A Fulfillment of Prophecy?

obama is actually very consistent in his actions with the views he was indoctrinated with from his early youth

That is true. There is an old saying: Tell me who your friends are and I will tell you who you are.

I don't think it takes much in the way of prophecy to have predicted the Obama presidency. Anyone who understands the above adage and who has a good comprehension of cause and effect would have no trouble whatsoever predicting Obama's actions. I have posted this on another thread, but one case in point: After I read the ACA, I explained it to a friend who pondered it for a moment and said, 'America will be single payer in 5 years.' And what has happened? The dominoes have started to fall and when they are all down the end one will drop onto the words, 'single payer.' It may not take 5 years.

As to the question of whether the age of prophecy is over. I don't know. I always took it that the prophets of the Bible garnered their prophecies from God and not just from observation of cause and effect and patterns of behavior. Observation is all it takes to prophesy Obama.

But many of the prophecies of the Bible did observe cause and effect and patterns of behavior along with the vision of what would happen as a result of that behavior. And yes, Jews and Christians believe those prophecies were given by God to the prophets to speak.

So why do some, like Thomas Sowell, seem to have the ability to see the vision and speak the prophecy and others apparently don't? I don't recall anything he has ever written to suggest he is a religious person, but maybe his visions come from God too. Maybe that's where those of us who saw and understood from the beginning got our ability to do that. I don't know.

But many of the ancient prophets were not well received by those they informed and some were quite badly treated.

That much hasn't changed much in 3000 years.
 
obama is actually very consistent in his actions with the views he was indoctrinated with from his early youth

That is true. There is an old saying: Tell me who your friends are and I will tell you who you are.

I don't think it takes much in the way of prophecy to have predicted the Obama presidency. Anyone who understands the above adage and who has a good comprehension of cause and effect would have no trouble whatsoever predicting Obama's actions. I have posted this on another thread, but one case in point: After I read the ACA, I explained it to a friend who pondered it for a moment and said, 'America will be single payer in 5 years.' And what has happened? The dominoes have started to fall and when they are all down the end one will drop onto the words, 'single payer.' It may not take 5 years.

As to the question of whether the age of prophecy is over. I don't know. I always took it that the prophets of the Bible garnered their prophecies from God and not just from observation of cause and effect and patterns of behavior. Observation is all it takes to prophesy Obama.

yes. It is present in the majority of European cultures.
Because it is true to it's core.

That is the reason why left was up in flames when Beck started methodically dissect those views and expose them to the general public.

Because the general public and even an educated one has no idea what marxism, socialism and communism is about.
Before it was scared by primitive slogans ( which were partially true but very primitive), later on when the left got it's handle on it, the subtle blurring the lines between the evil marxism and not so-evil social-democratism started - in order to make the failed and evil idea look acceptable.
Therefore the idiocy of "different socialisms" developed.
For anybody who knows Marxism from it's roots this acquittal of the evil and mislabeling of the social and economic therms is obvious as is the reason for doing so.
 
obama is actually very consistent in his actions with the views he was indoctrinated with from his early youth

That is true. There is an old saying: Tell me who your friends are and I will tell you who you are.

I don't think it takes much in the way of prophecy to have predicted the Obama presidency. Anyone who understands the above adage and who has a good comprehension of cause and effect would have no trouble whatsoever predicting Obama's actions. I have posted this on another thread, but one case in point: After I read the ACA, I explained it to a friend who pondered it for a moment and said, 'America will be single payer in 5 years.' And what has happened? The dominoes have started to fall and when they are all down the end one will drop onto the words, 'single payer.' It may not take 5 years.

As to the question of whether the age of prophecy is over. I don't know. I always took it that the prophets of the Bible garnered their prophecies from God and not just from observation of cause and effect and patterns of behavior. Observation is all it takes to prophesy Obama.

But many of the prophecies of the Bible did observe cause and effect and patterns of behavior along with the vision of what would happen as a result of that behavior. And yes, Jews and Christians believe those prophecies were given by God to the prophets to speak.

So why do some, like Thomas Sowell, seem to have the ability to see the vision and speak the prophecy and others apparently don't? I don't recall anything he has ever written to suggest he is a religious person, but maybe his visions come from God too. Maybe that's where those of us who saw and understood from the beginning got our ability to do that. I don't know.

