A message from a Mexican to The USA

[Correll]

His position is that we as a people, have no right to control, who enters our territory.

You're seeing what you want to see. Can you point out specific wording that leads to that feeling?

It was not a feeling. It is his stated position that all people have the "liberty" to move into, at least, American territory.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Luck?

What do you call being born here?

That's luck?

 

[Correll]

You want to let one billion chinese move here?

That is a straw man argument. If a billion anyone wanted to move here they would have already

iF we adopt his beliefs system, ie that the government does not have the power to limit people's movement into the country,

how many foreigners, do you think would move here, then?


And do you want that?

 

[Porter Rockwell]

You want to let one billion chinese move here?

Straw man worse case scenario arguments are, well, straw man arguments.

His position is that we as a people, have no right to control, who enters our territory.


Considering the likely results of a policy, is not a strawman argument.

Did anyone ever tell you that you are dishonest?

 

[Porter Rockwell]

As a sovereign nation, we have the right to decide who to invite or not.

Hypocritically sovereign for sure. The fed gov't (and its elite employees) refuse to recognize sovereign unless/until they feel they can bullshit people about invading sovereign countries with lame excuses- they don't recognize sovereign states at home and they certainly don't recognize sovereignty of a person.

You want to let one billion chinese move here?

If you do not do business with the Chinese, they have no reason to come here. Never ask the government to do something for you that you can do better, and less costly, on your own.

That was not an answer, that was a dodge.

You want to let one billion chinese move here?

They wouldn't move here if the country was run the way I think it should be run.

Weill if your plan to get rid of illegals doesnt include cutting off thier bevy of welfare benefits whatcha got...

It is already illegal for undocumented foreigners to get benefits. You guys already screwed us out of the Fourth Amendment with the promise that was going to stop it. Why not just tell the truth? If the cost were the Bill of Rights to get what you want, you would gladly give it up. You've already got a start - and one that set constitutionalists back 50 years.

 

[Correll]

You want to let one billion chinese move here?

Straw man worse case scenario arguments are, well, straw man arguments.

His position is that we as a people, have no right to control, who enters our territory.


Considering the likely results of a policy, is not a strawman argument.

Did anyone ever tell you that you are dishonest?

Sure. All the time.


Of course, generally, they say something like that, but rarely back it up, with like say,


telling what part of their stated position I "lied" about.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

His position is that we as a people, have no right to control, who enters our territory.

You're seeing what you want to see. Can you point out specific wording that leads to that feeling?

Thank you for the support. So far I've talked about two things that anti-Liberty advocates refuse to acknowledge:

1) I've discussed regulation

2) I've talked about returning to the way things were when America was great. Let's see what laws we can eliminate that will put America back into that position when we were great and prospering. We're never going to talk specifics because the anti-Liberty / POLICE STATE advocates want a militarized dictatorship.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

You want to let one billion chinese move here?

Straw man worse case scenario arguments are, well, straw man arguments.

His position is that we as a people, have no right to control, who enters our territory.


Considering the likely results of a policy, is not a strawman argument.

Did anyone ever tell you that you are dishonest?

Sure. All the time.


Of course, generally, they say something like that, but rarely back it up, with like say,


telling what part of their stated position I "lied" about.

Well I proved that you lied. See my previous post.

 

[Correll]

You want to let one billion chinese move here?

Straw man worse case scenario arguments are, well, straw man arguments.

His position is that we as a people, have no right to control, who enters our territory.


Considering the likely results of a policy, is not a strawman argument.

Did anyone ever tell you that you are dishonest?

Sure. All the time.


Of course, generally, they say something like that, but rarely back it up, with like say,


telling what part of their stated position I "lied" about.

Well I proved that you lied. See my previous post.

Says the man that provided no clarification on his position.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

As a sovereign nation, we have the right to decide who to invite or not.

Hypocritically sovereign for sure. The fed gov't (and its elite employees) refuse to recognize sovereign unless/until they feel they can bullshit people about invading sovereign countries with lame excuses- they don't recognize sovereign states at home and they certainly don't recognize sovereignty of a person.

You want to let one billion chinese move here?

If you do not do business with the Chinese, they have no reason to come here. Never ask the government to do something for you that you can do better, and less costly, on your own.

That was not an answer, that was a dodge.

You want to let one billion chinese move here?

They wouldn't move here if the country was run the way I think it should be run.

Weill if your plan to get rid of illegals doesnt include cutting off thier bevy of welfare benefits whatcha got...

It is already illegal for undocumented foreigners to get benefits. You guys already screwed us out of the Fourth Amendment with the promise that was going to stop it. Why not just tell the truth? If the cost were the Bill of Rights to get what you want, you would gladly give it up. You've already got a start - and one that set constitutionalists back 50 years.

