that Fiona Apple is a better songwriter than Bob Dylan?

This morning, after engaging on Twitter with a man heckling feminists and “beta males” (that term a truly awful feat of insecurity and self-denial), I received a handful of heckles myself: mostly, comments that I own a cat.

This was the worst they could come up with: I am a failed man, a beta male incapable of reason or seriousness because I own a foster animal that isn’t a dog. Or isn’t a 150-pound police-trained killer. Or isn’t an actual fire-breathing dragon. I don’t know, I must’ve set the Man Rules e-mails to spam.

The effort to define manhood is a source of artificial strength, a buttress against crumbling walls. Men who aspire to such stereotypes are searching for a safe and simple path, the same way people turn toward religion or any form of dogma.

If you never have to look outside your prison walls, you never have to be afraid of what you might encounter. Thinking for yourself eases away. The world never changes, and we know change is hard.

I think the white-knuckled grip some men keep on what defines a man, on trying to forever be some ersatz version of John Wayne or Batman or Han Solo or a SEAL Team 6 commando who also drinks scotch and fights fires, is a form of sad self-defense — a suffocating shield, being brandished as a sword.

Consider, oh male reader, someone you disagree with: a climate change denier or Ku Klux Klan member, maybe. Aren’t they clinging to an old idea of the world, one they can control, one that isn’t new or different or equal or, let’s just say it, actually happening?

As a feminist, I know that breaking down the toxic social expectations around women is work intended to free them. To allow them to experience life and been understood as the whole and complicated people we all are.

I know that men are just as trapped and just as much in need of liberation. That is, if they can face their fears of anything coded as feminine, gay, or merely different.

Aren’t men supposed to be brave?

Men don’t have to be anything. You just have to be you. Fuck defining that.


******
More stupidity from the "Everyday Feminist" website. This guy is a straight white male, but he still wants us to feel sorry for him because he got teased as a kid for being too "feminine" in his choice of books, music, and TV shows.

I'd like to drop this guy anywhere in Africa, where people have real problems: lack of clean water, lawlessness, war, famine, genocide, AIDS, etc.

This from the man who is still wallowing in self pity because he didn't get into Harvard- and blames it on African Americans.....
 
Dear Men: Toxic Masculinity Is Imprisoning Us, and It’s Time to Set Ourselves Free

Dear Men: Toxic Masculinity Is Imprisoning Us, and It’s Time to Set Ourselves Free
January 8, 2016 by David Greenwald

When I was a small, school-age child, perhaps seven or eight, I brought a new book to class for morning reading.

It happened to be Baby Island, a 1937 novel that Wikipedia describes as “Robinson Crusoe… but with four babies.” My intention, on that brisk fall morning, was to pull the paperback out of my backpack and open it to my bookmark.

“What is that? Why are you reading that?” someone asked. A cluster formed around my desk, to see the boy who was not reading a very boyish book.

Babies, of course, were the realm of moms – of women. I wasn’t sure what to say. It was a story. I wanted to find out what happened next.

There was never a restriction, in my house, of what a boy should or should not consume. I read Nancy Drew and the Hardy Boys both. The complete Anne of Green Gables saga. Little House on the Prairie and all the (admittedly tedious) sequels.

And eventually science fiction and fantasy, in which I read male authors – Orson Scott Card, Isaac Asimov, Ray Bradbury – as well as women such as Margaret Weiss, J.K. Rowling, and Madeleine L’Engle.

With age came music. At summer camp before junior year, as my bunkmates obsessed over Sublime and the Red Hot Chili Peppers and taped scissored posters of women in bikinis (and less) on the walls, I was hiding my Fiona Apple cassette.

High school wasn’t any different. It was the height of Limp Bizkit: The men of Ventura High were expected to listen to music that was heavy and hard. Punk at least, but metal was even better. I liked some of that: Everclear and Blink-182 and a few more, but mostly I was interested in Ben Folds Five and Elliott Smith, and drew scorn for it.

Eventually, I found the weird kids and the outcasts and started worrying about impressing music snobs instead, but there were always new lines being drawn.

In college, I had to defend watching Sex and the City episodes. Cocktails? Those were “girly drinks.” To be a man was to drink corporate beer and do shots, perhaps because the point was to get drunk enough to forget being a man wasn’t much fun.