But many of the ancient prophets were not well received by those they informed and some were quite badly treated.

That much hasn't changed much in 3000 years.

the reason is simple - the human nature. It can not be changed and the patterns of human behavior have been described in the Bible and in the books of other religions old enough to develop an algorithm of human actions.

There is nothing new under the sun and what has been will be again
was written thousands years ago and it stays true and will be true until the Second Coming.
 
obama is actually very consistent in his actions with the views he was indoctrinated with from his early youth

That is true. There is an old saying: Tell me who your friends are and I will tell you who you are.

I don't think it takes much in the way of prophecy to have predicted the Obama presidency. Anyone who understands the above adage and who has a good comprehension of cause and effect would have no trouble whatsoever predicting Obama's actions. I have posted this on another thread, but one case in point: After I read the ACA, I explained it to a friend who pondered it for a moment and said, 'America will be single payer in 5 years.' And what has happened? The dominoes have started to fall and when they are all down the end one will drop onto the words, 'single payer.' It may not take 5 years.

As to the question of whether the age of prophecy is over. I don't know. I always took it that the prophets of the Bible garnered their prophecies from God and not just from observation of cause and effect and patterns of behavior. Observation is all it takes to prophesy Obama.

But many of the prophecies of the Bible did observe cause and effect and patterns of behavior along with the vision of what would happen as a result of that behavior. And yes, Jews and Christians believe those prophecies were given by God to the prophets to speak.

So why do some, like Thomas Sowell, seem to have the ability to see the vision and speak the prophecy and others apparently don't? I don't recall anything he has ever written to suggest he is a religious person, but maybe his visions come from God too. Maybe that's where those of us who saw and understood from the beginning got our ability to do that. I don't know.

But many of the ancient prophets were not well received by those they informed and some were quite badly treated.

That much hasn't changed much in 3000 years.

There is a level of thinking that is precognitive and intuitive. Everyone I ever worked with in psychiatry who stayed in psychiatry had it. The ones who didn't have it were always afraid of the patients and had to leave the arena. We discussed 'intuition' in my interpersonal communication class, whether some have it and some don't. The prof said he believes that all intuition comes from information that is gained through the 5 senses. I have thought a lot about this over the years given that staying alive for me meant the difference in having the ability to predict certain behaviors or not having that ability. There are definitely people who don't have it. I do believe the predictions are based on information obtained through the 5 senses, and that information has not necessarily been processed through the cortex, the seat of human thought. We see, we know. Without even having to think.

When I was in my master's program we learned about the brain from the inside out. On the inside there is the brain stem that keeps the body functioning with no conscious thought. Everyone has it and that mechanism is called the 'reptilian brain.' It's only focus is survival of the organism. There is no nurturing, playfulness, or love from this area of the brain. Reptiles do not nurture their young and are not playful the way mammals are. As you move outward through the various structures, the brain houses the areas responsible for nurturing, thinking, planning, loving, etc. Those areas will never override the reptilian brain because the organism has to live. But those areas will temper the actions of the reptilian brain so that we become able to live in societal groups.

I know you have studied many things and so you likely know about the next thing I'm going to say. Thinking in words is not the highest level of thinking. There is a level of thinking that goes higher than words. Some people are able to go into short trance like states and in these states, they are thinking in symbols and pictures, not words. That is the purest and highest level of thought. It is highly regarded in many parts of the world. I have often been caught 'daydreaming' by the east Indian doctors and techs. They have told me that they plan for time in their day to enter this state because they believe people who develop the skill posses greater insight than others. I notice when I see someone else doing it, and it in this country I'd say it is almost 100% unintentional, the person will often apologize for not being attentive. I always tell them to look up certain things in order to fully understand what they are doing. That daydreaming state is a meditative state admired many places, but not here. I think a lot of people achieve that meditative state and in it they are able to discern the things like the person you speak of. It is a wonderful place to escape to as well, there is no pain, no guilt, no suffering, nothing unpleasant. It is a dissociative escape that many people use in order to endure long periods of captivity or abuse. I recall once being on a trip with the band when the kids were in school. I saw one of the boys staring off into space and I said, 'you are in another world.' He replied, 'I like it there.'

