A question for Conservatives

[JakeStarkey]

List of countries where Marxism has worked as advertised:

End of list

Non sequitur, sonny, because no one here has suggested that Marxism has worked as advertised. Give us a list where unregulated capitalism has not devastated the working classes, forcing them ever further into poverty. End of list.

Would you care to explain how defense of Marxism and criticism of capitalism is a mainstream Republican position, or have you given up that ridiculous charade?

You declare my condemnation of marxism is a defense of marxism? Thus when the Pope condemned marxism and unregulated capitalism as evils the Pope was defending marxism?

Are you this ignorant, daveman.

A republican never fears the truth, but you apparently do.

 

[JakeStarkey]

All of them should make MS feel proud. The above reactionary posts are not worthy of those who call themselves conservatives and republicans. Keep outing the reactionaries for what they are: a cancer in the social and body politic.

 

[daveman]

The far right reactionaries reveal their foolishness.

They don't read! They don't read!! They don't read!!!

As if there was ever any question that they are indeed illiterate about definitions and their historical context.

Jake, what have Marxists accomplished?

Marxism and unregulated capitalism have accomplished death and destruction.

You will hear the whole truth.

Yeah. So why are you insisting people should study Marx?

Are you one of those idiots who think that it can work?

 

[JakeStarkey]

If you are an intelligent person, you read Marx as well as Smith, Engels as well as Friedman, the Bible as well as the Quran, Rich Lowery as well as Ed Schultz, Al Franken as well as Rush Limbaugh. You read about Silent Cal Coolidge as well as FDR, about Grover Cleveland as well as LBJ, Ronald Reagan as well as Barak H. Obama.

This is what an educated human does, daveman.

 

[daveman]

Non sequitur, sonny, because no one here has suggested that Marxism has worked as advertised. Give us a list where unregulated capitalism has not devastated the working classes, forcing them ever further into poverty. End of list.

Would you care to explain how defense of Marxism and criticism of capitalism is a mainstream Republican position, or have you given up that ridiculous charade?

You declare my condemnation of marxism is a defense of marxism? Thus when the Pope condemned marxism and unregulated capitalism as evils the Pope was defending marxism?

Did the Pope insist people should study Marx?

Are you this ignorant, daveman.

I'm not ignorant. I just don't buy your nonsense.

A republican never fears the truth, but you apparently do.

I don't fear the truth. I just wish you'd be honest about the one you believe.

By the way, I don't think you understand there's a difference between Republicans and conservatives. You, for instance, are no conservative.

 

[daveman]

If you are an intelligent person, you read Marx as well as Smith, Engels as well as Friedman, the Bible as well as the Quran, Rich Lowery as well as Ed Schultz, Al Franken as well as Rush Limbaugh. You read about Silent Cal Coolidge as well as FDR, about Grover Cleveland as well as LBJ, Ronald Reagan as well as Barak H. Obama.

This is what an educated human does, daveman.

I repeat: "Educated" is not synonymous with "intelligent".

 

[JakeStarkey]

Thank you, daveman, for your posts tonight. For example, did the Pope insist Catholics study capitalism? Your truth is that you hate the truth, that you hate educated democracy, that you hate reasoning republicans, that you hate those who clearly out you as the ignorant, uneducated and unreasoning reactionary that you are. By your demonstration hear, you have clearly proved why education and reasoning and balance is necessary for the modern American. Your type is exactly why McCain lost the election. 25% of America love Palin and your types. The rest of us know your thinking and belief are not what America was founded about or for or needed in the future. Thank you for posting tonight.

 

[JakeStarkey]

If you are an intelligent person, you read Marx as well as Smith, Engels as well as Friedman, the Bible as well as the Quran, Rich Lowery as well as Ed Schultz, Al Franken as well as Rush Limbaugh. You read about Silent Cal Coolidge as well as FDR, about Grover Cleveland as well as LBJ, Ronald Reagan as well as Barak H. Obama.

This is what an educated human does, daveman.

I repeat: "Educated" is not synonymous with "intelligent".