And there was always the ugly static of someone, perhaps a friend, using “gay” or worse as a slur to describe another man’s clothing choices, attitude, haircut, whatever.

I know now, thanks to my parents and the remarkable independent bookstore I spent my childhood in, that I was receiving an early lesson in equality, open-mindedness, and feminism.

I am grateful that somehow that was enough to carry me onward through non-masculine-approved behavior — through music, through watching Sailor Moon before school every morning, through not giving a shit about football.

Rejecting male critiques, as a man, was a pretty easy burden for me to bear. I am white, straight, and cisgender: I never had to deal with the abuse and marginalization that faces people of color and the LGBTQIA+ community.

The worst thing to happen to me as a Jew, besides a lingering sense of otherness, was going to middle school with a pair of skinhead neo-Nazis who knew a few slurs, but never got around to beating any of us up.

And yet, at every turn, the masculine path was clearly set in front of me. Strength, anger, endurance, violence, stoicism. This is for boys, this is for girls. Don’t dress like this, don’t watch this, don’t listen to this. Don’t, don’t, don’t.

What could possibly happen, dudes? Could it be that we might experience a wider view of the human experience? Could it be that women are people and sensitivity is a universal quality? Could it be that Fiona Apple is a better songwriter than Bob Dylan?

This morning, after engaging on Twitter with a man heckling feminists and “beta males” (that term a truly awful feat of insecurity and self-denial), I received a handful of heckles myself: mostly, comments that I own a cat.

This was the worst they could come up with: I am a failed man, a beta male incapable of reason or seriousness because I own a foster animal that isn’t a dog. Or isn’t a 150-pound police-trained killer. Or isn’t an actual fire-breathing dragon. I don’t know, I must’ve set the Man Rules e-mails to spam.

The effort to define manhood is a source of artificial strength, a buttress against crumbling walls. Men who aspire to such stereotypes are searching for a safe and simple path, the same way people turn toward religion or any form of dogma.

If you never have to look outside your prison walls, you never have to be afraid of what you might encounter. Thinking for yourself eases away. The world never changes, and we know change is hard.

I think the white-knuckled grip some men keep on what defines a man, on trying to forever be some ersatz version of John Wayne or Batman or Han Solo or a SEAL Team 6 commando who also drinks scotch and fights fires, is a form of sad self-defense — a suffocating shield, being brandished as a sword.

Consider, oh male reader, someone you disagree with: a climate change denier or Ku Klux Klan member, maybe. Aren’t they clinging to an old idea of the world, one they can control, one that isn’t new or different or equal or, let’s just say it, actually happening?

As a feminist, I know that breaking down the toxic social expectations around women is work intended to free them. To allow them to experience life and been understood as the whole and complicated people we all are.

I know that men are just as trapped and just as much in need of liberation. That is, if they can face their fears of anything coded as feminine, gay, or merely different.

Aren’t men supposed to be brave?

Men don’t have to be anything. You just have to be you. Fuck defining that.


******
More stupidity from the "Everyday Feminist" website. This guy is a straight white male, but he still wants us to feel sorry for him because he got teased as a kid for being too "feminine" in his choice of books, music, and TV shows.

I'd like to drop this guy anywhere in Africa, where people have real problems: lack of clean water, lawlessness, war, famine, genocide, AIDS, etc.

Scares you, doesn't it? :itsok:


It's silliness. The author makes the same error his tormentors did. That manly-men are in need of change to be more like himself.
 
Dear Men: Toxic Masculinity Is Imprisoning Us, and It’s Time to Set Ourselves Free

Dear Men: Toxic Masculinity Is Imprisoning Us, and It’s Time to Set Ourselves Free
January 8, 2016 by David Greenwald

When I was a small, school-age child, perhaps seven or eight, I brought a new book to class for morning reading.

It happened to be Baby Island, a 1937 novel that Wikipedia describes as “Robinson Crusoe… but with four babies.” My intention, on that brisk fall morning, was to pull the paperback out of my backpack and open it to my bookmark.

“What is that? Why are you reading that?” someone asked. A cluster formed around my desk, to see the boy who was not reading a very boyish book.

Babies, of course, were the realm of moms – of women. I wasn’t sure what to say. It was a story. I wanted to find out what happened next.