But they still get them by hundreds of billions
I told ya try not to dance around it

So what's your plan ...ya said ya had a plan

 

[Gdjjr]

how many foreigners, do you think would move here, then?

It's immaterial. I don't care. You made a claim, I rebutted it- that is what is material.

 

[Gdjjr]

Did anyone ever tell you that you are dishonest?

Edited- wrong person.

 

[Gdjjr]

So what's your plan ...ya said ya had a plan

He presented it earlier in this thread- reading simple English is not supposed to be difficult.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

You want to let one billion chinese move here?

Straw man worse case scenario arguments are, well, straw man arguments.

His position is that we as a people, have no right to control, who enters our territory.


Considering the likely results of a policy, is not a strawman argument.

Did anyone ever tell you that you are dishonest?

Sure. All the time.


Of course, generally, they say something like that, but rarely back it up, with like say,


telling what part of their stated position I "lied" about.

Well I proved that you lied. See my previous post.

Says the man that provided no clarification on his position.

Here's the real deal:

I've been IN this discussion for decades now. With the anti-Liberty / POLICE STATE / MAGA supporters - whatever you want to call them, they go on the attack like you did. Nobody asks questions nor for clarifications. It has been easier to believe a lie told a thousand times than a truth that was never told before. The first fact that you should know, going in, I am a constitutionalist. That being said, I'm going to start with three presuppositions. You tell me where you think I get it wrong:

1) Without a wall and without federal immigration laws, the founders / framers built the greatest nation in the annals of history

2) The terminology Make America Great Again means, at some point, America WAS great

3) During this period of becoming great there was not a wall around America; the Chinese came here to work and take advantage of opportunities willingly offered; the foreigners you fear did not pose a threat (otherwise we could not have built the Republic we have.)

Let's find out where you think I'm wrong from a factual point of view.

 

[Correll]

You want to let one billion chinese move here?

Straw man worse case scenario arguments are, well, straw man arguments.

His position is that we as a people, have no right to control, who enters our territory.


Considering the likely results of a policy, is not a strawman argument.

Did anyone ever tell you that you are dishonest?

Sure. All the time.


Of course, generally, they say something like that, but rarely back it up, with like say,


telling what part of their stated position I "lied" about.

Well I proved that you lied. See my previous post.

Says the man that provided no clarification on his position.

Here's the real deal:

I've been IN this discussion for decades now. With the anti-Liberty / POLICE STATE / MAGA supporters - whatever you want to call them, they go on the attack like you did. Nobody asks questions nor for clarifications. It has been easier to believe a lie told a thousand times than a truth that was never told before. The first fact that you should know, going in, I am a constitutionalist. That being said, I'm going to start with three presuppositions. You tell me where you think I get it wrong:

1) Without a wall and without federal immigration laws, the founders / framers built the greatest nation in the annals of history

2) The terminology Make America Great Again means, at some point, America WAS great

3) During this period of becoming great there was not a wall around America; the Chinese came here to work and take advantage of opportunities willingly offered; the foreigners you fear did not pose a threat (otherwise we could not have built the Republic we have.)

Let's find out where you think I'm wrong from a factual point of view.

1. Laws were passed to limit chinese immigration.

2. The foreigners did pose a threat, steps were taken to deal with it.

3. Also, worth noting, if you want to have this type of discussion, part of it should be discussing what might have happened if we had NOT had the high levels of immigration. Assuming the results we got, were the best possible results is just not valid.

 

[Gdjjr]

what might have happened

NO! Laws are supposed to punish criminal action- instead, in Police State US of A, we punish for what "might happen" which is based on IF- which is mind reading or fortune telling- not actions that did happen.

 

[Gdjjr]

1. Laws were passed to limit chinese immigration.

And severely abused, just like the Irish, the Italians, The jews, and Indians. Where is the line drawn?

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

They will come for you. It's not if only when. They favor only their click- and I ain't talking foreigners.

 

[Correll]

what might have happened

NO! Laws are supposed to punish criminal action- instead, in Police State US of A, we punish for what "might happen" which is based on IF- which is mind reading or fortune telling- not actions that did happen.

YOu are talking my point out of context. I am not calling for punishing anyone based on what might have happened.

 

[Correll]

1. Laws were passed to limit chinese immigration.

And severely abused, just like the Irish, the Italians, The jews, and Indians. Where is the line drawn?
...

Where ever we want. It is our choice. Or it should be, if our political class were not betraying US.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

So what's your plan ...ya said ya had a plan

He presented it earlier in this thread- reading simple English is not supposed to be difficult.

Ya mean I gotta look for it i didnt read all his post ... flat out denying illegals get benefits is kinda dishonest ...when you dont acknowledge a fact and avoid it like the plauge while using a simplistic leftist taking point ....illegals dont get benifits it's illegal

you tell me what's his grand plan ?

And blaming trump for the militarization of the police is super lame and shows a biased and ignorance beyond belief