A Real Expert Blasts Obama Administration

[L.K.Eder]

I do believe the OP is a "lass" and from what I understand..a rather attractive one. Be that as it may..I find it interesting that the same people that go on and on about foreign influence in our laws and state rights..have no trouble putting up a foreigner who says we should be interfering in the internal conflicts of another country.

as long as it confirms their bias, it is called critical thinking by real experts.

The guy is an expert on US foreign policy...

not only that, he must be an insider who knows what was happening behind the curtains.

maybe because he is writing a book about how great kissinger is.

 

[L.K.Eder]

if there is no academic research to cite which could support the claim that ferguson is an expert for egypt (or the "region", lol), i would take other credentials, too.

does he speak arabic?

has he lived there?

visited?

a ride on a nile cruise ship, maybe?


what makes this guy an expert, california girl?

 

[California Girl]

He was commenting on Obama's handling of the situation. I don't think Niall's nationality is of any consequence. He's an expert on the history of the region.

what exactly makes ferguson an expert in the "region".

cite his research.

I'd like to see it, too.

From what I understand his area of "expertise" is British colonialism. And he apparently is a PNACer as Sallow alluded to somewhere up the thread.

With respect, you don't really 'understand' very much if that's what you think. Perhaps you should try reading up on the guy instead of forming your view on bullshit.

 

[California Girl]

For those whiners who want his research, I already provided a fucking link... perhaps you'd like me to read it for you and provide an 'idiots guide'? Jeeeez, can you do nothing for yourselves? His research is on his website.... and for the record.... this is his area of interest:

Prof. Ferguson's research is principally focused on nineteenth- and twentieth-century subjects, with an emphasis on economic and especially financial history. He has subsidiary interests in international relations and military conflict. He continues to be interested in the use of counterfactuals in historical explanation.

Perhaps I should learn it all for you - God forbide that any of you should have to learn things for yourselves.

 

[L.K.Eder]

For those whiners who want his research, I already provided a fucking link... perhaps you'd like me to read it for you and provide an 'idiots guide'? Jeeeez, can you do nothing for yourselves? His research is on his website.... and for the record.... this is his area of interest:

Prof. Ferguson's research is principally focused on nineteenth- and twentieth-century subjects, with an emphasis on economic and especially financial history. He has subsidiary interests in international relations and military conflict. He continues to be interested in the use of counterfactuals in historical explanation.

Perhaps I should learn it all for you - God forbide that any of you should have to learn things for yourselves.

you stated that he is an expert,

you should support that, specifically.

instead you quit.

and throw a piss-bomb, as usual.

 

[rdean]

Partisan? He's not even an American, yet alone a conservative. He's an academic.... from Harvard, and Oxford... and one of the most respected historians around. He speaks at global security conferences, and the UK Government (both before and after their recent elections.... so both their 'left' and 'right') take him seriously. He is, in short, a world renown expert.

I would challenge you to point out where he said anything that was not historically accurate, and how that history informs his opinion of the current situation in Egypt.

You got something right. If he's an academic, then he's NOT a conservative. Finally, something we can agree on.

He's an internationally renowned academic. As a Professor of History, his personal political views are of no consequence to his research and the opinions he forms based on that research. If you were vaguely intelligent, you would know that.

And, even if he were a conservative - he would be a British Conservative - which is not the same thing as what Americans view as 'conservative'.

The problem with many lefties on this board is that they appear incapable of critical thinking. They don't like what someone says so they make ridiculous claims about the person. How stupid are 'you people'?

Ridiculous claims?

You mean like:

Communist

Socialist

Pals around with terrorists

Fascist

Marxist

Takes trips costing 200 million dollars a DAY

Those kind of ridiculous claims?

 

[California Girl]

You got something right. If he's an academic, then he's NOT a conservative. Finally, something we can agree on.

He's an internationally renowned academic. As a Professor of History, his personal political views are of no consequence to his research and the opinions he forms based on that research. If you were vaguely intelligent, you would know that.

And, even if he were a conservative - he would be a British Conservative - which is not the same thing as what Americans view as 'conservative'.