There was never a restriction, in my house, of what a boy should or should not consume. I read Nancy Drew and the Hardy Boys both. The complete Anne of Green Gables saga. Little House on the Prairie and all the (admittedly tedious) sequels.

And eventually science fiction and fantasy, in which I read male authors – Orson Scott Card, Isaac Asimov, Ray Bradbury – as well as women such as Margaret Weiss, J.K. Rowling, and Madeleine L’Engle.

With age came music. At summer camp before junior year, as my bunkmates obsessed over Sublime and the Red Hot Chili Peppers and taped scissored posters of women in bikinis (and less) on the walls, I was hiding my Fiona Apple cassette.

High school wasn’t any different. It was the height of Limp Bizkit: The men of Ventura High were expected to listen to music that was heavy and hard. Punk at least, but metal was even better. I liked some of that: Everclear and Blink-182 and a few more, but mostly I was interested in Ben Folds Five and Elliott Smith, and drew scorn for it.

Eventually, I found the weird kids and the outcasts and started worrying about impressing music snobs instead, but there were always new lines being drawn.

In college, I had to defend watching Sex and the City episodes. Cocktails? Those were “girly drinks.” To be a man was to drink corporate beer and do shots, perhaps because the point was to get drunk enough to forget being a man wasn’t much fun.

And there was always the ugly static of someone, perhaps a friend, using “gay” or worse as a slur to describe another man’s clothing choices, attitude, haircut, whatever.

I know now, thanks to my parents and the remarkable independent bookstore I spent my childhood in, that I was receiving an early lesson in equality, open-mindedness, and feminism.

I am grateful that somehow that was enough to carry me onward through non-masculine-approved behavior — through music, through watching Sailor Moon before school every morning, through not giving a shit about football.

Rejecting male critiques, as a man, was a pretty easy burden for me to bear. I am white, straight, and cisgender: I never had to deal with the abuse and marginalization that faces people of color and the LGBTQIA+ community.

The worst thing to happen to me as a Jew, besides a lingering sense of otherness, was going to middle school with a pair of skinhead neo-Nazis who knew a few slurs, but never got around to beating any of us up.

And yet, at every turn, the masculine path was clearly set in front of me. Strength, anger, endurance, violence, stoicism. This is for boys, this is for girls. Don’t dress like this, don’t watch this, don’t listen to this. Don’t, don’t, don’t.

What could possibly happen, dudes? Could it be that we might experience a wider view of the human experience? Could it be that women are people and sensitivity is a universal quality? Could it be that Fiona Apple is a better songwriter than Bob Dylan?

This morning, after engaging on Twitter with a man heckling feminists and “beta males” (that term a truly awful feat of insecurity and self-denial), I received a handful of heckles myself: mostly, comments that I own a cat.

This was the worst they could come up with: I am a failed man, a beta male incapable of reason or seriousness because I own a foster animal that isn’t a dog. Or isn’t a 150-pound police-trained killer. Or isn’t an actual fire-breathing dragon. I don’t know, I must’ve set the Man Rules e-mails to spam.

The effort to define manhood is a source of artificial strength, a buttress against crumbling walls. Men who aspire to such stereotypes are searching for a safe and simple path, the same way people turn toward religion or any form of dogma.

If you never have to look outside your prison walls, you never have to be afraid of what you might encounter. Thinking for yourself eases away. The world never changes, and we know change is hard.

I think the white-knuckled grip some men keep on what defines a man, on trying to forever be some ersatz version of John Wayne or Batman or Han Solo or a SEAL Team 6 commando who also drinks scotch and fights fires, is a form of sad self-defense — a suffocating shield, being brandished as a sword.

Consider, oh male reader, someone you disagree with: a climate change denier or Ku Klux Klan member, maybe. Aren’t they clinging to an old idea of the world, one they can control, one that isn’t new or different or equal or, let’s just say it, actually happening?

As a feminist, I know that breaking down the toxic social expectations around women is work intended to free them. To allow them to experience life and been understood as the whole and complicated people we all are.

I know that men are just as trapped and just as much in need of liberation. That is, if they can face their fears of anything coded as feminine, gay, or merely different.

Aren’t men supposed to be brave?

