A question for Conservatives

[boedicca]

Marxism, communism, socialism is like poison.

Why would anyone think that "it won't kill me" and take a drink, when there are over 1 billion bodies?

Stalin killed 40 million. Mao got at least 60 million. Pol Pot killed ~20 million. Hitler...

On and on. I don't need to know the details when I see the end results.

Indeed. The true test of a philosophical system is its impact on people's lives.

Marxism (Totalitarianism) has an enormous body count.

DEATH BY GOVERNMENT: GENOCIDE AND MASS MURDER

 

[(R)IGHTeous 1]

Here is daveman struggling with his own explanations: priceless!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH1Dk-rZ1IE

He will declare himself the victor!

Yea.....EVERYONE can see ya trolling here buddy....psst.....these forums are PUBLIC.

Get lost loser.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Marxism, communism, socialism is like poison.

Why would anyone think that "it won't kill me" and take a drink, when there are over 1 billion bodies?

Stalin killed 40 million. Mao got at least 60 million. Pol Pot killed ~20 million. Hitler...

On and on. I don't need to know the details when I see the end results.

Indeed. The true test of a philosophical system is its impact on people's lives.

Marxism (Totalitarianism) has an enormous body count.

DEATH BY GOVERNMENT: GENOCIDE AND MASS MURDER

As do capitalistic nations, beginning part particularly with the imperialism and colonialism in the third world in the 18th centuries, then spreading through the centuries as markets persued consumers..

 

[JakeStarkey]

Here is daveman struggling with his own explanations: priceless!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH1Dk-rZ1IE

He will declare himself the victor!

Yea.....EVERYONE can see ya trolling here buddy....psst.....these forums are PUBLIC.

Get lost loser.

And Sir Troll R1 rides onto the scene. Here is in desperate combat with those with whom he disagrees yet once again.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eMkth8FWno[/ame]

 

[boedicca]

Marxism, communism, socialism is like poison.

Why would anyone think that "it won't kill me" and take a drink, when there are over 1 billion bodies?

Stalin killed 40 million. Mao got at least 60 million. Pol Pot killed ~20 million. Hitler...

On and on. I don't need to know the details when I see the end results.

Indeed. The true test of a philosophical system is its impact on people's lives.

Marxism (Totalitarianism) has an enormous body count.

DEATH BY GOVERNMENT: GENOCIDE AND MASS MURDER

As do capitalistic nations, beginning part particularly with the imperialism and colonialism in the third world in the 18th centuries, then spreading through the centuries as markets persued consumers..

Sophistry, bub.

Imperialism and Colonialism are not Capitalism. They are forms of government expansion. The fact that government cronies road these efforts for personal profit doesn't make them free market capitalism. Nor did they result in a body count even remotely similar to that of Marxist ideology put into practice.

You are also quite ignorant of the nature of such colonialism and imperialism. They were enacted via Monarchies, not free market societies.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yes, body, you are a sophistetette.

Both side has caused the deaths of scores of millions. Unregulated capitalism is no more desirable than communism because both permit the Rule of over the Rule of Law, behind which both hide. Yes, imperialism and colonialism were used by the capitalists to amass fortunes in the third world.

You are the perfect example of one who doesn't read much or if you do read extensively, you read too narrowly.

We are witnessing the “social and economic evisceration” of the working class, said Rich Lowery (National Review Online). In recent decades, the gap between Americans who complete college and those who don’t has become a chasm ---- economically and socially. Generally speaking, the third of Americans with college degrees ---- the so called elites ---- enjoy rising incomes and low unemployment, and they’ve embraced traditional values and stable families. But among those without a high school degree, the picture is grim: Unemployment has surpassed 15%, and today’s blue-collar workers often earn less than their fathers did.

Worse, “this economic pressure makes it harder to marry,” and family stability in middle America is crumbling. Even among the “moderately educated” ---- those with a high school diploma or even some college ---- out of wedlock births have “exploded” from 13% in 1982. to 44% today. In effect, the creation of a stable family ---- “an institution absolutely critical to children’s prospects” ---- is increasingly tied to a college education. “There is a crisis in the middle,” and the “brain dead populism” of blaming “the elites” won’t save the struggling working classes.

Rich Lowery is editor of National Review. A reprise in The Week, 16 Dec 2010, of an article. mobile.theweek.com/article/search?ext=html&url..

 

[boedicca]

You are blithering idiot.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Says the poorly read.

 

[mdn2000]

Marxism, communism, socialism is like poison.

