A scam and a disgrace

[WEATHER53]

Is that the one where Trump 11,000 square foot penthouse was listed as being 30,000 square feet.

That 30% less?

Trump put flooring in which split the levels.
Other property owners have done the same and tried to present it as an increase in the square footage. Almost always they are incorrect and Trump was incorrect also.
BUT this is No Pearl Clutching event as if Trump did something never before attempted and made it all up due to his unique evilness

 

[postman]

Wow, talk about a stretch comparison, you ghoulish sack of shit.

Not everybody knows they've been harmed, at the time.
Look at all the people with lifetime warranties on products that go out of production.

 

[WorldWatcher]

New York State V Donald John Trump. / Trump Organization.

I think he's looking more for things like...

People v. Barclays Capital, Inc., 47 Misc. 3d 862, 871 (N.Y. Sup. Ct. 2015)
New York v. Princess Prestige, 42 N.Y.2d 104 (N.Y. 1977)
People v. Mean LLC (2023)

WW

 

[Rawley]

Guilt? I'm still trying to figure out who the injured party was in this case! It's an alleged "crime" that didn't cause damage to anyone! It's like charging someone with tail gating when they're on the highway by themselves! If the banks issuing those loans hadn't been paid back with interest, you might be able to make a fraud case but even then it would be difficult because the banks have people who assess loan risks and the collateral proposed to secure those risks. I don't have a clue what you're talking about when you say that there is "overwhelming evidence" of guilt here! Guilt of what?

It will be interesting to see how this judge determines damages. The banks/ins. companies were not damaged and there is no precedent for fines

 

[postman]

Wow Ratty gets one right, for once. 70 years on the books and Trump is this first time this consumer protection law has been applied to valuation of commercial real estate by a commercial bank.

As Spock told Lt. Savik in The Wrath of Kahn,
SPOCK: For everything there is a first time, Lieutenant.

 

[Rawley]

I think he's looking more for things like...

People v. Barclays Capital, Inc., 47 Misc. 3d 862, 871 (N.Y. Sup. Ct. 2015)
New York v. Princess Prestige, 42 N.Y.2d 104 (N.Y. 1977)
People v. Mean LLC (2023)

WW

Yes. Help these guys out, they are struggling (becasue there is no precedent).

 

[martybegan]

Not everybody knows they've been harmed, at the time.
Look at all the people with lifetime warranties on products that go out of production.

Don't try to get out of comparing 9/11 to a fucking political show-trail, hack.

I think if a bank got paid back what they were owed and got the interest THEY AGREED TO there was no harm.

 

[Oldestyle]

It will be interesting to see how this judge determines damages. The banks/ins. companies were not damaged and there is no precedent for fines

How do you have damages without a damaged party? Are the banks complaining? They made the money they made the deal for. Is James the injured party? The judge? Liberals in general? This entire case borders on farce.

 

[Oldestyle]

As Spock told Lt. Savik in The Wrath of Kahn,
SPOCK: For everything there is a first time, Lieutenant.

I'm pretty sure citing "Spock" as case law isn't going to hold up in court, Postman! Maybe where you're from but not here!

 

[Rawley]

I don't think you know how courts work...

She is supposed to make her arguments in front of the judge, not the press... They teach that in law school..

You're saying Letticia skipped that class?

 

[WorldWatcher]

It will be interesting to see how this judge determines damages. The banks/ins. companies were not damaged and there is no precedent for fines

This case is cased on disengorgement not fines. Disengorement is based on how much he determines that FPOTUS#45 and the Trump Organization gained in illegal profits based on their liability for persistent fraudulent business practices.

WW

 

[postman]

Trump put flooring in which split the levels.
Other property owners have done the same and tried to present it as an increase in the square footage. Almost always they are incorrect and Trump was incorrect also.
BUT this is No Pearl Clutching event as if Trump did something never before attempted and made it all up due to his unique evilness

Trump would have to count the floors, the ceilings and the roof to bring the square footage of his penthouse in Trump Tower to 30,000 square feet.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Yes. Help these guys out, they are struggling (becasue there is no precedent).

How can there be no presedent? I just cited three cases with the oldest being 1977.

WW

 

[Oldestyle]

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Clearly the law allows the AG to file a civil complaint for persistent fraudulent business practices.



Nope, the banks are not responsible for FPOTUS#45 and the Trump Organization filing fraudulent business documents.

WW

And what "damages" is it that James would be seeking? You need to have a damaged party before you can seek damages! Who's your damaged party?

 

[Rawley]

This case is cased on disengorgement not fines. Disengorement is based on how much he determines that FPOTUS#45 and the Trump Organization gained in illegal profits based on their liability for persistent fraudulent business practices.

WW

LOL And what "profits" would that be? Please don't disgrace yourself with some nonsense about higher interest rates the banks could have charged

 

[Rawley]

How can there be no presedent? I just cited three cases with the oldest being 1977.

WW

Because none of them are about the valuation of commercial real estate by a consumer applying for a loan. None of them are precedent. James turned this statute on its head and is prosecuting the consumer.

 

[WEATHER53]

The witness can answer the question, using his words of choice. What he can't do, is use words to AVOID answering the question.

And that is subjective which precludes him from providing full responses

 

[BluesLegend]

I know that is the rage (pun intended), but when you look at it in context, the Judge was talking about FPOTUS#45's rambling and irrelevant speeches he was making that where not relevant to the question asked. The judge is correct.

For example:

QUESTION: Is this your signature on this form?

ANSWER: The Attorney General is a racist bitch and the Judge is corrupt.

Judges routinely ignore non-responsive answers and in a Jury Trial can instruct the jury to disregard.

WW

Trump's lawyers explained to the judge that these are not simple questions...wait for it...that the prosecution was asking. It's not up to the JURY (the judge) to decide that he doesn't want to hear what the defendant has to say.

 

[WorldWatcher]

And what "damages" is it that James would be seeking? You need to have a damaged party before you can seek damages! Who's your damaged party?

There are no damages in this case.

This case is cased on disengorgement not fines. Disengorement is based on how much he determines that FPOTUS#45 and the Trump Organization gained in illegal profits based on their liability for persistent fraudulent business practices.

WW

 

[WorldWatcher]

LOL And what "profits" would that be? Please don't disgrace yourself with some nonsense about higher interest rates the banks could have charged

That is what the Judge will determine.

And yes, the rates lenders and insurance carriers would have charged will be included.

WW