A quick question about the shutdown.

[YoursTruly]

Shutdowns are boring.

 

[Nostra]

Link up to "land area" being how we elect a President.

Quote me saying it is, dumbass

 

[Nostra]

Actually, your contention. So you have nothing.
Or you would have posted it.

What was this “contention”?

Bring a quote.

Watch this…..

 

[kyzr]

And DEMs ran on health care (and have for decades).
Do the are doing what they were elected to do.
Things are not going to improve until the “my way or the highway” mentality by both parties subsides.
WW

Not happening. The staked-out positions are in direct opposition to each other.
There is no "compromise" possible.
Democrats want subsidized ACA, and Republicans want to kill Obamacare, or get it back to where it is unaffordable and just dies.
As usual, Trump may need to come up with some magic solution like he's doing with TrumpRx

 

[leftwinger]

Not quite, but believe as you will.

The Presidential vote was essentially 50/50 with vary close margins.

The Senate and House Chambers are also VERY close to 50/50 splits.

So the idea that the DEMs were rejected is fallacy.

WW

Built in Election Fraud big Blue states skew the numbers. West, NE, GL regions corrupt for decades. Now they leak into the south. NV, AZ, GA, NC etc.

Until states fix elections, things are fairly unbelievable & hopeless.

 

[postman]

Not happening. The staked-out positions are in direct opposition to each other.
There is no "compromise" possible.
Democrats want subsidized ACA, and Republicans want to kill Obamacare, or get it back to where it is unaffordable and just dies.
As usual, Trump may need to come up with some magic solution like he's doing with TrumpRx

Republicans have been trying to kill Obamacare from day one.

From the hundreds of bills passed in the house (but going nowhere) to repeal, dilute, or amend the ACA.

Their biggest assault before the "big beautiful bill" was to remove the "tax",
(setting it to zero)
which Chief Justice Roberts used as the constitutionally legal basis for the act of congress being wholly within it's constitutional powers.

 

[postman]

Built in Election Fraud big Blue states skew the numbers. West, NE, GL regions corrupt for decades. Now they leak into the south. NV, AZ, GA, NC etc.

Until states fix elections, things are fairly unbelievable & hopeless.

Except everybody investigating it.
Challenging it in court.
Or just spouting gibberish about election fraud, have provided no actually proof of their contention.

Should-a - would-a - could-a is not a recognized legal standard.

 

[hadit]

Look. Its 10-12M Americans who'd lose their insurance. You can ask any question about it that you want but at the end of the day that is the result. So, how you feel about that is up to you. If that doesnt bother you, then cool.

What bothers me is how many people bought hook line and sinker the line about how wonderful obamadon'tcare was and how many people were getting health insurance, blah, blah, blah that now are faced with "catastrophe" if we dare to go back to before the democrats put in TEMPORARY subsidies because the program couldn't stand on its own.

 

[Foxfyre]

A population of 13M people who will be able to keep their health insurance. Next question.

So they need to return to their home country where they are citizens, yes?

 

[citygator]

What bothers me is how many people bought hook line and sinker the line about how wonderful obamadon'tcare was and how many people were getting health insurance, blah, blah, blah that now are faced with "catastrophe" if we dare to go back to before the democrats put in TEMPORARY subsidies because the program couldn't stand on its own.

Uninsured went from 50M to 25M. That worked. Lots of people are insured now. Mostly in red states. I am with you. **** those hicks. Kick their asses off. The blue states are wealthy enough to handle their own insurance.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The government shouldn't stop because people in Washington can't get their poop together

Nice opinion. but that is not factual. The Dems need to be punished.

 

[ThisIsMe]

It's still 12M Americans excluding asylum seekers which is why I broke it out for you. Asylum seekers are not here illegally. Those 1M are legally here. But if you come into the country legally and are sitting in a detention center and need some healthcare what should happen? Shoot them?

You really think there are only 1 million here seeking asylum? Didn't biden have like 8 million crossings during his term alone?

If you are in the country illegally and sitting in a detention center, you are getting treatment from a local doctor most likely. You dont need to be on ACA for that.

