A Different Type of Secession is Already Happening in USA

[candycorn]

If Chicago did not exist, wouldn't Illinois be better off? Detroit is killing Michigan. To think the poorly run cities are anything but a drain on their states is laughable.

Quick name another city in Illinois.

Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

Joliet, Springfield, Rockford, Peoria, Champaign-Urbana, and Skokie...

It took you the better part of an hour to look up those other "towns". Do any of them have a post office? LOL

I read your response and answered it as soon as I read it seeing I grew up in Crest Hill, Illinois and lived in Harrisburg, Illinois for a few years...

All of those I wrote should have their own Post Office seeing they are towns with populations over ten thousand...

Joliet is a Prison Town and famously known for it appearance in the Sting with Robert Redford and Paul Newman...

Yeah...it was sort of tongue in cheek. Sorry if I offended you. Seriously. I had heard of all of those places....

 

[citygator]

All the wealth of the country is compiled in urban cities. Of course to conservatives this means they are failing. Ergo Conservatives are Communists!!!!

 

[Devils_Advocate]

If Chicago did not exist, wouldn't Illinois be better off? Detroit is killing Michigan. To think the poorly run cities are anything but a drain on their states is laughable.

Quick name another city in Illinois.

Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

Joliet, Springfield, Rockford, Peoria, Champaign-Urbana, and Skokie...

It took you the better part of an hour to look up those other "towns". Do any of them have a post office? LOL

I read your response and answered it as soon as I read it seeing I grew up in Crest Hill, Illinois and lived in Harrisburg, Illinois for a few years...

All of those I wrote should have their own Post Office seeing they are towns with populations over ten thousand...

Joliet is a Prison Town and famously known for it appearance in the Sting with Robert Redford and Paul Newman...

Yeah...it was sort of tongue in cheek. Sorry if I offended you. Seriously. I had heard of all of those places....

You didn’t offend me but many idiots ( not you ) can not understand that Illinois is more than Chicago and Joliet is a lot rougher than the South Side of Chi-Town and believe me I have had my ass kicked there more times than not...

Also Chi-Town is progressive but the rest of Illinois is red as can be and many in towns like Harrisburg are hardcore Republican to Libertarian...

 

[Uncensored2008]

It hasn't been "debunked" at all. Red states receive the vast majority of federal subsidies and benefits, because no one wants to live in those states.

Debunked.

Against a national average of $1,935 in intergovernmental spending per American, red states receive just $1,879. Blue states get considerably more, at $2,124 per resident.​

Are Red States Tax Takers And Blue States Tax Makers?

Against a national average of $1,935 in intergovernmental spending per American, red states receive just $1,879. Blue states get considerably more.

thefederalist.com

From YOUR ARTICLE:

Democrats are correct on this fact. The blue states did pay more per capita in federal taxes than the red did. The $12,648 per capita taxation there is 118 percent of the national average. The purple states fell in between the two, slightly below the national average.

Since blue state residents pay more taxes per capita, they should get more back. Duh.

And you Republicans are the ones who supposedly hate taxes so much, remember? Therefore, your red states should be taking a lot less from the Federal government. Talk about hypocritcal.

Because the number of tax payers per 1000 is lower in communist controlled (blue) states. Income inequality is VASTLY greater in the communist states. Those who pay any taxes do pay more than the average taxpayer in the American states. But because wealth is highly concentrated in blue states, a smaller proportion of people pay taxes at all.

 

[Crepitus]

A DIFFERENT TYPE OF SECESSION IS ALREADY HAPPENING IN USA​

A DIFFERENT TYPE OF SECESSION IS ALREADY HAPPENING IN USA

A DIFFERENT TYPE OF SECESSION IS ALREADY HAPPENING IN USA, The secession of 1860 will not happen again, but a different kind is already taking place

canadafreepress.com

By Jeff Crouere
The secession of 1860 will not happen again, but a different kind is already taking place
Lately there has been so much frustration with the last election and the direction of our country that some Trump supporters have been talking about “secession.” Many conservatives and libertarians are asking if it makes sense for certain states to leave the union the way South Carolina left in 1860, after the election of Abraham Lincoln as President of the United States.
Whether it makes “sense” or not, we can be assured that it will not happen. Although the South Carolina state legislature voted in November of 1860 to initiate the process of secession, no state legislature would do that today. This is because most modern state legislatures, even conservative ones, do not have many members who are angry enough at the federal government to support seceding from it.
Americans who live in rural and some suburban areas are executing a secession of their own
Who can forget what happened to Mark and Patricia McCloskey in St. Louis?
Urban areas have been failing Financialally for years
In large cities, politicians spend vast sums of money on enormous municipal government systems which include inefficient departments featuring payrolls that are too large and are too expensive. Other characteristics include broken infrastructure, rampant homelessness, and an overly generous municipal pension system.
How much longer will productive taxpayers living in rural and suburban communities agree to subsidize large cities? Sooner or later, these citizens will say “Enough is enough, we want out!” They will want the urban centers to form their own “United Cities of America,” with their own laws and lifestyles. Simultaneously, Americans living in non-urban areas will want to forge closer bonds of their own as similarities are recognized even more.
The secession of 1860 will not happen again, but a different kind is already taking place.