Not to worry, daveman: there is no danger of you ever being either.

 

[JakeStarkey]

For all you wannabe 'conservatives', read what a real one has to say.

We are witnessing the “social and economic evisceration” of the working class, said Rich Lowery (National Review Online). In recent decades, the gap between Americans who complete college and those who don’t has become a chasm ---- economically and socially. Generally speaking, the third of Americans with college degrees ---- the so called elites ---- enjoy rising incomes and low unemployment, and they’ve embraced traditional values and stable families. But among those without a high school degree, the picture is grim: Unemployment has surpassed 15%, and today’s blue-collar workers often earn less than their fathers did.

Worse, “this economic pressure makes it harder to marry,” and family stability in middle America is crumbling. Even among the “moderately educated” ---- those with a high school diploma or even some college ---- out of wedlock births have “exploded” from 13% in 1982. to 44% today. In effect, the creation of a stable family ---- “an institution absolutely critical to children’s prospects” ---- is increasingly tied to a college education. “There is a crisis in the middle,” and the “brain dead populism” of blaming “the elites” won’t save the struggling working classes.

Rich Lowry is editor of National Review. A reprise in The Week, 16 Dec 2010, of an article. mobile.theweek.com/article/search?ext=html&url.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

If you are an intelligent person, you read Marx as well as Smith, Engels as well as Friedman, the Bible as well as the Quran, Rich Lowery as well as Ed Schultz, Al Franken as well as Rush Limbaugh. You read about Silent Cal Coolidge as well as FDR, about Grover Cleveland as well as LBJ, Ronald Reagan as well as Barak H. Obama.

This is what an educated human does, daveman.

I repeat: "Educated" is not synonymous with "intelligent".

You are getting an education why intelligent people have jake on ignore.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The unintelligent like Fitnah, who I give fits, have me on ignore. Right, Fitnah?

 

[daveman]

Thank you, daveman, for your posts tonight. For example, did the Pope insist Catholics study capitalism? Your truth is that you hate the truth, that you hate educated democracy, that you hate reasoning republicans, that you hate those who clearly out you as the ignorant, uneducated and unreasoning reactionary that you are. By your demonstration hear, you have clearly proved why education and reasoning and balance is necessary for the modern American. Your type is exactly why McCain lost the election. 25% of America love Palin and your types. The rest of us know your thinking and belief are not what America was founded about or for or needed in the future. Thank you for posting tonight.

And thank you, Jake, for once again proving your claim of being a Republican is an utter farce.

I don't hate anyone. Like a typical leftist, you ascribe emotional motives to everyone, because your own views are driven solely by emotion. Facts and logic are simply beyond you.

So keep cheerleading for leftist causes, Jake. It makes your claim of being a Republican that much more amusing.

 

[daveman]

If you are an intelligent person, you read Marx as well as Smith, Engels as well as Friedman, the Bible as well as the Quran, Rich Lowery as well as Ed Schultz, Al Franken as well as Rush Limbaugh. You read about Silent Cal Coolidge as well as FDR, about Grover Cleveland as well as LBJ, Ronald Reagan as well as Barak H. Obama.

This is what an educated human does, daveman.

I repeat: "Educated" is not synonymous with "intelligent".

Not to worry, daveman: there is no danger of you ever being either.

Typical leftist response: "If you don't agree with me, you're STUpid! Neener neener!"

 

[thereisnospoon]

Yes, body, you are a sophistetette.

Both side has caused the deaths of scores of millions. Unregulated capitalism is no more desirable than communism because both permit the Rule of over the Rule of Law, behind which both hide. Yes, imperialism and colonialism were used by the capitalists to amass fortunes in the third world.

You are the perfect example of one who doesn't read much or if you do read extensively, you read too narrowly.

We are witnessing the “social and economic evisceration” of the working class, said Rich Lowery (National Review Online). In recent decades, the gap between Americans who complete college and those who don’t has become a chasm ---- economically and socially. Generally speaking, the third of Americans with college degrees ---- the so called elites ---- enjoy rising incomes and low unemployment, and they’ve embraced traditional values and stable families. But among those without a high school degree, the picture is grim: Unemployment has surpassed 15%, and today’s blue-collar workers often earn less than their fathers did.