It sounds as though the person you speak of has developed his thinking ability to that of a higher plane of thought. There are many people who have, I have met them. I recognize them and they recognize me. We even discuss the way we think. I remember one day talking about it with a therapist I worked with and a young social worker, listening in interjected, 'I think too.' LOL. I likely have explained it badly. But I'm sure you will get my drift.

I'll catch you later. It's a beautiful day and I think I'm going to opt for the walk instead of the nap. BBL.
 
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obama is actually very consistent in his actions with the views he was indoctrinated with from his early youth

That is true. There is an old saying: Tell me who your friends are and I will tell you who you are.

I don't think it takes much in the way of prophecy to have predicted the Obama presidency. Anyone who understands the above adage and who has a good comprehension of cause and effect would have no trouble whatsoever predicting Obama's actions. I have posted this on another thread, but one case in point: After I read the ACA, I explained it to a friend who pondered it for a moment and said, 'America will be single payer in 5 years.' And what has happened? The dominoes have started to fall and when they are all down the end one will drop onto the words, 'single payer.' It may not take 5 years.

As to the question of whether the age of prophecy is over. I don't know. I always took it that the prophets of the Bible garnered their prophecies from God and not just from observation of cause and effect and patterns of behavior. Observation is all it takes to prophesy Obama.

yes. It is present in the majority of European cultures.
Because it is true to it's core.

That is the reason why left was up in flames when Beck started methodically dissect those views and expose them to the general public.

Because the general public and even an educated one has no idea what marxism, socialism and communism is about.
Before it was scared by primitive slogans ( which were partially true but very primitive), later on when the left got it's handle on it, the subtle blurring the lines between the evil marxism and not so-evil social-democratism started - in order to make the failed and evil idea look acceptable.
Therefore the idiocy of "different socialisms" developed.
For anybody who knows Marxism from it's roots this acquittal of the evil and mislabeling of the social and economic therms is obvious as is the reason for doing so.

This is true. Beck was doing an amazing job of research and was taking his listeners to school on the allure and motives of Marxism just as Thomas Sowell has done. Unfortunately for Beck, he had a more popular bully pulpit to use with his radio program and his television exposure first on CNN and then Fox, which made it imperative for the leftists to destroy him.

If Thomas Sowell was getting anywhere close to that kind of attention or was able to generate the same degree of popular appeal, they would be doing their damndest to destroy him too. In the world of Marxism, opposing voices are not to be allowed with impunity and, if sufficiently effective, they are to be silenced. But few have done as much research or addressed the subject with as much understanding as Sowell has done. Which is why he splits no hairs in identifying Barack Obama as a Marxist.

I don't believe this book co-authored by Sowell is currently in print. It is available as an electronic talking book:

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(And no, it is not about Barack Obama and doesn't mention him. It was written in the 1980's.)
 
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obama is actually very consistent in his actions with the views he was indoctrinated with from his early youth

That is true. There is an old saying: Tell me who your friends are and I will tell you who you are.

I don't think it takes much in the way of prophecy to have predicted the Obama presidency. Anyone who understands the above adage and who has a good comprehension of cause and effect would have no trouble whatsoever predicting Obama's actions. I have posted this on another thread, but one case in point: After I read the ACA, I explained it to a friend who pondered it for a moment and said, 'America will be single payer in 5 years.' And what has happened? The dominoes have started to fall and when they are all down the end one will drop onto the words, 'single payer.' It may not take 5 years.

As to the question of whether the age of prophecy is over. I don't know. I always took it that the prophets of the Bible garnered their prophecies from God and not just from observation of cause and effect and patterns of behavior. Observation is all it takes to prophesy Obama.

But many of the prophecies of the Bible did observe cause and effect and patterns of behavior along with the vision of what would happen as a result of that behavior. And yes, Jews and Christians believe those prophecies were given by God to the prophets to speak.

So why do some, like Thomas Sowell, seem to have the ability to see the vision and speak the prophecy and others apparently don't? I don't recall anything he has ever written to suggest he is a religious person, but maybe his visions come from God too. Maybe that's where those of us who saw and understood from the beginning got our ability to do that. I don't know.

But many of the ancient prophets were not well received by those they informed and some were quite badly treated.