Comment:
We have seen this happening daily in the Blue Plantation Sanctuary cities and their surronding areas like New York, Chicago, Baltimore, Minneapolis, St, Louis, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Seattle and Portland, while the people in rural and suburban areas pay the taxes to the state and get little in the way of safety and support from the City and State.

Premise is totally backwards. High density population in cities generates more taxes than rural communities. Cities are also where the tax paying businesses are and where wealthy folks choose to live.

Urban supports rural, not the other way around.

The problem is that Urban doesn't support anyone. It is a weird way to look at things. No one disputes that they generate huge amounts of money, but yet they are still in massive debt and hurting their entire states. Illinois without Chicago would be Indiana, and people are all ready leaving from Illinois to Inidana in huge numbers. Cities don't prop anyone up. They are money sucking pits.

Chicago isn't a representative example. They're pretty much bottom of the barrel thanks to the auto companies moving out over the last couple of decades. The exodus of jobs led to an exodus of population and left the city with a huge support staff for people who no longer lived there. The biggest problem they face is unfunded pensions for that huge workforce they had to reduce so suddenly.

Chicago and auto companies????

My bad, for some reason I had it in me head we were talking about detroit.

Fair enough. I figured you were referring to Detroit. But, did the entire auto industry move out? How did the city government respond? More taxes and regulations or less? What did the city government do to attract new industry?

Very nearly the entire auto industry moved out. Abandoned factories everywhere. Bulldozing abandoned houses is a growth industry there.

Now keep in mind this didn't happen overnight, but the city lost over half it's population in 30-40 years and has continued to shrink. Back in it's heyday Detroit had almost two million residents. These days they're around half a million.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

The populated blue states already subsidize the unpopulated red states.

States like Mississippi and Alabama will become even more worthless if states like California and New York no longer support them and keep them afloat.

So, why do you care?

Let them sink.

 

[LeftofLeft]

A DIFFERENT TYPE OF SECESSION IS ALREADY HAPPENING IN USA​

A DIFFERENT TYPE OF SECESSION IS ALREADY HAPPENING IN USA

A DIFFERENT TYPE OF SECESSION IS ALREADY HAPPENING IN USA, The secession of 1860 will not happen again, but a different kind is already taking place

canadafreepress.com

By Jeff Crouere
The secession of 1860 will not happen again, but a different kind is already taking place
Lately there has been so much frustration with the last election and the direction of our country that some Trump supporters have been talking about “secession.” Many conservatives and libertarians are asking if it makes sense for certain states to leave the union the way South Carolina left in 1860, after the election of Abraham Lincoln as President of the United States.
Whether it makes “sense” or not, we can be assured that it will not happen. Although the South Carolina state legislature voted in November of 1860 to initiate the process of secession, no state legislature would do that today. This is because most modern state legislatures, even conservative ones, do not have many members who are angry enough at the federal government to support seceding from it.
Americans who live in rural and some suburban areas are executing a secession of their own
Who can forget what happened to Mark and Patricia McCloskey in St. Louis?
Urban areas have been failing Financialally for years
In large cities, politicians spend vast sums of money on enormous municipal government systems which include inefficient departments featuring payrolls that are too large and are too expensive. Other characteristics include broken infrastructure, rampant homelessness, and an overly generous municipal pension system.
How much longer will productive taxpayers living in rural and suburban communities agree to subsidize large cities? Sooner or later, these citizens will say “Enough is enough, we want out!” They will want the urban centers to form their own “United Cities of America,” with their own laws and lifestyles. Simultaneously, Americans living in non-urban areas will want to forge closer bonds of their own as similarities are recognized even more.
The secession of 1860 will not happen again, but a different kind is already taking place.

Comment:
We have seen this happening daily in the Blue Plantation Sanctuary cities and their surronding areas like New York, Chicago, Baltimore, Minneapolis, St, Louis, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Seattle and Portland, while the people in rural and suburban areas pay the taxes to the state and get little in the way of safety and support from the City and State.

Premise is totally backwards. High density population in cities generates more taxes than rural communities. Cities are also where the tax paying businesses are and where wealthy folks choose to live.

Urban supports rural, not the other way around.

The problem is that Urban doesn't support anyone. It is a weird way to look at things. No one disputes that they generate huge amounts of money, but yet they are still in massive debt and hurting their entire states. Illinois without Chicago would be Indiana, and people are all ready leaving from Illinois to Inidana in huge numbers. Cities don't prop anyone up. They are money sucking pits.