Worse, “this economic pressure makes it harder to marry,” and family stability in middle America is crumbling. Even among the “moderately educated” ---- those with a high school diploma or even some college ---- out of wedlock births have “exploded” from 13% in 1982. to 44% today. In effect, the creation of a stable family ---- “an institution absolutely critical to children’s prospects” ---- is increasingly tied to a college education. “There is a crisis in the middle,” and the “brain dead populism” of blaming “the elites” won’t save the struggling working classes.

Rich Lowery is editor of National Review. A reprise in The Week, 16 Dec 2010, of an article. mobile.theweek.com/article/search?ext=html&url..

As it appears your position is anti-capitalism or at least not very fond, can it be concluded that you support socialism in all aspects of life in the US?

You have just proved you are a fool and moron. Do you have no idea that Rich Lowery is one of the most eminent conservative writers in America?

The question was put to YOU.....Rich Lowery is immaterial.
I do not care what people claim to represent. In other words I care not what they say(write) but only what they do.
Case closed.....You really should stop pissing on your shoes

 

[daveman]

If you are an intelligent person, you read Marx as well as Smith, Engels as well as Friedman, the Bible as well as the Quran, Rich Lowery as well as Ed Schultz, Al Franken as well as Rush Limbaugh. You read about Silent Cal Coolidge as well as FDR, about Grover Cleveland as well as LBJ, Ronald Reagan as well as Barak H. Obama.

This is what an educated human does, daveman.

I repeat: "Educated" is not synonymous with "intelligent".

You are getting an education why intelligence people have jake on ignore.

Oh, it's fun to smack Jake around with his leftism.

 

[SFC Ollie]

For all you wannabe 'conservatives', read what a real one has to say.

We are witnessing the “social and economic evisceration” of the working class, said Rich Lowery (National Review Online). In recent decades, the gap between Americans who complete college and those who don’t has become a chasm ---- economically and socially. Generally speaking, the third of Americans with college degrees ---- the so called elites ---- enjoy rising incomes and low unemployment, and they’ve embraced traditional values and stable families. But among those without a high school degree, the picture is grim: Unemployment has surpassed 15%, and today’s blue-collar workers often earn less than their fathers did.

Worse, “this economic pressure makes it harder to marry,” and family stability in middle America is crumbling. Even among the “moderately educated” ---- those with a high school diploma or even some college ---- out of wedlock births have “exploded” from 13% in 1982. to 44% today. In effect, the creation of a stable family ---- “an institution absolutely critical to children’s prospects” ---- is increasingly tied to a college education. “There is a crisis in the middle,” and the “brain dead populism” of blaming “the elites” won’t save the struggling working classes.

Rich Lowry is editor of National Review. A reprise in The Week, 16 Dec 2010, of an article. mobile.theweek.com/article/search?ext=html&url.

Is there a point you are wanting to make here? It is the left that "blames the elites" And I thought many of the "working class" (since we want to get into class warfare) was also part of the middle.

 

[mdn2000]

If you are an intelligent person, you read Marx as well as Smith, Engels as well as Friedman, the Bible as well as the Quran, Rich Lowery as well as Ed Schultz, Al Franken as well as Rush Limbaugh. You read about Silent Cal Coolidge as well as FDR, about Grover Cleveland as well as LBJ, Ronald Reagan as well as Barak H. Obama.

This is what an educated human does, daveman.

You cannot say you read Marx, what a crap of bullshit. Other than the Communist Manifesto Marx wrote a whole lot of bullshit based on nothing but his imagination. Even for a guy who may love Marx its a guarantee they dont read Marx but someone else who summarizes Marx.

I like how Jakey defines what smart and intelligent is, if your intelligent you do not define what intelligence is buy a reading list.

 

[JakeStarkey]

For all you wannabe 'conservatives', read what a real one has to say.