That much hasn't changed much in 3000 years.
Nothing new under the Son... or the father...take your pick...one in the same. Human history is written...and it keeps getting repeated.
 
In all honesty, this thread is not intended to bash Obama, but is intended to be a heads up and encouragement to think about what those in government intend as opposed to what they say.

President Obama is watching his signature legislation crumble before his eyes. And he is a man of sufficient ego, he won't go down without a fight. So if you're paying attention, he is already trying to divert attention away from Obamacare and toward other initiatives that he hopes will save his legacy. Two issues at the top of his list are Immigration Reform and Environmental Controls.

How much more of our libertiy are the people willing to put on the line to save his legacy?

This ego is a rightwing meme and nothing more.

Apparently people are willing to put a lot on the line..obamacare evil...nsa wiretapping..meh I rather drink my coffee..that basically sums up this whole situation. So in closing fuck your bible, fuck your moronic theory, but enjoy the patting on the back by like minded people.
 
In all honesty, this thread is not intended to bash Obama, but is intended to be a heads up and encouragement to think about what those in government intend as opposed to what they say.

President Obama is watching his signature legislation crumble before his eyes. And he is a man of sufficient ego, he won't go down without a fight. So if you're paying attention, he is already trying to divert attention away from Obamacare and toward other initiatives that he hopes will save his legacy. Two issues at the top of his list are Immigration Reform and Environmental Controls.

How much more of our libertiy are the people willing to put on the line to save his legacy?

well, of course he is going to divert attention from his signature failure.
it is not only immigration, it is the non-issue bill on gay protection and just wait and see when abortion is going to be invoked :lol:

There isn't a heck of a lot he can do with gay and abortion stuff though. And in truth, those issues, though important, won't affect the daily lives of most of us.

But a radical twist on immigration laws and environmental controls can and will affect our daily lives. And he has protention to impose those on us that will be very difficult to rescind effectively later. Just as Obamacare is already dismantling the private healthcare sector, and some of that is going to be very difficult to reverse if it can be done at all, a cruel assault on our energy industries or encouraging a wave of more illegals into the country can have serious consequences.
Hummmmmmm..... "Obamacare is already dismantling the private healthcare sector, ...." Hummmmmm .... Explain to us exactly how requiring more people to either purchase better insurance or insurance for the first time is "dismantling the private sector." Seems to me that if the insurance companies end up with more customers it is actually helping to build the private sector.
 
well, of course he is going to divert attention from his signature failure.
it is not only immigration, it is the non-issue bill on gay protection and just wait and see when abortion is going to be invoked :lol:

There isn't a heck of a lot he can do with gay and abortion stuff though. And in truth, those issues, though important, won't affect the daily lives of most of us.

But a radical twist on immigration laws and environmental controls can and will affect our daily lives. And he has protention to impose those on us that will be very difficult to rescind effectively later. Just as Obamacare is already dismantling the private healthcare sector, and some of that is going to be very difficult to reverse if it can be done at all, a cruel assault on our energy industries or encouraging a wave of more illegals into the country can have serious consequences.
Hummmmmmm..... "Obamacare is already dismantling the private healthcare sector, ...." Hummmmmm .... Explain to us exactly how requiring more people to either purchase better insurance or insurance for the first time is "dismantling the private sector." Seems to me that if the insurance companies end up with more customers it is actually helping to build the private sector.
FIRST? One must ask the logical question: WHY is government involved anyway in something that responsible people already DO for themselves?

See a keyword in my statement somewhere? I'll wait...Chances are YOU won't see it.
 
well, of course he is going to divert attention from his signature failure.
it is not only immigration, it is the non-issue bill on gay protection and just wait and see when abortion is going to be invoked :lol:

There isn't a heck of a lot he can do with gay and abortion stuff though. And in truth, those issues, though important, won't affect the daily lives of most of us.

But a radical twist on immigration laws and environmental controls can and will affect our daily lives. And he has protention to impose those on us that will be very difficult to rescind effectively later. Just as Obamacare is already dismantling the private healthcare sector, and some of that is going to be very difficult to reverse if it can be done at all, a cruel assault on our energy industries or encouraging a wave of more illegals into the country can have serious consequences.
Hummmmmmm..... "Obamacare is already dismantling the private healthcare sector, ...." Hummmmmm .... Explain to us exactly how requiring more people to either purchase better insurance or insurance for the first time is "dismantling the private sector." Seems to me that if the insurance companies end up with more customers it is actually helping to build the private sector.