Men don’t have to be anything. You just have to be you. Fuck defining that.


******
More stupidity from the "Everyday Feminist" website. This guy is a straight white male, but he still wants us to feel sorry for him because he got teased as a kid for being too "feminine" in his choice of books, music, and TV shows.

I'd like to drop this guy anywhere in Africa, where people have real problems: lack of clean water, lawlessness, war, famine, genocide, AIDS, etc.
A truly idiotic thread premise.

Many conservatives get upset over ridiculous non-issues.

That or it’s another example of the right’s politics of fear, attempting to propagate their inane lie about how ‘awful’ everything is supposed to be.
 
Dear Men: Toxic Masculinity Is Imprisoning Us, and It’s Time to Set Ourselves Free

Dear Men: Toxic Masculinity Is Imprisoning Us, and It’s Time to Set Ourselves Free
January 8, 2016 by David Greenwald

When I was a small, school-age child, perhaps seven or eight, I brought a new book to class for morning reading.

It happened to be Baby Island, a 1937 novel that Wikipedia describes as “Robinson Crusoe… but with four babies.” My intention, on that brisk fall morning, was to pull the paperback out of my backpack and open it to my bookmark.

“What is that? Why are you reading that?” someone asked. A cluster formed around my desk, to see the boy who was not reading a very boyish book.

Babies, of course, were the realm of moms – of women. I wasn’t sure what to say. It was a story. I wanted to find out what happened next.

There was never a restriction, in my house, of what a boy should or should not consume. I read Nancy Drew and the Hardy Boys both. The complete Anne of Green Gables saga. Little House on the Prairie and all the (admittedly tedious) sequels.

And eventually science fiction and fantasy, in which I read male authors – Orson Scott Card, Isaac Asimov, Ray Bradbury – as well as women such as Margaret Weiss, J.K. Rowling, and Madeleine L’Engle.

With age came music. At summer camp before junior year, as my bunkmates obsessed over Sublime and the Red Hot Chili Peppers and taped scissored posters of women in bikinis (and less) on the walls, I was hiding my Fiona Apple cassette.

High school wasn’t any different. It was the height of Limp Bizkit: The men of Ventura High were expected to listen to music that was heavy and hard. Punk at least, but metal was even better. I liked some of that: Everclear and Blink-182 and a few more, but mostly I was interested in Ben Folds Five and Elliott Smith, and drew scorn for it.

Eventually, I found the weird kids and the outcasts and started worrying about impressing music snobs instead, but there were always new lines being drawn.

In college, I had to defend watching Sex and the City episodes. Cocktails? Those were “girly drinks.” To be a man was to drink corporate beer and do shots, perhaps because the point was to get drunk enough to forget being a man wasn’t much fun.

And there was always the ugly static of someone, perhaps a friend, using “gay” or worse as a slur to describe another man’s clothing choices, attitude, haircut, whatever.

I know now, thanks to my parents and the remarkable independent bookstore I spent my childhood in, that I was receiving an early lesson in equality, open-mindedness, and feminism.

I am grateful that somehow that was enough to carry me onward through non-masculine-approved behavior — through music, through watching Sailor Moon before school every morning, through not giving a shit about football.

Rejecting male critiques, as a man, was a pretty easy burden for me to bear. I am white, straight, and cisgender: I never had to deal with the abuse and marginalization that faces people of color and the LGBTQIA+ community.

The worst thing to happen to me as a Jew, besides a lingering sense of otherness, was going to middle school with a pair of skinhead neo-Nazis who knew a few slurs, but never got around to beating any of us up.

And yet, at every turn, the masculine path was clearly set in front of me. Strength, anger, endurance, violence, stoicism. This is for boys, this is for girls. Don’t dress like this, don’t watch this, don’t listen to this. Don’t, don’t, don’t.

What could possibly happen, dudes? Could it be that we might experience a wider view of the human experience? Could it be that women are people and sensitivity is a universal quality? Could it be that Fiona Apple is a better songwriter than Bob Dylan?

This morning, after engaging on Twitter with a man heckling feminists and “beta males” (that term a truly awful feat of insecurity and self-denial), I received a handful of heckles myself: mostly, comments that I own a cat.