We are witnessing the “social and economic evisceration” of the working class, said Rich Lowery (National Review Online). In recent decades, the gap between Americans who complete college and those who don’t has become a chasm ---- economically and socially. Generally speaking, the third of Americans with college degrees ---- the so called elites ---- enjoy rising incomes and low unemployment, and they’ve embraced traditional values and stable families. But among those without a high school degree, the picture is grim: Unemployment has surpassed 15%, and today’s blue-collar workers often earn less than their fathers did.

Worse, “this economic pressure makes it harder to marry,” and family stability in middle America is crumbling. Even among the “moderately educated” ---- those with a high school diploma or even some college ---- out of wedlock births have “exploded” from 13% in 1982. to 44% today. In effect, the creation of a stable family ---- “an institution absolutely critical to children’s prospects” ---- is increasingly tied to a college education. “There is a crisis in the middle,” and the “brain dead populism” of blaming “the elites” won’t save the struggling working classes.

Rich Lowry is editor of National Review. A reprise in The Week, 16 Dec 2010, of an article. mobile.theweek.com/article/search?ext=html&url.

Is there a point you are wanting to make here? It is the left that "blames the elites" And I thought many of the "working class" (since we want to get into class warfare) was also part of the middle.

Ollie, the right blames the "elites". Listen to the reactionary wacks here who believe education is unnecessary. Go listen to Rush every day and you will hear it. It is a mantra of the right wing. Lowery is saying that the working and middle classes will sink into a mire of uneducated, unwed, unknowing 'poverty stew' of individuals who have no idea how to be American or how to succeed in American society. He is so correct when he says the “brain dead populism” of blaming “the elites” won’t save the struggling working classes. Either our kids and our grand kids and their kids get their college educations, or they will continue to sink to the bottom as more and more of them produce children in non-traditional families.

That is sad that the traditional family is beginning to define the college-educated two-parent family, and that is becoming overwhelmingly true each year.

 

[SFC Ollie]

For all you wannabe 'conservatives', read what a real one has to say.

We are witnessing the “social and economic evisceration” of the working class, said Rich Lowery (National Review Online). In recent decades, the gap between Americans who complete college and those who don’t has become a chasm ---- economically and socially. Generally speaking, the third of Americans with college degrees ---- the so called elites ---- enjoy rising incomes and low unemployment, and they’ve embraced traditional values and stable families. But among those without a high school degree, the picture is grim: Unemployment has surpassed 15%, and today’s blue-collar workers often earn less than their fathers did.

Worse, “this economic pressure makes it harder to marry,” and family stability in middle America is crumbling. Even among the “moderately educated” ---- those with a high school diploma or even some college ---- out of wedlock births have “exploded” from 13% in 1982. to 44% today. In effect, the creation of a stable family ---- “an institution absolutely critical to children’s prospects” ---- is increasingly tied to a college education. “There is a crisis in the middle,” and the “brain dead populism” of blaming “the elites” won’t save the struggling working classes.

Rich Lowry is editor of National Review. A reprise in The Week, 16 Dec 2010, of an article. mobile.theweek.com/article/search?ext=html&url.

Is there a point you are wanting to make here? It is the left that "blames the elites" And I thought many of the "working class" (since we want to get into class warfare) was also part of the middle.

Ollie, the right blames the "elites". Go listen to Rush every day and you will hear it. It is a mantra of the right wing. Lowery is saying that the working and middle classes will sink into a mire of uneducated, unwed, unknowing 'poverty stew' of individuals who have no idea how to be American or how to succeed in American society. He is so correct when he says the “brain dead populism” of blaming “the elites” won’t save the struggling working classes. Either our kids and our grand kids and their kids get their educations, or they will continue to sink to the bottom.

maybe that's what is wrong with this country. Too many people listening to talking heads and not thinking for themselves. I do not listen to Rush or any other talking head.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I listen to him several times as seriously as I do to ed schultz. They both drive me batty with their 'one way or hit the highway' mentality that is pulling apart the center. George Santayana was so correct when he wrote: "Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana - Wikiquote