Lest one read my posts through a distorted prism, and assume some sort of prejudice or bigotry, I suggest that knowledge of the following is a prerequisite to judging my perspective:
Are you familiar with all of the following?
1. The massacre of the Banu Qurayzah tribe
2. Intolerance as a hallmark of Islam
a. The meaning of Dhimmi
b. The Jizya
3. The Treaty of Hudaybiyya
4. Taqiyya
5. Although forbidden to the faithful, except in the case of rape of infidel women, the Koran promises the following to warriors who have died in battle for Islam: sex outside of marriage, alcoholic beverages, homosexuality.
6.Islam has given rise to a culture that has institutionalized, and continues in the 21st century, human sacrifice, murder, misogyny, stamping out of indivuality, abolition of human happiness and sexualiy and promises the most drastic punishments for infractions of these, including, heaven forfend, leaving Islam for another religion.
If you have not yet made yourself familiar with the above, then forming an opinion about Islam is akin to planning to become a fireman without being aware of the nature of fire.
I was just reading some posts of yours in another thread from a few months ago. You were conversing with Kalam and actually coming around to sounding open minded. You sounded sincere in that thread about wanting to know more about Islam and not being led by the nose by a bunch of accomplished bigots and hate mongers. I think you are generally sincere about wanting to understand things and get the whole picture. You are obviously intelligent and which is why I debate with you instead of tuning out like I often do with the loonies that often haunt this board. But it seems like you have regressed since that time when you and Kalam were conversing.
I have no idea what you are refering to in half of that list you present , (sounds like a sequel to the Lord of the rings or something) and the other stuff .. well, how is being familiar with "2.Intolerance as a hallmark of Islam", "6.Islam has given rise to a culture that has institutionalized, and continues in the 21st century, human sacrifice, murder, misogyny," and etc useful as a prerequisite to judging your perspective other than to lead me to conclude you are a raving lunatic?
I actually am familiar with statements like yours above and they have helped me form an opinion about and become aware of Muslim bashers and psycho bigots and the nature of the scary fires they fuel in order to incite oppression of and sometimes even violence towards Muslims.
Thank you for admitting that you are not familiar with a number of the phrases. I would be more than happy to explain any that you would like.
Either I am a "raving lunatic," or you are a fool with strong opinions based on zero knowledge.
I can document, identify and explain any of the items, including the #2 and #6 you have isolated.
I simply ask you to have an open mind, as in 'based on the veracity of her post, she may have a point. I'll have to rethink this." Why don't you try that?
For example, intolerance. Historically, Muhammad is known to have stated, on his deathbed, spoke of the cleansing of the Arabian peninsula of all non-Moslems.
Conversation with Lawrence Wright, page 4 of 6
Non-believers are forbidden from entering the Mecca, or even surrounding areas, except on business for a limit of three days.
and "Muslims must present non-Muslims with the three choices of Sura 9:29 of the (Koran): conversion, submission with second-class status under Islamic rule, or death."
"It is clear quite clear that under Islamic Law an apostate must be put to death. There is no dispute on this ruling among classical Muslim or modern scholars... Sura II.217 reads: “… But whoever of you recants and dies an unbeliever , his works shall come to nothing in this world and the next, and they are the companions of the fire for ever.” Al-Thalabi and al -Khazan concur. Al-Razi in his commentary on II:217 says the apostate should be killed."
Dhimmi Watch: Islam, Apostasy, and Human Rights
Even today:
"Their views are grounded in Shari'a law. All major schools of Islamic jurisprudence stipulate that a sane adult male must be put to death for abandoning Islam, though varying interpretations persist on whether females should be killed or merely imprisoned. Many Islamic states outlaw apostasy and seven list it as a capital offense."
Fear Stalks Muslim Apostates in the West
My conversation with Kalam, as I recall, was whether or not he believed the following:
Is the individual radical? A simple test, according to Tawfik Hamid, in his book, “Inside Jihad,” is to ask if the subject of questioning supports the following:
A) Killing of Apostates, those who decide to leave the religion
B) Beating of women, and stoning them to death for infractions
C) Calling Jews Pigs and Monkeys
D) Declaring war on non-Muslims either to convert them, or to have them pay a second-class citizen tax
E) Enslave and rape female war prisoners, as in Darfur
F) Fight and kill Jews as preparation for the end days
G) Kill gays
Can you imagine the necessity for composing such a test? It is generally thought that about 10% of Moslems are radical, but this does not include those who support radical Islam with 'charity,' or other support.
For example, from the Daily Mail, UK:
British Muslim woman convicted of penning poems about beheadings
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An airport worker who wrote poems about beheadings is the first woman to be found guilty under new terror laws.
Samina Malik, who liked to call herself a "lyrical terrorist", called for attacks on the West and described "poisoned bullets" capable of killing an entire street in her poetry.
The 23-year-old Muslim wrote of her desire to become a martyr and listed her favourite videos as the "beheading ones".
How to Behead
Hold him
Tie the arms behind his back
And bandage his legs together
Just by the ankles
Blindfold the punk
So that he wonÂ’t hesitate as much
For on seeing the sharp pointy knife
HeÂ’ll begin to shake
And continuously scream like an eedyat
And jiggle like a jelly
Trust me–this will sure get you angry
ItÂ’s better to have at least two or three brothers by your side
Who can hold the fool
Because as soon as the warm sharp knife
Touches his naked flesh
HeÂ’ll come to know whatÂ’ll happen
ItÂ’s not as messy or as hard as some may think,
ItÂ’s all about the flow of the wrist.
No doubt that the punk will twitch and scream
But ignore the donkeyÂ’s ass
And continue to slice back and forth
YouÂ’ll feel the knife hit the wind and food pipe
But donÂ’t stop
Continue with all your might.
About now you should feel the knife vibrate,
You can feel the warm heat being given off,
But this is due to the friction being caused.
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