This was the worst they could come up with: I am a failed man, a beta male incapable of reason or seriousness because I own a foster animal that isn’t a dog. Or isn’t a 150-pound police-trained killer. Or isn’t an actual fire-breathing dragon. I don’t know, I must’ve set the Man Rules e-mails to spam.

The effort to define manhood is a source of artificial strength, a buttress against crumbling walls. Men who aspire to such stereotypes are searching for a safe and simple path, the same way people turn toward religion or any form of dogma.

If you never have to look outside your prison walls, you never have to be afraid of what you might encounter. Thinking for yourself eases away. The world never changes, and we know change is hard.

I think the white-knuckled grip some men keep on what defines a man, on trying to forever be some ersatz version of John Wayne or Batman or Han Solo or a SEAL Team 6 commando who also drinks scotch and fights fires, is a form of sad self-defense — a suffocating shield, being brandished as a sword.

Consider, oh male reader, someone you disagree with: a climate change denier or Ku Klux Klan member, maybe. Aren’t they clinging to an old idea of the world, one they can control, one that isn’t new or different or equal or, let’s just say it, actually happening?

As a feminist, I know that breaking down the toxic social expectations around women is work intended to free them. To allow them to experience life and been understood as the whole and complicated people we all are.

I know that men are just as trapped and just as much in need of liberation. That is, if they can face their fears of anything coded as feminine, gay, or merely different.

Aren’t men supposed to be brave?

Men don’t have to be anything. You just have to be you. Fuck defining that.


******
More stupidity from the "Everyday Feminist" website. This guy is a straight white male, but he still wants us to feel sorry for him because he got teased as a kid for being too "feminine" in his choice of books, music, and TV shows.

I'd like to drop this guy anywhere in Africa, where people have real problems: lack of clean water, lawlessness, war, famine, genocide, AIDS, etc.
Except for the "straight" part, I was sure that was Stats.
 
Dear Men: Toxic Masculinity Is Imprisoning Us, and It’s Time to Set Ourselves Free

Dear Men: Toxic Masculinity Is Imprisoning Us, and It’s Time to Set Ourselves Free
January 8, 2016 by David Greenwald

When I was a small, school-age child, perhaps seven or eight, I brought a new book to class for morning reading.

It happened to be Baby Island, a 1937 novel that Wikipedia describes as “Robinson Crusoe… but with four babies.” My intention, on that brisk fall morning, was to pull the paperback out of my backpack and open it to my bookmark.

“What is that? Why are you reading that?” someone asked. A cluster formed around my desk, to see the boy who was not reading a very boyish book.

Babies, of course, were the realm of moms – of women. I wasn’t sure what to say. It was a story. I wanted to find out what happened next.

There was never a restriction, in my house, of what a boy should or should not consume. I read Nancy Drew and the Hardy Boys both. The complete Anne of Green Gables saga. Little House on the Prairie and all the (admittedly tedious) sequels.

And eventually science fiction and fantasy, in which I read male authors – Orson Scott Card, Isaac Asimov, Ray Bradbury – as well as women such as Margaret Weiss, J.K. Rowling, and Madeleine L’Engle.

With age came music. At summer camp before junior year, as my bunkmates obsessed over Sublime and the Red Hot Chili Peppers and taped scissored posters of women in bikinis (and less) on the walls, I was hiding my Fiona Apple cassette.

High school wasn’t any different. It was the height of Limp Bizkit: The men of Ventura High were expected to listen to music that was heavy and hard. Punk at least, but metal was even better. I liked some of that: Everclear and Blink-182 and a few more, but mostly I was interested in Ben Folds Five and Elliott Smith, and drew scorn for it.

Eventually, I found the weird kids and the outcasts and started worrying about impressing music snobs instead, but there were always new lines being drawn.

In college, I had to defend watching Sex and the City episodes. Cocktails? Those were “girly drinks.” To be a man was to drink corporate beer and do shots, perhaps because the point was to get drunk enough to forget being a man wasn’t much fun.

And there was always the ugly static of someone, perhaps a friend, using “gay” or worse as a slur to describe another man’s clothing choices, attitude, haircut, whatever.

I know now, thanks to my parents and the remarkable independent bookstore I spent my childhood in, that I was receiving an early lesson in equality, open-mindedness, and feminism.

