A different two-state solution

[Augustine_]

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict might be resolved by the creation of two states: Israel, incorporating the Golan Heights and the West Bank, and a separate Palestinian Gaza.

Palestinians within the West Bank would become full citizens of Israel. Minus Gaza, Jews would still be a majority in the enlarged nation. However, to avoid the “right of return” being used as a demographic weapon, new immigrants to Israel would have to be divided equally between Jews and Palestinians, perhaps with a limit of 5,000 each per year. The admission of other foreign workers would be discouraged or banned to enable Palestinians to more fully integrate into the Israeli economy.

The walls and checkpoints in the West Bank would be gradually dismantled.

Gaza would be occupied, governed and demilitarized by forces and administrators from the United Nations and/or a moderate Arab nation such as Jordan for a period of ten years, after which the Gaza residents would be granted full, independent statehood.

The Jews hate the Arabs as much as the Arabs hate the Jews

 

[rylah]

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict might be resolved by the creation of two states: Israel, incorporating the Golan Heights and the West Bank, and a separate Palestinian Gaza.

The Gaza Emirate already happened.
What You're discussing here are the basic stages to bring it to prosperity.
On the intellectual level, I think we agree, let's see if we can find common ground further.

Palestinians within the West Bank would become full citizens of Israel. Minus Gaza, Jews would still be a majority in the enlarged nation. However, to avoid the “right of return” being used as a demographic weapon, new immigrants to Israel would have to be divided equally between Jews and Palestinians, perhaps with a limit of 5,000 each per year. The admission of other foreign workers would be discouraged or banned to enable Palestinians to more fully integrate into the Israeli economy.

What is the purpose of limiting immigrants by dry statistics?
If to merely prevent it being a demographic weapon, then it suggest numbers to be allotted by ethnicity.

How about we change that to screening of criminal activity and allegiance to the nation.
Wouldn't that address a wider array of potential security problems?

The walls and checkpoints in the West Bank would be gradually dismantled.

Wholly agree on that point, an important one.
The young Israeli generation doesn't look for division of the land.
It's exactly the details we're discussing here for that to happen.
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Gaza would be occupied, governed and demilitarized by forces and administrators from the United Nations and/or a moderate Arab nation such as Jordan for a period of ten years, after which the Gaza residents would be granted full, independent statehood.

Yes, the Gaza Emirate plan.
When I favored Dr. Mordechai Kedar's Emirate solution, that was my vision of the implementation, in direct participation of regional powers, as part of a coordinated regional economic development, sort of unified regional trade zone.

That's the de-militarization step, or separation of 'militants from civilian population',
and that's required not only in Gaza but in Judea Samaria as well, see the solution above.

You do realize, all of these, as per Your proposition, Dr. Kedar's, or the above,
all eventually pertain military measures?

 

[rylah]

The UN? Given the educational tools they have used,

I used to think a two state solution was a good call, 20 years ago. That ship sailed. One state solution.

Agreed.

Full rights to all in who reside in Israel.

And? If Israel loses it's Jewish characteristics? Well, that is the price it pays for taking over such large swaths of Arab populations.

Soon, in another 100, 200 years, it will just be another Arab nation. They'll just have to get rid of all mentions of special rights and observations of anything Jewish.

And if all those who chose to, acquire those rights,
and Israel remains a Jewish nation?

What's the purpose,
and who are you to agree or disagree?

 

[rylah]

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict might be resolved by the creation of two states: Israel, incorporating the Golan Heights and the West Bank, and a separate Palestinian Gaza.

Palestinians within the West Bank would become full citizens of Israel. Minus Gaza, Jews would still be a majority in the enlarged nation. However, to avoid the “right of return” being used as a demographic weapon, new immigrants to Israel would have to be divided equally between Jews and Palestinians, perhaps with a limit of 5,000 each per year. The admission of other foreign workers would be discouraged or banned to enable Palestinians to more fully integrate into the Israeli economy.

The walls and checkpoints in the West Bank would be gradually dismantled.

Gaza would be occupied, governed and demilitarized by forces and administrators from the United Nations and/or a moderate Arab nation such as Jordan for a period of ten years, after which the Gaza residents would be granted full, independent statehood.

The Jews hate the Arabs as much as the Arabs hate the Jews

It's surely easier to rely on such shallow equations,
than deal with complicated facts.

Jews didn't invade Arabia,
neither have a commandment to convert and force them into submission.

While Islam since its beginning, following with its core tenants till today,
remains directly hostile toward Jews.

Though it wouldn't be fair without mentioning that there're several Muslim nations making measurable efforts at the forefront of a wide regional reform occurring right now.

 

[Robert Urbanek]

As an incentive for Hamas leaders in Gaza to cooperate, many would be granted non-security related administrative posts under the supervision of the occupying forces. In addition, Israel would hold in trust an area of land extending one kilometer into Israel along the entire Israel-Gaza border, which would be ceded to Gaza if the 10-year transition is completed peacefully.

This proposal recognizes “facts on the ground” in terms of Israeli settlements, eliminates the apartheid-like treatment of Palestinians and addresses Israeli concerns about Hamas threats from Gaza.

 

[Picaro]

As an incentive for Hamas leaders in Gaza to cooperate, many would be granted non-security related administrative posts under the supervision of the occupying forces. In addition, Israel would hold in trust an area of land extending one kilometer into Israel along the entire Israel-Gaza border, which would be ceded to Gaza if the 10-year transition is completed peacefully.

This proposal recognizes “facts on the ground” in terms of Israeli settlements, eliminates the apartheid-like treatment of Palestinians and addresses Israeli concerns about Hamas threats from Gaza.

It wouldn't last a month.

 

[member]

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict might be resolved by the creation of two states: Israel, incorporating the Golan Heights and the West Bank, and a separate Palestinian Gaza.

Palestinians within the West Bank would become full citizens of Israel. Minus Gaza, Jews would still be a majority in the enlarged nation. However, to avoid the “right of return” being used as a demographic weapon, new immigrants to Israel would have to be divided equally between Jews and Palestinians, perhaps with a limit of 5,000 each per year. The admission of other foreign workers would be discouraged or banned to enable Palestinians to more fully integrate into the Israeli economy.

The walls and checkpoints in the West Bank would be gradually dismantled.

Gaza would be occupied, governed and demilitarized by forces and administrators from the United Nations and/or a moderate Arab nation such as Jordan for a period of ten years, after which the Gaza residents would be granted full, independent statehood.

There’s only 1 solution…(one doesn’t have to be christiane amanpour or joe political jewish/arab/whatever analyst/scholar/expert of the “Middle east” to know what the solution really should be –you could be:












….and know:

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[Robert Urbanek]

Given the prospect of Hamas losing control of the Gaza Strip, I think my proposal for a different two-state solution is worth a second look.

 

[Robert Urbanek]

I would amend my proposal to include this expanded Gaza:

 

[Shusha]

Gaza would be occupied, governed and demilitarized by forces and administrators from the United Nations and/or a moderate Arab nation such as Jordan for a period of ten years, after which the Gaza residents would be granted full, independent statehood.

Counter-proposal:

Gaza is occupied, demilitarized, governed, and administrated by Israel and local non-violent Gazans for a period of fifty years (two generations), after which Gazan residents would vote in a referendum for full, independent statehood or for incorporation into Israel.