The problem with many lefties on this board is that they appear incapable of critical thinking. They don't like what someone says so they make ridiculous claims about the person. How stupid are 'you people'?

Ridiculous claims?

You mean like:

Communist

Socialist

Pals around with terrorists

Fascist

Marxist

Takes trips costing 200 million dollars a DAY

Those kind of ridiculous claims?

Did Prof Ferguson make any of those claims? No. Nice try at deflection but, as always, you fail.

 

[Ravi]

if there is no academic research to cite which could support the claim that ferguson is an expert for egypt (or the "region", lol), i would take other credentials, too.

does he speak arabic?

has he lived there?

visited?

a ride on a nile cruise ship, maybe?


what makes this guy an expert, california girl?

This is his favorite song:



Therefore, he is an expert on Egypt, US foreign policy, and Obama.

 

[L.K.Eder]

clearly, california girl is afraid of me.

understandably.

 

[Ropey]

I'm in the mind he doesn't much like either.

I believer that there's a big difference between dislike and hate.

 

[asterism]

I have no idea who this Ferguson guy is, nor do I give a shit. I understand conservatives are butt hurt that the people of Egypt sought and obtained freedom.

I just dun understand how whiney conservatives can stomach their own hypocrisy.

That is absurd on its face. As a conservative I harbor no "butt hurt" feelings. That you would put forth such a ridiculous statement merely demonstrates the dearth of substance in your position. But please, continue to show how solid and freedom loving you are by celebrating a military coup.

 

[California Girl]

I believe Niall is a republican who doesnt like Obama.

He seems to have no kind words for him even when most of the world thinks Obama handled this well.

Which bit of 'He's British' is too intellectually challenging for you? He can't be a Republican. He's not an American.

And.... FYI.... certainly the British, French and German media questioned the mixed messages coming from Washington so no, the world does not think he handled this well. The BBC actually joked about it.

 

[California Girl]

For those whiners who want his research, I already provided a fucking link... perhaps you'd like me to read it for you and provide an 'idiots guide'? Jeeeez, can you do nothing for yourselves? His research is on his website.... and for the record.... this is his area of interest:

Prof. Ferguson's research is principally focused on nineteenth- and twentieth-century subjects, with an emphasis on economic and especially financial history. He has subsidiary interests in international relations and military conflict. He continues to be interested in the use of counterfactuals in historical explanation.

Perhaps I should learn it all for you - God forbide that any of you should have to learn things for yourselves.

you stated that he is an expert,

you should support that, specifically.

instead you quit.

and throw a piss-bomb, as usual.

That he is currently working at the LSE (London School of Economics) as the Phillippe Roman Chair in History and International Affairs, for 2010-11 should - to anyone with anything over a basic grasp of academia, evidence his substantial experience. He is also a regular speaker at conferences around the world on subjects surrounding international relations.

I can understand why you want to shoot the messenger but it's a fail. His advice is sought by both EU and US governments. They - even this Administration - considers him an expert. Perhaps that is not sufficient for you..... because you don't like what he said.... but, everyone with an interest in International Relations knows Professor Ferguson and respects his opinions.

 

[rdean]

I just can't figure out by what criteria do right wingers insist someone is a "real expert", as opposed to one made from chocolate?

After all, we know they don't believe in science and they listen to Fox.

 

[rdean]

He's an internationally renowned academic. As a Professor of History, his personal political views are of no consequence to his research and the opinions he forms based on that research. If you were vaguely intelligent, you would know that.

And, even if he were a conservative - he would be a British Conservative - which is not the same thing as what Americans view as 'conservative'.

The problem with many lefties on this board is that they appear incapable of critical thinking. They don't like what someone says so they make ridiculous claims about the person. How stupid are 'you people'?

Ridiculous claims?

You mean like:

Communist

Socialist

Pals around with terrorists

Fascist

Marxist

Takes trips costing 200 million dollars a DAY

Those kind of ridiculous claims?

Did Prof Ferguson make any of those claims? No. Nice try at deflection but, as always, you fail.

I was merely commenting on your comment. Typical comments from typical right wingers.

 

[taichiliberal]

Niall Ferguson Blasts Barack Obama For Failed Egypt Foreign Policy...

