A Child Can't Call 2 Women or 2 Men "Mom & Dad"

Structurally, for the sake of kids, do states have the right to define marriage for themselves?

  • No, this is best left up to 9 Justices in the US Supreme Court.

    Votes: 10 47.6%
  • Yes, this is best left up to the discreet communities of states.

    Votes: 11 52.4%

  • Total voters
    21
Yes, I posted most of it from another thread because it fit what was being discussed perfectly. I sometimes do that to save myself time. Don't you have a more substantive rebuttal to the points I made or is your ad hominem meant to shield the fact that you're speechless as to how to rebut my points?

Having already responded to the points in another thread where you posted the exact same thing, I felt no need to copy/paste as you do.

And since you seem to dense to realize it, the reason I bring up the fact of your spamming is because you have a habit of complaining about others spamming. That's just funny. :lol:

Why don't you post a link to the Prince's Trust Youth Index from a few years ago again, and tell us how it concludes that gay marriage is bad for children because 50% of gay marriages lack an opposite gender role model? ;)
 
There's an option missing in the poll; this should be decided by the people of the USA themselves. The courts have no business legislating from the bench. We should not accept the subversiveness of our nation's leadership.
 
There's an option missing in the poll; this should be decided by the people of the USA themselves. The courts have no business legislating from the bench. We should not accept the subversiveness of our nation's leadership.
That's what I meant when I said states' discreet communities should decide. That's what that question means.
 
Why don't you post a link to the Prince's Trust Youth Index from a few years ago again, and tell us how it concludes that gay marriage is bad for children because 50% of gay marriages lack an opposite gender role model?

2010 is the ancient past now eh? Not quite five years ago is "an old fashioned notion"?

That alone should be alarming to anyone reading your post. The hub of society and the formative nest of children (marriage, a thousands-year old term defined even in your formative home, Montrovant, as "father/mother, man/wife") should not change so rapidly in experimental form so that less than five years prior is seen as "outdated history"..

..what will be outdated today in less than five years hence with regard to this untried experiment?
 
Why don't you post a link to the Prince's Trust Youth Index from a few years ago again, and tell us how it concludes that gay marriage is bad for children because 50% of gay marriages lack an opposite gender role model?

2010 is the ancient past now eh? Not quite five years ago is "an old fashioned notion"?

That alone should be alarming to anyone reading your post. The hub of society and the formative nest of children (marriage, a thousands-year old term defined even in your formative home, Montrovant, as "father/mother, man/wife") should not change so rapidly in experimental form so that less than five years prior is seen as "outdated history"..

..what will be outdated today in less than five years hence with regard to this untried experiment?

LOL, you once again show you don't understand how quotes work. I never said, nor implied, that the Prince's Trust Youth Index you continuously link to is "the ancient past" nor "and old fashioned notion". My use of quotations makes sense as I am actually quoting your post. You, on the other hand, pulled the old fashioned notion and outdated history phrases out of thin air, yet put them in quotes as though I had said it.

I said the Index you link is from a few years ago. 2010 is, in fact, a few years ago. Strange how, if lack of same-gender role models is such an important factor in determining the lives of children, the Index has not continued to track it in subsequent years. Why is that, do you think? If the conclusion of the Index is that lack of same gender role models is such a detriment, why did they stop asking about it? Unless, of course, the actual point of the Index is not same gender role models, but is instead the overall happiness and well being of youths in the UK, as the Index itself states......

Also, marriage has not always been defined as one man and one woman. Even leaving out homosexual marriage, polygamy has been practiced and accepted in societies as well, not to mention marriage with one man and one woman but multiple lovers. So the implication that a one man, one woman marriage is the way it has always been and that the word marriage never changes is certainly untrue. Even just in this country marriage has undergone numerous changes prior to same sex marriage; from marriage between races, to the rights of women, to the availability of divorce.

There is a large difference between wanting marriage to only be between one man and one woman and claiming or implying that the definition of marriage has remained constant.
 
You should've just mentioned the Prince's Trust survey then without the "few years ago" comment. Why did you feel a need to lodge it on a temporal contiuum for the sake of context? You didn't say that accidentally I'm sure.
 
A child can't call three or four moms and a single dad his/her parents even if they are married. A child can't be adopted by animals or trees either but maybe someday if democrats keep getting elected.
and someday you might not come off as a complete moron. sadly i doubt it.
 
You should've just mentioned the Prince's Trust survey then without the "few years ago" comment. Why did you feel a need to lodge it on a temporal contiuum for the sake of context? You didn't say that accidentally I'm sure.
who cares..you lost
 
Structurally, God has already defined "marriage." It's not up to 9 Justices OR the States to re-define it. Let no man undo what God has done.
 
You should've just mentioned the Prince's Trust survey then without the "few years ago" comment. Why did you feel a need to lodge it on a temporal contiuum for the sake of context? You didn't say that accidentally I'm sure.