I am grateful that somehow that was enough to carry me onward through non-masculine-approved behavior — through music, through watching Sailor Moon before school every morning, through not giving a shit about football.

Rejecting male critiques, as a man, was a pretty easy burden for me to bear. I am white, straight, and cisgender: I never had to deal with the abuse and marginalization that faces people of color and the LGBTQIA+ community.

The worst thing to happen to me as a Jew, besides a lingering sense of otherness, was going to middle school with a pair of skinhead neo-Nazis who knew a few slurs, but never got around to beating any of us up.

And yet, at every turn, the masculine path was clearly set in front of me. Strength, anger, endurance, violence, stoicism. This is for boys, this is for girls. Don’t dress like this, don’t watch this, don’t listen to this. Don’t, don’t, don’t.

What could possibly happen, dudes? Could it be that we might experience a wider view of the human experience? Could it be that women are people and sensitivity is a universal quality? Could it be that Fiona Apple is a better songwriter than Bob Dylan?

This morning, after engaging on Twitter with a man heckling feminists and “beta males” (that term a truly awful feat of insecurity and self-denial), I received a handful of heckles myself: mostly, comments that I own a cat.

This was the worst they could come up with: I am a failed man, a beta male incapable of reason or seriousness because I own a foster animal that isn’t a dog. Or isn’t a 150-pound police-trained killer. Or isn’t an actual fire-breathing dragon. I don’t know, I must’ve set the Man Rules e-mails to spam.

The effort to define manhood is a source of artificial strength, a buttress against crumbling walls. Men who aspire to such stereotypes are searching for a safe and simple path, the same way people turn toward religion or any form of dogma.

If you never have to look outside your prison walls, you never have to be afraid of what you might encounter. Thinking for yourself eases away. The world never changes, and we know change is hard.

I think the white-knuckled grip some men keep on what defines a man, on trying to forever be some ersatz version of John Wayne or Batman or Han Solo or a SEAL Team 6 commando who also drinks scotch and fights fires, is a form of sad self-defense — a suffocating shield, being brandished as a sword.

Consider, oh male reader, someone you disagree with: a climate change denier or Ku Klux Klan member, maybe. Aren’t they clinging to an old idea of the world, one they can control, one that isn’t new or different or equal or, let’s just say it, actually happening?

As a feminist, I know that breaking down the toxic social expectations around women is work intended to free them. To allow them to experience life and been understood as the whole and complicated people we all are.

I know that men are just as trapped and just as much in need of liberation. That is, if they can face their fears of anything coded as feminine, gay, or merely different.

Aren’t men supposed to be brave?

Men don’t have to be anything. You just have to be you. Fuck defining that.


******
More stupidity from the "Everyday Feminist" website. This guy is a straight white male, but he still wants us to feel sorry for him because he got teased as a kid for being too "feminine" in his choice of books, music, and TV shows.

I'd like to drop this guy anywhere in Africa, where people have real problems: lack of clean water, lawlessness, war, famine, genocide, AIDS, etc.

Scares you, doesn't it? :itsok:


It's silliness. The author makes the same error his tormentors did. That manly-men are in need of change to be more like himself.

I don't read it that way at all -- I see a heavily satirical observation of the silly bullshit that gender roles is.

And that -- the idea of questioning those roles -- scares the living shit out of the OP.
 
You guys all missed the point.

Each member of this new kind of "feminism" are writing articles explaining why they are victims of "white male privilege."

And this guy, even though he is a white male, and straight, is trying to get on board on the grounds that he has tastes in music and movies that are "feminine' and that little boys picked on him when he was in elementary school.

Also, I did not wallow in self-pity because I didn't get into Harvard. My grades and LSAT score were nowhere near what I would need to get into Harvard.

I was merely stating the fact that Barack Hussein Obama would never had been admitted to Harvard because he was not qualified. They let him in anyway because he was black. They let him be Editior in Chief of Harvard Law Review because he was black. He never wrote an article with his name on it, and got away with it because he was black.

And when he got out of law school, he failed as a lawyer, so he had to go into "community organizing" which means whatever you want it to mean.

His two books, which weren't written by him, are what saved him from destitution. And his publishing agent listed him as born in Kenya. Obama has never explained how that happened.
 