Why would anyone think that "it won't kill me" and take a drink, when there are over 1 billion bodies?

Stalin killed 40 million. Mao got at least 60 million. Pol Pot killed ~20 million. Hitler...

On and on. I don't need to know the details when I see the end results.

Indeed. The true test of a philosophical system is its impact on people's lives.

Marxism (Totalitarianism) has an enormous body count.

DEATH BY GOVERNMENT: GENOCIDE AND MASS MURDER

As do capitalistic nations, beginning part particularly with the imperialism and colonialism in the third world in the 18th centuries, then spreading through the centuries as markets persued consumers..

18th century, that is the 1700's, this shows your ignorance of what you speak, care to be a little more specific so that you can further show that Marxism relies on complete ignorance.

 

[(R)IGHTeous 1]

Indeed. The true test of a philosophical system is its impact on people's lives.

Marxism (Totalitarianism) has an enormous body count.

DEATH BY GOVERNMENT: GENOCIDE AND MASS MURDER

As do capitalistic nations, beginning part particularly with the imperialism and colonialism in the third world in the 18th centuries, then spreading through the centuries as markets persued consumers..

18th century, that is the 1700's, this shows your ignorance of what you speak, care to be a little more specific so that you can further show that Marxism relies on complete ignorance.

You're right.

I'm almost starting to feel sorry for Starkey today, the WHOLE board is calling em out and exposing em.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Marxism, communism, socialism is like poison.

Why would anyone think that "it won't kill me" and take a drink, when there are over 1 billion bodies?

Stalin killed 40 million. Mao got at least 60 million. Pol Pot killed ~20 million. Hitler...

On and on. I don't need to know the details when I see the end results.

The modern industrial revolution, integral to capitalism, has resulted in scores of millions of death, caused by the ism's, right and center and left. Don't think an intelligent person believes unregulated capitalism to be any more wonderful than a communist state. Both capitalism and socialism, properly managed, have created decent societies: Denmark, Sweden, and Canada are examples of the latter and the USA and other countries examples of the former.

A society good to all mandates an educated understanding of definitions, theories, and the historical construct in which they are used. Anyone who starts arguing about "elites" is a person who intends to take far more than his or her share.

hmm. I think you are confusing war and growing pains with murder. Stalin, Mao, Pot, Hitler, murdered that many people, and most kept thier people living in fear.

Socilism does not compare to capitalism. Capitalism is not a political ideal, though it tends to function best under democracy.

Socilism is a combo of politics and economy. Where in the end, the government has most if not all sway, leading to cronism (china), or dictatorship (Vensualia)

 

[Two Thumbs]

Yes, body, you are a sophistetette.

Both side has caused the deaths of scores of millions. Not correct, not even close. Unregulated capitalism is no more desirable than communism not true. to get rid of an evil capitalist, stop using thier goods and services. To rid yourself of communism? It takes blood and lots of it. because both permit the Rule of over the Rule of Law, behind which both hide. Yes, imperialism and colonialism were used by the capitalists to amass fortunes in the third world. good lord

You are the perfect example of one who doesn't read much or if you do read extensively, you read too narrowly.

We are witnessing the “social and economic evisceration” of the working class, said Rich Lowery (National Review Online). In recent decades, the gap between Americans who complete college and those who don’t has become a chasm ---- economically and socially. Generally speaking, the third of Americans with college degrees ---- the so called elites ---- enjoy rising incomes and low unemployment, and they’ve embraced traditional values and stable families. But among those without a high school degree, the picture is grim: Unemployment has surpassed 15%, and today’s blue-collar workers often earn less than their fathers did. since that's bullshit. Kinda hard to take this as well informed fact.

Worse, “this economic pressure makes it harder to marry,” bsand family stability in middle America is crumbling.bs Even among the “moderately educated” ---- those with a high school diploma or even some college ---- out of wedlock births have “exploded” from 13% in 1982. to 44% today. 70% of balck kids are bastards as of last year. In effect, the creation of a stable family ---- “an institution absolutely critical to children’s prospects” ---- is increasingly tied to a college education. “There is a crisis in the middle,” and the “brain dead populism” of blaming “the elites” won’t save the struggling working classes.

Rich Lowery is editor of National Review. A reprise in The Week, 16 Dec 2010, of an article. mobile.theweek.com/article/search?ext=html&url..

I could keep tearing that apart and give many other reasons for things to be as this person says.

But then you would just insult me, say I'm ignorant or unread, even though I can see what's going on.

 

[daveman]

Here is daveman struggling with his own explanations: priceless!


