A good use for prison inmates

[bripat9643]

He was released in 2017, cheesedick.

So? He still went to prison for molesting children.

 

[elektra]

No. Party has nothing to do with it.

it seems like you do

 

[bripat9643]

No. Party has nothing to do with it.

It has everything to do with it.

 

[candycorn]

Most prisoners in US prisons work. 65% AFAIK

The OP really showed his ignorance on the topic.

Anywhere you put prisoners, you also have to put correctional officers. There is a massive nationwide shortage of CO's at every level from jailer to federal lock-ups. And now you want them to manage 5-10 inmates each who are sifting through garbage? Yeah...not gonna happen.

 

[candycorn]

So.... They're in prison. They were not fit for society, so why TF do they have rights?

The constitution. Inmates have rights to visit with their attorneys, law library, not be subjected to unsafe conditions, PREA, etc... You've seen too many movies.

FFS, if there's highly toxic crap, let them suit up and clean it up. You know, so it's safer. But that's better than it just laying in a river, the ocean or in some landfill that's going to eventually intoxicate the drinking water or air of decent, law abiding citizens. (who are actually fit for society)

You do realize that you have to put a CO with every work detail right? Does the CO not have rights?

 

[YoursTruly]

The OP really showed his ignorance on the topic.

Anywhere you put prisoners, you also have to put correctional officers. There is a massive nationwide shortage of CO's at every level from jailer to federal lock-ups. And now you want them to manage 5-10 inmates each who are sifting through garbage? Yeah...not gonna happen.

Inmates doing what? Working and making the recycling process profitable? The company who's actually manufacturing the finish product can pay for the CO's salaries.

 

[candycorn]

Inmates doing what?

Well you’re talking about recycling which, by definition, is taking something that was discarded (aka garbage) and converting it back into something new. A garbage heap is not usually a fun place to work. If you send offenders into that environment; you’ve also got to send correctional officers into that same environment.

Working and making the recycling process profitable?

Intersting. Private industry benefitting off of indentured servants. There is a name for that. Oh yeah...slavery.

The company who's actually manufacturing the finish product can pay for the CO's salaries.

Given the vertical distribution business models, the person supplying the raw materials (in this case, metal plastic, paper, or glass) are not likely to be the ones converting the raw materials into finished products. You’re asking an upstream company to pay the salaries of state employees.

Oh, just as an aside, you probably don’t want a prisoner to be surrounded by sharp metal objects that they can easily convert into weapons. Give it some thought for a change.

You should also note that anytime prison labor is used, the quality of the finished product--when it doesn’t directly enrich/benefit the prisoner--is awful. They have no vested interest in making the product well.

 

[Concerned American]

Anywhere you put prisoners, you also have to put correctional officers.

I guess you've never heard of Honor Farms or Work Release programs. No correctional officers.

 

[Edgetho]

Labor Unions are standing in the way of prison labor... always have been....

This is true.

It is also true that Southern DEMOCRATs routinely imprisoned Blacks so they could work on Boss dimocrap's farm.

Maybe we could get the prison system to offer "Good Time" (or whatever its called) that would apply as time-served. And maybe earn a few bucks for the Prison commissary or save it for when they get out.

 

[the other mike]

We just got back from a trip out West. Drove from Vegas down to Tucson. I was surprised at the amount of litter on the sides of the roads.

Disgusting!

It's embarrassing .
As an American for foreigners to come and see how we have no respect for ourselves.

 

[Edgetho]

Well you’re talking about recycling which, by definition, is taking something that was discarded (aka garbage) and converting it back into something new. A garbage heap is not usually a fun place to work. If you send offenders into that environment; you’ve also got to send correctional officers into that same environment.

They could use trustees and minimize the exposure to Guards.

You should also note that anytime prison labor is used, the quality of the finished product--when it doesn’t directly enrich/benefit the prisoner--is awful. They have no vested interest in making the product well.

We're talking 'garbage' here. Garbage. How bad can they screw that up?