Chicago isn't a representative example. They're pretty much bottom of the barrel thanks to the auto companies moving out over the last couple of decades. The exodus of jobs led to an exodus of population and left the city with a huge support staff for people who no longer lived there. The biggest problem they face is unfunded pensions for that huge workforce they had to reduce so suddenly.

Chicago and auto companies????

My bad, for some reason I had it in me head we were talking about detroit.

Fair enough. I figured you were referring to Detroit. But, did the entire auto industry move out? How did the city government respond? More taxes and regulations or less? What did the city government do to attract new industry?

Very nearly the entire auto industry moved out. Abandoned factories everywhere. Bulldozing abandoned houses is a growth industry there.

Now keep in mind this didn't happen overnight, but the city lost over half it's population in 30-40 years and has continued to shrink. Back in it's heyday Detroit had almost two million residents. These days they're around half a million.

I hear the same argument in my home state of Maryland with Baltimore. So why did those factories leave? What have been the policies from state and locals to bring jobs back? How about corruption in city politics?

 

[Crepitus]

A DIFFERENT TYPE OF SECESSION IS ALREADY HAPPENING IN USA​

A DIFFERENT TYPE OF SECESSION IS ALREADY HAPPENING IN USA

A DIFFERENT TYPE OF SECESSION IS ALREADY HAPPENING IN USA, The secession of 1860 will not happen again, but a different kind is already taking place

canadafreepress.com

By Jeff Crouere
The secession of 1860 will not happen again, but a different kind is already taking place
Lately there has been so much frustration with the last election and the direction of our country that some Trump supporters have been talking about “secession.” Many conservatives and libertarians are asking if it makes sense for certain states to leave the union the way South Carolina left in 1860, after the election of Abraham Lincoln as President of the United States.
Whether it makes “sense” or not, we can be assured that it will not happen. Although the South Carolina state legislature voted in November of 1860 to initiate the process of secession, no state legislature would do that today. This is because most modern state legislatures, even conservative ones, do not have many members who are angry enough at the federal government to support seceding from it.
Americans who live in rural and some suburban areas are executing a secession of their own
Who can forget what happened to Mark and Patricia McCloskey in St. Louis?
Urban areas have been failing Financialally for years
In large cities, politicians spend vast sums of money on enormous municipal government systems which include inefficient departments featuring payrolls that are too large and are too expensive. Other characteristics include broken infrastructure, rampant homelessness, and an overly generous municipal pension system.
How much longer will productive taxpayers living in rural and suburban communities agree to subsidize large cities? Sooner or later, these citizens will say “Enough is enough, we want out!” They will want the urban centers to form their own “United Cities of America,” with their own laws and lifestyles. Simultaneously, Americans living in non-urban areas will want to forge closer bonds of their own as similarities are recognized even more.
The secession of 1860 will not happen again, but a different kind is already taking place.

Comment:
We have seen this happening daily in the Blue Plantation Sanctuary cities and their surronding areas like New York, Chicago, Baltimore, Minneapolis, St, Louis, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Seattle and Portland, while the people in rural and suburban areas pay the taxes to the state and get little in the way of safety and support from the City and State.

Premise is totally backwards. High density population in cities generates more taxes than rural communities. Cities are also where the tax paying businesses are and where wealthy folks choose to live.

Urban supports rural, not the other way around.

The problem is that Urban doesn't support anyone. It is a weird way to look at things. No one disputes that they generate huge amounts of money, but yet they are still in massive debt and hurting their entire states. Illinois without Chicago would be Indiana, and people are all ready leaving from Illinois to Inidana in huge numbers. Cities don't prop anyone up. They are money sucking pits.

Chicago isn't a representative example. They're pretty much bottom of the barrel thanks to the auto companies moving out over the last couple of decades. The exodus of jobs led to an exodus of population and left the city with a huge support staff for people who no longer lived there. The biggest problem they face is unfunded pensions for that huge workforce they had to reduce so suddenly.

Chicago and auto companies????

My bad, for some reason I had it in me head we were talking about detroit.

Fair enough. I figured you were referring to Detroit. But, did the entire auto industry move out? How did the city government respond? More taxes and regulations or less? What did the city government do to attract new industry?

Very nearly the entire auto industry moved out. Abandoned factories everywhere. Bulldozing abandoned houses is a growth industry there.

Now keep in mind this didn't happen overnight, but the city lost over half it's population in 30-40 years and has continued to shrink. Back in it's heyday Detroit had almost two million residents. These days they're around half a million.

I hear the same argument in my home state of Maryland with Baltimore. So why did those factories leave? What have been the policies from state and locals to bring jobs back? How about corruption in city politics?

Offshoring mostly.