But most aren't sitting in detention centers, are they? No, most are somewhere in the country, so we go back to, why should taxpayers have to foot the bill for Healthcare when most citizens are not getting Healthcare they need?

 

[kyzr]

You really think there are only 1 million here seeking asylum? Didn't biden have like 8 million crossings during his term alone?

These are CBP encounters. Biden lt about 12 million into the US. Trump let zero in.

If you are in the country illegally and sitting in a detention center, you are getting treatment from a local doctor most likely. You dont need to be on ACA for that.
But most aren't sitting in detention centers, are they? No, most are somewhere in the country, so we go back to, why should taxpayers have to foot the bill for Healthcare when most citizens are not getting Healthcare they need?

ICE needs to get all illegals out of the country. If they want back in, apply legally.

 

[postman]

These are CBP encounters. Biden lt about 12 million into the US. Trump let zero in.
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ICE needs to get all illegals out of the country. If they want back in, apply legally.

Actually ICE needs to get all the CRIMINAL illegals out of the country.
Make that their priority, and stop wasting resources on roofers, and hairdressers.

They have a limited amount of detention space, and immigration judges.

Use them wisely.

 

[Lesh]

Democrats will not pass the CR to re-open the government because the GOP will not agree to their demand to spend $1.5T(that we do not have) on health insurance subsidies.

What have the Democrats offered to the GOP in exchange for spending that $1.5T (that we do not have)?

Be sure to cite/copy/paste the reference for your response.

The subsidies do NOT add up to anything LIKE the 1.5 trillion we spend on ALL healthcare. They actually amount to 35 billion

So first we had the lie that it was about illegals being given healthcare.
Johnson has admitted that is false so now they lie about the cost.
And not just a little bit. They turn 35 billion into 1.5 trillion.
Even over 10 years that only 350 billion.

This whole thing is based on lie after lie by the GOP

 

[hadit]

Uninsured went from 50M to 25M. That worked. Lots of people are insured now. Mostly in red states. I am with you. **** those hicks. Kick their asses off. The blue states are wealthy enough to handle their own insurance.

It sounds like you're saying that it was great but will be bad if we go back to great.

 

[postman]

The subsidies do NOT add up to anything LIKE the 1.5 trillion we spend on ALL healthcare. They actually amount to 35 billion

So first we had the lie that it was about illegals being given healthcare.
Johnson has admitted that is false so now they lie about the cost.
And not just a little bit. They turn 35 billion into 1.5 trillion.
Even over 10 years that only 350 billion.

This whole thing is based on lie after lie by the GOP

Also note. Trump wants to GIVE Argentina $40 billion (up from the previous $20 billion)
but ONLY if Javier Gerardo Milei wins re-election.

Our tax dollars going for a political bribe.

This is why Trump shut down the foreign bribe section of DOJ.

 

[leftwinger]

You really think there are only 1 million here seeking asylum? Didn't biden have like 8 million crossings during his term alone?

If you are in the country illegally and sitting in a detention center, you are getting treatment from a local doctor most likely. You dont need to be on ACA for that.

But most aren't sitting in detention centers, are they? No, most are somewhere in the country, so we go back to, why should taxpayers have to foot the bill for Healthcare when most citizens are not getting Healthcare they need?

12 million admitted to? 1000 per day at some crossings? Day after day. Got aways not counted. Estimated 80K/mo in the Tuscon sector?

More likely the 20 million aint far off.

 

[kyzr]

The subsidies do NOT add up to anything LIKE the 1.5 trillion we spend on ALL healthcare. They actually amount to 35 billion
So first we had the lie that it was about illegals being given healthcare.
Johnson has admitted that is false so now they lie about the cost.
And not just a little bit. They turn 35 billion into 1.5 trillion.
Even over 10 years that only 350 billion. This whole thing is based on lie after lie by the GOP

Actually I found another link that said extending Covid subsidies for ACA would cost about $130b a year in 2026.

 

[leftwinger]

I think I've lost my mind? I agreed with postman and Lush as I scanned thru foggy eyed cord stretching recharging TV on mute. Bimbo with bat yelling at Stephen A.

This is life.....?