He will declare himself the victor!

Sorry, Jake, no matter how desperately you try to deflect, history will always show Marxism to be an utter bloody failure. Only leftists and fools (pardon the redundancy) deny this.

 

[shintao]

Marxism, communism, socialism is like poison.

Why would anyone think that "it won't kill me" and take a drink, when there are over 1 billion bodies?

Stalin killed 40 million. Mao got at least 60 million. Pol Pot killed ~20 million. Hitler...

On and on. I don't need to know the details when I see the end results.

The modern industrial revolution, integral to capitalism, has resulted in scores of millions of death, caused by the ism's, right and center and left. Don't think an intelligent person believes unregulated capitalism to be any more wonderful than a communist state. Both capitalism and socialism, properly managed, have created decent societies: Denmark, Sweden, and Canada are examples of the latter and the USA and other countries examples of the former.

A society good to all mandates an educated understanding of definitions, theories, and the historical construct in which they are used. Anyone who starts arguing about "elites" is a person who intends to take far more than his or her share.

hmm. I think you are confusing war and growing pains with murder. Stalin, Mao, Pot, Hitler, murdered that many people, and most kept thier people living in fear.

Socilism does not compare to capitalism. Capitalism is not a political ideal, though it tends to function best under democracy.

Socilism is a combo of politics and economy. Where in the end, the government has most if not all sway, leading to cronism (china), or dictatorship (Vensualia)

Then do explain the plight of America & other capitalist nations, where a dictator can murder, torturer & rape children (America), or starve the masses (India) for the benefit of the few. Judging from our homeless, poor, and being the biggest debtor nation in the world, shouldn't we be fearing failed Capitalism instead of socialism??

 

[daveman]

Indeed. The true test of a philosophical system is its impact on people's lives.

Marxism (Totalitarianism) has an enormous body count.

DEATH BY GOVERNMENT: GENOCIDE AND MASS MURDER

As do capitalistic nations, beginning part particularly with the imperialism and colonialism in the third world in the 18th centuries, then spreading through the centuries as markets persued consumers..

Sophistry, bub.

Imperialism and Colonialism are not Capitalism. They are forms of government expansion. The fact that government cronies road these efforts for personal profit doesn't make them free market capitalism. Nor did they result in a body count even remotely similar to that of Marxist ideology put into practice.

You are also quite ignorant of the nature of such colonialism and imperialism. They were enacted via Monarchies, not free market societies.

Jake is obviously a young college boy with an unhealthy hero worship thing going on with his Poli Sci 101 professor that makes him susceptible to leftist programming.

 

[JakeStarkey]

daveman, R1, and the others clearly cannot defend much less define their far right positions. They do not understand historical context and definitions within it. They have not read Smith or Mills much less Marx or Lenin, have not studied Rockefeller or Carnegie or Temple, do not and will not understand capitalism, socialism, marxism, fascism, social democracy, imperialism, colonialism, and so forth and so on.

They parrot what they are told and consider themselves 'wise'. Oh, my.

 

[daveman]

daveman, R1, and the others clearly cannot defend much less define their far right positions. They do not understand historical context and definitions within it. They have not read Smith or Mills much less Marx or Lenin, have not studied Rockefeller or Carnegie or Temple, do not and will not understand capitalism, socialism, marxism, fascism, social democracy, imperialism, colonialism, and so forth and so on.

They parrot what they are told and consider themselves 'wise'. Oh, my.

*checks history* Yep, Marxism is still a murderous failure.

It's not working, Jake.

 

[JakeStarkey]

daveman continues to reveal his foolishness.

Let's ask a question. Have you read any in the great works of Greco-Roman, Judeo-Christian, or modernist traditions? If so, what? Will you name them? And when you are done, will you swear that they make you a man who understands our modern problems?

 

[mdn2000]

daveman continues to reveal his foolishness.

Let's ask a question. Have you read any in the great works of Greco-Roman, Judeo-Christian, or modernist traditions? If so, what? Will you name them? And when you are done, will you swear that they make you a man who understands our modern problems?

Raising the bar so you can walk under?

 

[thereisnospoon]

If you were as well read as you claim... You would not be a young, urban, Latino, gay 'Republican.'

That's the whole reason I am, we use facts, and yall use talking points from Obama's ass. I go against the grain, cuz I see policies that you likely support, are destroying my communities, and this whole area.

Oh do you think so? I don't think you use any facts at all. If you do... Please, elaborate on what you just said.

Nobody cares what you think. Only what the facts are.
The facts are not on your side.