 

[anotherlife]

Secession will be increasingly difficult because there is a very large flux of migration of liberals from the blue states to the red ones.

 

[bodecea]

The populated blue states already subsidize the unpopulated red states.

States like Mississippi and Alabama will become even more worthless if states like California and New York no longer support them and keep them afloat.

Lie. That has been debunked. As an example, they count Social Security benefits in Florida as subsidization. BS. Plus military bases, which of course are of national import.

BTW NY has been losing population for at least 6 decades and CA is now suffering the same fate. But I love how you crap all over the citizens of MS and Al, typical douche lefty that you are.

It hasn't been "debunked" at all. Red states receive the vast majority of federal subsidies and benefits, because no one wants to live in those states.

They should enact all those GOP actions in Red states...get rid of public ed....get rid of the EPA, OSHA, and any health laws......frack all they want....etc. Should be fun to watch.

 

[Concerned American]

The populated blue states already subsidize the unpopulated red states.

States like Mississippi and Alabama will become even more worthless if states like California and New York no longer support them and keep them afloat.

Lie. That has been debunked. As an example, they count Social Security benefits in Florida as subsidization. BS. Plus military bases, which of course are of national import.

BTW NY has been losing population for at least 6 decades and CA is now suffering the same fate. But I love how you crap all over the citizens of MS and Al, typical douche lefty that you are.

It hasn't been "debunked" at all. Red states receive the vast majority of federal subsidies and benefits, because no one wants to live in those states.

Bullshit. How does CA contribute to anyone when they take more than they pay in? California no longer pays more to Washington than it gets back, study finds Shut up you parasitic moron.

 

[Concerned American]

If Chicago did not exist, wouldn't Illinois be better off? Detroit is killing Michigan. To think the poorly run cities are anything but a drain on their states is laughable.

Same with LA, SF, Portland, Seattle, Minneapolis, Baltimore, Philadelphia etc.

 

[Dadoalex]

A DIFFERENT TYPE OF SECESSION IS ALREADY HAPPENING IN USA​

A DIFFERENT TYPE OF SECESSION IS ALREADY HAPPENING IN USA

A DIFFERENT TYPE OF SECESSION IS ALREADY HAPPENING IN USA, The secession of 1860 will not happen again, but a different kind is already taking place

canadafreepress.com

By Jeff Crouere
The secession of 1860 will not happen again, but a different kind is already taking place
Lately there has been so much frustration with the last election and the direction of our country that some Trump supporters have been talking about “secession.” Many conservatives and libertarians are asking if it makes sense for certain states to leave the union the way South Carolina left in 1860, after the election of Abraham Lincoln as President of the United States.
Whether it makes “sense” or not, we can be assured that it will not happen. Although the South Carolina state legislature voted in November of 1860 to initiate the process of secession, no state legislature would do that today. This is because most modern state legislatures, even conservative ones, do not have many members who are angry enough at the federal government to support seceding from it.
Americans who live in rural and some suburban areas are executing a secession of their own
Who can forget what happened to Mark and Patricia McCloskey in St. Louis?
Urban areas have been failing Financialally for years
In large cities, politicians spend vast sums of money on enormous municipal government systems which include inefficient departments featuring payrolls that are too large and are too expensive. Other characteristics include broken infrastructure, rampant homelessness, and an overly generous municipal pension system.
How much longer will productive taxpayers living in rural and suburban communities agree to subsidize large cities? Sooner or later, these citizens will say “Enough is enough, we want out!” They will want the urban centers to form their own “United Cities of America,” with their own laws and lifestyles. Simultaneously, Americans living in non-urban areas will want to forge closer bonds of their own as similarities are recognized even more.
The secession of 1860 will not happen again, but a different kind is already taking place.

Comment:
We have seen this happening daily in the Blue Plantation Sanctuary cities and their surronding areas like New York, Chicago, Baltimore, Minneapolis, St, Louis, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Seattle and Portland, while the people in rural and suburban areas pay the taxes to the state and get little in the way of safety and support from the City and State.

Golly gee whiz...

How does this explain "gentrification" going on in every major city in the country?

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Good question.... Who are the gentry, gentrifying the city slums?
The influx of more affluent residents and businesses into the seedier spots of the city. It is a common and controversial topic in politics and in urban planning. Gentrification often increases the economic value of a neighborhood.

Is “Gentrification” Going the Way of “Slum”? – PhillyHistory Blog

blog.phillyhistory.org

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Shifting Neighborhoods: Gentrification and Cultural Displacement in American Cities » NCRC

NCRC found that many major American cities showed signs of gentrification and some racialized displacement between 2000 and 2013.

ncrc.org

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but...but...BUUUUUUUUUUUUUT
wasn't the claim that all those people were moving OUT if the cities???????
Seems actual facts kills your thread.