Insurance companies won't wind up with more customers, however, with government mandates that require premiums more than people can afford to pay. And when enough people need subsidies just to buy the minimum 'legal' insurance coverage, the government then has justification to step in and take it over. Left leaning state governments have increasingly imposed rules and regulations on insurance that, along with irresponsible government programs, have driven premiums and healthcare costs through the roof.

You don't have to be much of a prophet to see the handwriting on the wall.

Here in Thomas Sowell's own words is another of his prophecies written November 5 of this year. Argue with his logic if you can:

. . . .Different people have different risks and different willingness to take care of risks themselves, instead of paying to have them transferred to an insurance company. But politicians in state after state have mandated what must be covered by insurance, regardless of what policy-holders and insurance companies might agree on if left free to make their own choices.

That has made it impossible to get less expensive insurance that covers only costly but rare medical problems.

Politicians love to play Santa Claus by handing out favors to voters, while depicting insurance companies as Scrooge when they raise insurance premiums to cover the costs of government mandates.

This kind of political game has been played for generations in other areas besides insurance.

Municipal transit used to be privately owned and run, but politicians would not allow the fares to be raised to a level that would cover costs. The net result was that private companies were driven out of business and local governments took over, saddling the taxpayers with the costs that fares don't cover.

That is what "single payer" means in any context — a government monopoly that virtually guarantees worse service. Why would anyone want that for something as crucial as medical care?

One reason, of course, is the ever seductive illusion of something for nothing, an illusion spread by glib politicians, posing as saviors of the public against villains in the private sector.

Yet another way in which ObamaCare is an old political story is that it began as supposedly a way to deal with the problem of a segment of the population — those without health insurance.

But, instead of directly helping those particular people to get insurance, the "solution" was to expand the government's power over everybody, including people who already had health insurance that they wanted to keep.

Since there has never been a society of human beings without at least some segment with some problem, this is a formula for a never-ending expansion of government power. Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are all on record as believing in a "single payer" system — that is, a government monopoly able to impose its own will on everybody. Even the current and future problems of ObamaCare can help them to reach that goal.
Thomas Sowell: An Old 'New' Program
 
There isn't a heck of a lot he can do with gay and abortion stuff though. And in truth, those issues, though important, won't affect the daily lives of most of us.

But a radical twist on immigration laws and environmental controls can and will affect our daily lives. And he has protention to impose those on us that will be very difficult to rescind effectively later. Just as Obamacare is already dismantling the private healthcare sector, and some of that is going to be very difficult to reverse if it can be done at all, a cruel assault on our energy industries or encouraging a wave of more illegals into the country can have serious consequences.
Hummmmmmm..... "Obamacare is already dismantling the private healthcare sector, ...." Hummmmmm .... Explain to us exactly how requiring more people to either purchase better insurance or insurance for the first time is "dismantling the private sector." Seems to me that if the insurance companies end up with more customers it is actually helping to build the private sector.
FIRST? One must ask the logical question: WHY is government involved anyway in something that responsible people already DO for themselves?

See a keyword in my statement somewhere? I'll wait...Chances are YOU won't see it.

Gov.?. it was not about the health insurance in the first place.it was about (power).
 
Every good prophet knows to write about subjects well studied and keep the predictions vague.

. . . . Senator Obama is running on an image that is directly the opposite of what he has been doing for two decades. His escapes from his past have been as remarkable as the great escapes of Houdini. , ,

It gives us an insight into the huge gulf between Senator Obama's election year image and what he has actually been for and against over the preceding decades. It also shows the huge gulf between his values and those of most other Americans.

The old phrase, "a man of high ideals but no principles," is one that applies all too painfully to Barack Obama today. His words expressing lofty ideals may appeal to the gullible but his long history of having no principles makes him a danger of the first magnitude in the White House.

Vague predictions and political bitching does not a prophet make.

*yawn*​


Show me a republican who predicted a second Obama term and I'll show you a true American prophet.
 
Every good prophet knows to write about subjects well studied and keep the predictions vague.