Dear Men: Toxic Masculinity Is Imprisoning Us, and It’s Time to Set Ourselves Free

Dear Men: Toxic Masculinity Is Imprisoning Us, and It’s Time to Set Ourselves Free
January 8, 2016 by David Greenwald

When I was a small, school-age child, perhaps seven or eight, I brought a new book to class for morning reading.

It happened to be Baby Island, a 1937 novel that Wikipedia describes as “Robinson Crusoe… but with four babies.” My intention, on that brisk fall morning, was to pull the paperback out of my backpack and open it to my bookmark.

“What is that? Why are you reading that?” someone asked. A cluster formed around my desk, to see the boy who was not reading a very boyish book.

Babies, of course, were the realm of moms – of women. I wasn’t sure what to say. It was a story. I wanted to find out what happened next.

There was never a restriction, in my house, of what a boy should or should not consume. I read Nancy Drew and the Hardy Boys both. The complete Anne of Green Gables saga. Little House on the Prairie and all the (admittedly tedious) sequels.

And eventually science fiction and fantasy, in which I read male authors – Orson Scott Card, Isaac Asimov, Ray Bradbury – as well as women such as Margaret Weiss, J.K. Rowling, and Madeleine L’Engle.

With age came music. At summer camp before junior year, as my bunkmates obsessed over Sublime and the Red Hot Chili Peppers and taped scissored posters of women in bikinis (and less) on the walls, I was hiding my Fiona Apple cassette.

High school wasn’t any different. It was the height of Limp Bizkit: The men of Ventura High were expected to listen to music that was heavy and hard. Punk at least, but metal was even better. I liked some of that: Everclear and Blink-182 and a few more, but mostly I was interested in Ben Folds Five and Elliott Smith, and drew scorn for it.

Eventually, I found the weird kids and the outcasts and started worrying about impressing music snobs instead, but there were always new lines being drawn.

In college, I had to defend watching Sex and the City episodes. Cocktails? Those were “girly drinks.” To be a man was to drink corporate beer and do shots, perhaps because the point was to get drunk enough to forget being a man wasn’t much fun.

And there was always the ugly static of someone, perhaps a friend, using “gay” or worse as a slur to describe another man’s clothing choices, attitude, haircut, whatever.

I know now, thanks to my parents and the remarkable independent bookstore I spent my childhood in, that I was receiving an early lesson in equality, open-mindedness, and feminism.

I am grateful that somehow that was enough to carry me onward through non-masculine-approved behavior — through music, through watching Sailor Moon before school every morning, through not giving a shit about football.

Rejecting male critiques, as a man, was a pretty easy burden for me to bear. I am white, straight, and cisgender: I never had to deal with the abuse and marginalization that faces people of color and the LGBTQIA+ community.

The worst thing to happen to me as a Jew, besides a lingering sense of otherness, was going to middle school with a pair of skinhead neo-Nazis who knew a few slurs, but never got around to beating any of us up.

And yet, at every turn, the masculine path was clearly set in front of me. Strength, anger, endurance, violence, stoicism. This is for boys, this is for girls. Don’t dress like this, don’t watch this, don’t listen to this. Don’t, don’t, don’t.

What could possibly happen, dudes? Could it be that we might experience a wider view of the human experience? Could it be that women are people and sensitivity is a universal quality? Could it be that Fiona Apple is a better songwriter than Bob Dylan?

This morning, after engaging on Twitter with a man heckling feminists and “beta males” (that term a truly awful feat of insecurity and self-denial), I received a handful of heckles myself: mostly, comments that I own a cat.

This was the worst they could come up with: I am a failed man, a beta male incapable of reason or seriousness because I own a foster animal that isn’t a dog. Or isn’t a 150-pound police-trained killer. Or isn’t an actual fire-breathing dragon. I don’t know, I must’ve set the Man Rules e-mails to spam.

The effort to define manhood is a source of artificial strength, a buttress against crumbling walls. Men who aspire to such stereotypes are searching for a safe and simple path, the same way people turn toward religion or any form of dogma.

If you never have to look outside your prison walls, you never have to be afraid of what you might encounter. Thinking for yourself eases away. The world never changes, and we know change is hard.