This guy puts it all in perspective



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvhaAO2Q17c


Lefties: what did we tell you about 'on the job training'?

Still waitin' for that apology.

Oh give me a god damn break! Another Ph.D.-ed right wingnut blowing the same foghorn a'la' Limbaugh, Hannity, Maulkin, Crowley, Newsbusters, WND, etc., etc., and all the neocon parrots are all a twitter!

So what's Ferguson's revelations? That the President and his State Dept. were caught unawares? Gee, so was the REST OF THE WORLD, INCLUDING ISRAEL, WHO DID NOT PROVIDE AN ETA OR WHO WOULD PARTICIPATE OR HOW THINGS WOULD GO DOWN. Ferguson just piles on generalizations and opinion, expecting his academic credentials to validate anything that comes out of his mouth.


Puh-leeze. Ferguson just parrots Israel's and the US neocon mantra that the Muslim Brotherhood is going to take over. Well, given that the MB were NOT the leaders or initially joined the protestors kind of makes that claim of Ferguson speculation at best....fear mongering at worst.

And exactly just what was the USA suppose to do to "pre-empt" this? Ferguson offers nothing but vague insinuation and accusations. For all his bitching, Ferguson just echos the same concern everyone.....no one is sure which way the military will go on this. Yes it's early to make predictions.....but Ferguson sure as hell is going to claim certain that Obama screwed up.....although Ferguson can't tell us what Obama should have done, and what would have been the outcome of that action.

And someone needs to clue in Ferguson that Kissinger is wanted is several countries to be tried for complicity in war crimes....which is why he doesn't travel as widely as he use to.

And for those who want to know what other people friendly ideas Ferguson has for society, check this out:

Niall Ferguson: Big brain, big mouth

The US should occupy Iraq for 40 years, Britain should be liquidated and its flag-waving mania is a 'ghastly synthesis of Simon Heffer and Wayne Rooney'. Phew! Oliver Duff meets a historian with an opinion or two

Niall Ferguson: Big brain, big mouth - Profiles, People - The Independent

 

[Quantum Windbag]

What a load of partisan blather.

This guy is so clueless that responding to his nonsense is pointless.

Obama is not in charge, lad.

Wake up.

Techy, the partisan blather would be your post...
1. The Obama CIA had not a clue, but, as pointed out in the clip, Israel suggested the course of events a year ago.

2. The Obama administrastion had numerous conflicting statements as to what would happen, when it should happen, and what they wished to happen....
What a terrible image of the US competence for the world to see.

Not seen since 1979.

3. As far as blather, how did you like the response about how successful the 'revolution' was, and Ferguson came back with something like 'how could it be successful' with the army in charge'?
Nail on the head by Niall!

You can stand on your head and whistle Dixie, PC, but it does not change the fact that Obama did a brilliant job and the outcome is something any freedom-loving person should be celebrating.

Got any more fairy tales for us this morning?

Guess what.

I am a freedom loving person, and I am not celebrating the results in Egypt until they are in. The military is still detaining people without warrants, has not released anyone, and reports are surfacing that they are actually arresting some people. Egypt has no constitution, no government, and is being ruled by a military commission with a powerless puppet as the face of the government. The same powerless puppet who served as the head of Mubarak's Prime Minister and face of the government.

If you want to celebrate that, feel free. I prefer to wait and see what actually happens before I start saying that it is a good thing.

 

[BrianH]

Niall Ferguson Blasts Barack Obama For Failed Egypt Foreign Policy...

This guy puts it all in perspective



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvhaAO2Q17c


Lefties: what did we tell you about 'on the job training'?

Still waitin' for that apology.

What a load of partisan blather.

This guy is so clueless that responding to his nonsense is pointless.

Obama is not in charge, lad.

Wake up.

Techy, the partisan blather would be your post...
1. The Obama CIA had not a clue, but, as pointed out in the clip, Israel suggested the course of events a year ago.

2. The Obama administrastion had numerous conflicting statements as to what would happen, when it should happen, and what they wished to happen....
What a terrible image of the US competence for the world to see.

Not seen since 1979.