Of course it was intentional. As I said, the Index has not continued to ask about same gender role models. It seems odd that what you claim is such an all-important factor in a child's life would be left out of subsequent surveys.
 
Structurally, God has already defined "marriage." It's not up to 9 Justices OR the States to re-define it. Let no man undo what God has done.

Which God? Vishnu? Allah? Amaterasu? Arceus? Tlaloc? Primus and Unicron? Yahweh? The million gods of Shinto? The million more of Hinduism?

You're going to need to be much more specific.
 
Oh, are we trying to make this about religion now?..lol..

Sorry, this is about psychology. It's about a boy of two lesbians not ever having a Dad to look up to...and the federal mandate to states forcing them to entice this situation with perks and benefits. You can bet those two lesbians had the opportunity of having a mom and dad.. This would be the first generation of the federal lab rat children..
 
Oh, are we trying to make this about religion now?..lol..

Sorry, this is about psychology. It's about a boy of two lesbians not ever having a Dad to look up to...and the federal mandate to states forcing them to entice this situation with perks and benefits. You can bet those two lesbians had the opportunity of having a mom and dad.. This would be the first generation of the federal lab rat children..

Lesbians are having children anyway. And have been for generations. Your absurd conclusion that this is the first generation lesbians have ever had kids is provable bullshit. Worse, denying gay marriage doesn't actually effect anything you've just cited. Denying lesbians access to marriage doesn't mean that their children magically have opposite sex parents. It only guarantees that these children can never have married parents.

So how does denying marriage to same sex parents help their children?

Specifically.
 
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Lesbians are having children anyway. And have been for generations. Your absurd conclusion that this is the first generation lesbians have ever had kids is provable bullshit. Worse, denying gay marriage doesn't actually effect anything you've just cited. Denying lesbians access to marriage doesn't mean that their children magically have opposite sex parents. It only guarantees that these children can never have married parents.

So how does denying marriage to same sex parents help their children?

Specifically.
Polygamists' children can never have married parents. Incest children can never have married parents. Sorry the word married means what it means in the separate states. Just move to a state that allows it and let the rest of the country protect childrens' civil right to a mom and dad. Perfect compromise.

If gay marriage is so kick ass and popular as you say, then you should have no trouble convincing each state in the next 10 or 20 years to pass it. But that thought makes you nervous, doesn't it? After all, California voted to not dismantle the word "marriage" TWICE. It's one of the bluest states in the Union.

I guess people even in blue states want kids to be able to call their married parents "mom and dad".
 
Lesbians are having children anyway. And have been for generations. Your absurd conclusion that this is the first generation lesbians have ever had kids is provable bullshit. Worse, denying gay marriage doesn't actually effect anything you've just cited. Denying lesbians access to marriage doesn't mean that their children magically have opposite sex parents. It only guarantees that these children can never have married parents.

So how does denying marriage to same sex parents help their children?

Specifically.
Polygamists' children can never have married parents. Incest children can never have married parents. Sorry the word married means what it means in the separate states. Just move to a state that allows it and let the rest of the country protect childrens' civil right to a mom and dad. Perfect compromise.

And how does denying marriage to same sex parents help their children?

Specifically?
 
And how does denying marriage to same sex parents help their children?

Specifically?

How does denying monosexual marriage to single parents help THEIR children? Why are you focusing on "helping" just a few children immediately and legally vs hurting 100s of millions of untold numbers of children by wanting the fed to dictate to states that they now have to incentivize homes where 50% of children will be missing their gender as a role model. No one to call "Dad" in a lesbian "marriage". No one to call "Mom" in a gay male "marriage". Since the question is so important, how does denying states the rights to debate and decide it help these 100s of millions of future children in the brand new lab experiment called dismantling-the-word-marriage?

On that particular question Skylar, how does a "gay marriage" differe structurally, only, on delivering both genders to children in the home as role models?

Specifically?
 
And how does denying marriage to same sex parents help their children?

Specifically?

How does denying monosexual marriage to single parents help THEIR children? Why are you focusing on "helping" just a few children immediately and legally vs hurting 100s of millions of untold numbers of children by wanting the fed to dictate to states that they now have to incentivize homes where 50% of children will be missing their gender as a role model. No one to call "Dad" in a lesbian "marriage". No one to call "Mom" in a gay male "marriage". Since the question is so important, how does denying states the rights to debate and decide it help these 100s of millions of future children in the brand new lab experiment called dismantling-the-word-marriage?

So after lamenting about the children of same sex couples.....now you won't discuss the children of same sex couples? You just abandoned the topic of your own thread. And all it took was this sentence:

'"How does denying marriage to same sex couples help their children'"

11 words...and your entire argument implodes. That was easy.
 

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