I think the white-knuckled grip some men keep on what defines a man, on trying to forever be some ersatz version of John Wayne or Batman or Han Solo or a SEAL Team 6 commando who also drinks scotch and fights fires, is a form of sad self-defense — a suffocating shield, being brandished as a sword.

Consider, oh male reader, someone you disagree with: a climate change denier or Ku Klux Klan member, maybe. Aren’t they clinging to an old idea of the world, one they can control, one that isn’t new or different or equal or, let’s just say it, actually happening?

As a feminist, I know that breaking down the toxic social expectations around women is work intended to free them. To allow them to experience life and been understood as the whole and complicated people we all are.

I know that men are just as trapped and just as much in need of liberation. That is, if they can face their fears of anything coded as feminine, gay, or merely different.

Aren’t men supposed to be brave?

Men don’t have to be anything. You just have to be you. Fuck defining that.


******
More stupidity from the "Everyday Feminist" website. This guy is a straight white male, but he still wants us to feel sorry for him because he got teased as a kid for being too "feminine" in his choice of books, music, and TV shows.

I'd like to drop this guy anywhere in Africa, where people have real problems: lack of clean water, lawlessness, war, famine, genocide, AIDS, etc.
A truly idiotic thread premise.

Many conservatives get upset over ridiculous non-issues.

That or it’s another example of the right’s politics of fear, attempting to propagate their inane lie about how ‘awful’ everything is supposed to be.

Dear C_Clayton_Jones
It seems the left and right both do this.
The Left goes on and on at how awful the health care was
and how wonderful the reforms are.
The Right goes on and on at how wonderful the US free market was
and how awful the reforms are that are destroying.

You are right that the right does this, too, when they have an agenda.
They also complain the left is the one doing it.

They both say the other is so awful, and their solutions are so good.

The difference is the right and far left both push for independence from govt.
The left and right playing politics push people to depend on party and govt.

So as long as the independent right and independent left stay divided,
the two teams can't team up and solve problems exploited by the
politicized left and the politicized rights that members of both parties are trying to get rid of.

When we quit the blame game and start teaming up more,
the bullying divide and conquer game will stop. No more brats and bullies,
victim mentality, denial and projection.

We need to "man up" team up and fix up things ourselves.
Then we will be in a better position to tell govt what solutions we want to fund
instead of fighting over problems.

From victimhood to victory:
Less whining, more winning!
 
Sounds good in theory, but when Republicans say they will "reach across the aisle" to Democrats, what it really means is that both parties are working on the next step of the Democratic agenda. Democrats NEVER "reach across the aisle" to work with Republicans. Since Democrats are good, and righteous, and just, they don't have to compromise because Republicans torture cats and kick dogs.
 
To be a man was to drink corporate beer and do shots, perhaps because the point was to get drunk enough to forget being a man wasn’t much fun.

You're doing it wrong if all you're getting out of keggers is a sense of self-loathing about being a man.
 
I just don't see the problem. There's plenty of straight men who don't really care about sports, or drinking beer, or hiring prostitutes or whatever white men do in this person's fevered imagination.

The real test of manhood aren't any of these things. The real test of manhood is living up to your responsibilities as a husband and father. There was a group called "Promise Keepers" which was a group of Christian men who promise to live up to their responsibilities.

Funny thing is that the feminist movement decided that Promise Keepers were their worst enemies, thus proving that the feminist movement is literally insane.

NOW had no problem with Clinton, who abused and raped women, but they hate a group teaching that men should be loving husbands and fathers.
 
I just don't see the problem. There's plenty of straight men who don't really care about sports, or drinking beer, or hiring prostitutes or whatever white men do in this person's fevered imagination.

The real test of manhood aren't any of these things. The real test of manhood is living up to your responsibilities as a husband and father. There was a group called "Promise Keepers" which was a group of Christian men who promise to live up to their responsibilities.

Funny thing is that the feminist movement decided that Promise Keepers were their worst enemies, thus proving that the feminist movement is literally insane.

NOW had no problem with Clinton, who abused and raped women, but they hate a group teaching that men should be loving husbands and fathers.

If anything people who try too hard to act "masculine" annoy the piss out of me.

"I drink beer, watch sports, burp, and scratch my nuts."

How about you go to work, support your family, and shut the fuck up?
 

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