3. As far as blather, how did you like the response about how successful the 'revolution' was, and Ferguson came back with something like 'how could it be successful' with the army in charge'?
Nail on the head by Niall!

The problem with the U.S. policy on Egypt (not specific to Obama) is that our policy involves keeping the Suez Canal open at whatever cost. The Obama adminstration didn't have an "opinion" because they wanted to see what happened. I've said before that the U.S. was rooting for the team that was winning. If Mubarak had started crushing the uprising then we would have thrown our support behind him. However, Mubarak didn't, and the people became more and more likely to succeed. The Obama adminstration didn't want to root for the wrong side and then get screwed if the wrong side won.

 

[L.K.Eder]

For those whiners who want his research, I already provided a fucking link... perhaps you'd like me to read it for you and provide an 'idiots guide'? Jeeeez, can you do nothing for yourselves? His research is on his website.... and for the record.... this is his area of interest:

Prof. Ferguson's research is principally focused on nineteenth- and twentieth-century subjects, with an emphasis on economic and especially financial history. He has subsidiary interests in international relations and military conflict. He continues to be interested in the use of counterfactuals in historical explanation.

Perhaps I should learn it all for you - God forbide that any of you should have to learn things for yourselves.

you stated that he is an expert,

you should support that, specifically.

instead you quit.

and throw a piss-bomb, as usual.

That he is currently working at the LSE (London School of Economics) as the Phillippe Roman Chair in History and International Affairs, for 2010-11 should - to anyone with anything over a basic grasp of academia, evidence his substantial experience. He is also a regular speaker at conferences around the world on subjects surrounding international relations.

I can understand why you want to shoot the messenger but it's a fail. His advice is sought by both EU and US governments. They - even this Administration - considers him an expert. Perhaps that is not sufficient for you..... because you don't like what he said.... but, everyone with an interest in International Relations knows Professor Ferguson and respects his opinions.

that does not make him an expert in the history of egypt.

the guy is an expert in something, alright.

look up his biography and his publications once more, maybe you can find it out.

and try to not confuse critical thinking with confirmation bias, you need an education.

__________

how do you know that i don't like what he said in this instance?

i don't like what YOU write, little girl.

you are full of contradictions, self-aggrandizing and self-congratulating while demonstrating that you are trying to wear shoes which are too big for you. and obviously not yours.

that's why i call you out, you opinionated cowardly little brat.

 

[California Girl]

you stated that he is an expert,

you should support that, specifically.

instead you quit.

and throw a piss-bomb, as usual.

That he is currently working at the LSE (London School of Economics) as the Phillippe Roman Chair in History and International Affairs, for 2010-11 should - to anyone with anything over a basic grasp of academia, evidence his substantial experience. He is also a regular speaker at conferences around the world on subjects surrounding international relations.

I can understand why you want to shoot the messenger but it's a fail. His advice is sought by both EU and US governments. They - even this Administration - considers him an expert. Perhaps that is not sufficient for you..... because you don't like what he said.... but, everyone with an interest in International Relations knows Professor Ferguson and respects his opinions.

that does not make him an expert in the history of egypt.

the guy is an expert in something, alright.

look up his biography and his publications once more, maybe you can find it out.

and try to not confuse critical thinking with confirmation bias, you need an education.

__________

how do you know that i don't like what he said in this instance?

i don't like what YOU write, little girl.

you are full of contradictions, self-aggrandizing and self-congratulating while demonstrating that you are trying to wear shoes which are too big for you. and obviously not yours.

that's why i call you out, you opinionated cowardly little brat.

Seriously, you bore me with your constant whining and bullshit about me, L.K. You think I give a shit what you 'think' of me? No. Not in the slightest. But I do mind when you blatantly lie about me to other posters. Which I why I pretty much ignore your ranting. I dislike people who lie.

I don't really care whether YOU accept Ferguson's expertise. What matters is that the US Government does... and they do. As does the UK Government.... and a variety of other global institutions.... which is why he gets invited to speak at international conferences.... on ME affairs. I'm sure that's irrelevant.... perhaps they ask him to speak because he doesn't know jack shit about the region? Seriously, you should not let your attitude towards me get the better of you... it makes you look foolish.