One of the many problems with dims is, they see everything as a Zero Sum Game. Capitalism is when BOTH parties benefit.

We, The People could get an onerous job done on the cheap while trustworthy Inmates who want to do better in life have an opportunity to get that chance.

There is always the possibility of abuse. Always.

Just keep dimocraps away from it and it should be minimal abuse.

 

[YoursTruly]

Intersting. Private industry benefitting off of indentured servants. There is a name for that. Oh yeah...slavery.

lmao.. "indentured servants?" Oh yeah, you mean criminals who weren't fit for society, who created victims and broke laws.....

Hardly indentured servants.

Given the vertical distribution business models, the person supplying the raw materials (in this case, metal plastic, paper, or glass) are not likely to be the ones converting the raw materials into finished products. You’re asking an upstream company to pay the salaries of state employees.

Yes. collecting and delivering the plastics consumes labor. So does sorting and washing it. So we're reducing the expense of one part of the process. And giving the convicts a chance to earn their keep.

Oh, just as an aside, you probably don’t want a prisoner to be surrounded by sharp metal objects that they can easily convert into weapons. Give it some thought for a change.

Then we won't use the more violent criminals.

You should also note that anytime prison labor is used, the quality of the finished product--when it doesn’t directly enrich/benefit the prisoner--is awful. They have no vested interest in making the product well.

I'm getting the picture that you're like those who put more effort into figuring out ways to NOT do something, than figuring out how to get things done. Reasoning isn't your strong suit.

 

[Concerned American]

Private industry benefitting off of indentured servants.

There is no free lunch, moron. These people broke the law and have been incarcerated. It is still their responsibility to feed themselves and pay the costs of their incarceration. Any labor that they perform should go to that end.

 

[Zincwarrior]

When you started talking about prisoners and recycling, well I thought you meant this initially:

 

[YoursTruly]

There is no free lunch, moron. These people broke the law and have been incarcerated. It is still their responsibility to feed themselves and pay the costs of their incarceration. Any labor that they perform should go to that end.

Companies can benefit from this, right along with the American tax payer. They could pay the prison system (state & federal) $5hr for the convicts labor. Which would help pay for their room, board and medical.

But SOME people think it's some sort of injustice for people to work to pay their own way.

This county is turning into a bunch of sissies.

 

[d0gbreath]

Companies can benefit from this, right along with the American tax payer. They could pay the prison system (state & federal) $5hr for the convicts labor. Which would help pay for their room, board and medical.

But SOME people think it's some sort of injustice for people to work to pay their own way.

This county is turning into a bunch of sissies.

This was nipped in the bud long ago. Prisoners can only work inside of the prison. Read up on the Birmingham prison miners for more detail.

 

[okfine]

Most prisoners in US prisons work. 65% AFAIK

I also think 99% of US prisons have work programs.

And firefighters. California has 3000+ and 2500 of them are certified.

 

[YoursTruly]

This was nipped in the bud long ago. Prisoners can only work inside of the prison. Read up on the Birmingham prison miners for more detail.

We have a government. And laws can change. These laws that keep inmates form earning their keep and saving the tax payers money can be changed. And they should be. All these people do is trade food & drugs, screw each other and fight.

 

[d0gbreath]

We have a government. And laws can change. These laws that keep inmates form earning their keep and saving the tax payers money can be changed. And they should be. All these people do is trade food & drugs, screw each other and fight.

What was determined in Birmingham, was that the inmates were basically slaves, for the profits of the mining company. Good luck changing that law.

 

[YoursTruly]

I also think 99% of US prisons have work programs.

And firefighters. California has 3000+ and 2500 of them are certified.

Pick up trash and throw it in a landfill. The plastics in that trash could be recycled and something else made from it.

There's money to be made from all this plastic. There's plastics being used in almost everything now a days. They just need to find a way to make the recycling part profitable.

Right now, the going rate for labor in the US is over $15hr. (not the minimum wage) There's no way paying all the people they need to pick & sort plastics that much money is ever going to make recycling profitable.

I'm trying to kill two birds with one stone.