. . . . Senator Obama is running on an image that is directly the opposite of what he has been doing for two decades. His escapes from his past have been as remarkable as the great escapes of Houdini. , ,

It gives us an insight into the huge gulf between Senator Obama's election year image and what he has actually been for and against over the preceding decades. It also shows the huge gulf between his values and those of most other Americans.

The old phrase, "a man of high ideals but no principles," is one that applies all too painfully to Barack Obama today. His words expressing lofty ideals may appeal to the gullible but his long history of having no principles makes him a danger of the first magnitude in the White House.

Vague predictions and political bitching does not a prophet make.

*yawn*​


Show me a republican who predicted a second Obama term and I'll show you a true American prophet.

O'Reilly did
 
Are you kidding, socialist regulation of insurers jumps costs lol- and our present Pubscam costs twice as much as any of them, with 45k deaths and 750k bankruptcies....

You are total functional MORONS, dupes lol
 
Every good prophet knows to write about subjects well studied and keep the predictions vague.

. . . . Senator Obama is running on an image that is directly the opposite of what he has been doing for two decades. His escapes from his past have been as remarkable as the great escapes of Houdini. , ,

It gives us an insight into the huge gulf between Senator Obama's election year image and what he has actually been for and against over the preceding decades. It also shows the huge gulf between his values and those of most other Americans.

The old phrase, "a man of high ideals but no principles," is one that applies all too painfully to Barack Obama today. His words expressing lofty ideals may appeal to the gullible but his long history of having no principles makes him a danger of the first magnitude in the White House.

Vague predictions and political bitching does not a prophet make.

*yawn*​


Show me a republican who predicted a second Obama term and I'll show you a true American prophet.

Schwarzenegger

And now put those same quotations back into their full context and tell me that there is anything vague about them.
 
There is a passage in the Bible in which the Apostle Paul opines that a time will come when prophecy will cease. These days I wonder if that means literally that there will be no more prophets? Or does it mean that the people will lose their ability to hear and consider prophetic vision?

In 2008, Thomas Sowell used his 'bully pulpit" in a series of essays to warn us what we would be getting with a Barack Obama presidency. He was largely ignored, even by most conservatives.

And now I can look back over the last five years and believe that those essays were pure prophecy.

Agree or disagree.
You call sowell a prophet because he is telling you exactly what you want to hear. This is a hint you might consider: Real prophets tell you what you don't want to hear. For example, here is a prophecy you don't want to hear: Unless the gop changes its way of treating women and minorities they will continue to lose elections. Here is a suggestion for you: Shut of fox, limbaugh and stop reading your false "prophet," climb out of your bubble, and start living in the real world.
Frankly, the only thing I find interesting about sowell is the first three letters of his name.
 
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Every good prophet knows to write about subjects well studied and keep the predictions vague.

. . . . Senator Obama is running on an image that is directly the opposite of what he has been doing for two decades. His escapes from his past have been as remarkable as the great escapes of Houdini. , ,



The old phrase, "a man of high ideals but no principles," is one that applies all too painfully to Barack Obama today. His words expressing lofty ideals may appeal to the gullible but his long history of having no principles makes him a danger of the first magnitude in the White House.

Vague predictions and political bitching does not a prophet make.

*yawn*​


Show me a republican who predicted a second Obama term and I'll show you a true American prophet.

O'Reilly did

Good for him. A real prophet will tell it like it is in spite of personal feelings on the matter. Has he said anything about Obamacare succeeding?
 
Every good prophet knows to write about subjects well studied and keep the predictions vague.

. . . . Senator Obama is running on an image that is directly the opposite of what he has been doing for two decades. His escapes from his past have been as remarkable as the great escapes of Houdini. , ,



The old phrase, "a man of high ideals but no principles," is one that applies all too painfully to Barack Obama today. His words expressing lofty ideals may appeal to the gullible but his long history of having no principles makes him a danger of the first magnitude in the White House.

Vague predictions and political bitching does not a prophet make.

*yawn*​


Show me a republican who predicted a second Obama term and I'll show you a true American prophet.

Schwarzenegger

And now put those same quotations back into their full context and tell me that there is anything vague about them.

Innocent until proven guilty, Kiddo.

It's up to you to put up the specific predictions that came true.
 

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