A Child Can't Call 2 Women or 2 Men "Mom & Dad"

Structurally, for the sake of kids, do states have the right to define marriage for themselves?

  • No, this is best left up to 9 Justices in the US Supreme Court.

    Votes: 10 47.6%
  • Yes, this is best left up to the discreet communities of states.

    Votes: 11 52.4%

  • Total voters
    21
In St. Mike's defense, one can be in opposition of a neo-experiment with a thousands-year old defined term "marriage" that stands to deprive boys of a father and girls of a mother, without actually hating the people proposing it.

It is simply, structurally, unacceptable. No emotions attached. It is wrong for children.

How does denying marriage to lesbian parents provide their child with a 'mother and a father'?

Your 'solution' has nothing to do with your 'problem'. Its completely irrelevant. Like calling for a heart transplant to treat a sprained ankle. It doesn't make the slightest sense.
 
"Mom" and "dad" aren't something that is granted simply via the act of marriage.

Adults only earn that title when they show a genuine care and affection for the child in question.

Anyone can be a parent, it takes special people to be mom or dad.
Not anyone can be a father. For instance, a woman can never be a father. Not anyone can be a mother. For instance, a man cannot be a mother. So the states incentivize a marriage with "mother and father", be they adoptive, natural, fostering or grandparenting. See the OP for details as to why this is vital to children.

Actually, the Prince Trust Study you cited doesn't mention anything you just said. It doesn't measure any kind of parenting, it doesn't even mention gays or same sex parenting. You hallucinated all of that.

And we're not obligated to hallucinate with you.
 
How does denying marriage to lesbian parents provide their child with a 'mother and a father'?

Your 'solution' has nothing to do with your 'problem'. Its completely irrelevant. Like calling for a heart transplant to treat a sprained ankle. It doesn't make the slightest sense.

I notice you keep talking only about gays and not about the children of single parents, polygamists and incest. Why are you leaving these children out?

You know this is about future children and redacting the word marriage to try a brand new experiment with them as lab rats. Stop changing the subject.
 
How does denying marriage to lesbian parents provide their child with a 'mother and a father'?

Your 'solution' has nothing to do with your 'problem'. Its completely irrelevant. Like calling for a heart transplant to treat a sprained ankle. It doesn't make the slightest sense.

I notice you keep talking only about gays and not about the children of single parents, polygamists and incest. Why are you leaving these children out?

You know this is about future children and redacting the word marriage to try a brand new experiment with them as lab rats. Stop changing the subject.

Considering nearly all of your posts are about same sex marriage, that seems like a perfectly good reason for anyone to discuss that subject. Why do you bring up other issues rather than answering the question?
 
How does denying marriage to lesbian parents provide their child with a 'mother and a father'?

Your 'solution' has nothing to do with your 'problem'. Its completely irrelevant. Like calling for a heart transplant to treat a sprained ankle. It doesn't make the slightest sense.

I notice you keep talking only about gays and not about the children of single parents, polygamists and incest. Why are you leaving these children out?

Wow. You are literally refusing to discuss the very topic you brought up: the effects of gay marriage on children.

And all it takes is these 11 words to send you running:

"How does denying marriage to same sex parents help their children?"

And you run, tail tucked between your legs. With it only taking 11 words to destroy your entire argument, can you see why your ilk lost 44 of 46 times?
 
How does denying marriage to lesbian parents provide their child with a 'mother and a father'?

Your 'solution' has nothing to do with your 'problem'. Its completely irrelevant. Like calling for a heart transplant to treat a sprained ankle. It doesn't make the slightest sense.

I notice you keep talking only about gays and not about the children of single parents, polygamists and incest. Why are you leaving these children out?

You know this is about future children and redacting the word marriage to try a brand new experiment with them as lab rats. Stop changing the subject.

Considering nearly all of your posts are about same sex marriage, that seems like a perfectly good reason for anyone to discuss that subject. Why do you bring up other issues rather than answering the question?

Because there is no answer: denying marriage to same sex parents offers NO benefit to their children. And Sil knows this. Worse, he knows that denying marriage to same sex parents causes severe harm to their children:

Windsor v. US said:
...And it humiliates tens of thousands of children now being raised by same-sex couples. The law in question makes it even more difficult for the children to understand the integrity and closeness of their own family and its concord with other families in their community and in their daily lives.

.....DOMA also brings financial harm to children of same-sex couples. It raises the cost of health care for families by taxing health benefits provided by employers to their workers’ same-sex spouses. And it denies or re-duces benefits allowed to families upon the loss of a spouseand parent, benefits that are an integral part of family security.

Humiliation of those children, damage to their understanding of their own family, higher medical costs, reduced benefits, and reduced family security for these children.

And Sil doesn't give a ****. The only time a child has any value to Sil is if he can use that child to hurt gay people. If he can't, that child ceases to exist. Look at this thread. The moment you ask him a question about these children he can't answer.....these kids cease to exist. He won't discuss them. He won't acknowledge they even exist.

Don't ever let Sil bullshit you. He'll gladly hurt children if it lets him hurt gays.
 
The child to Skylar only has value if it is caught up in a homosexual lifestyle. If it is caught up in a polygamist lifestyle or an incest lifestyle, or a monosexual lifestyle (single parents) then suddenly it's not such a big deal if its parent(s) have the perks of marriage.

Why do you want to harm all those other children Skylar? Why do you want to harm 100s of millions of children into the untold future by depriving boys of fathers and girls of mothers within the structure of marriage?

Children can't vote. Why are you insisting, sometimes violently (see your last post) that this voteless class of people be subjected to a lifestyle experiment so poised to harm them, without a single peep on their behalf being uttered? Why would you attempt so fiercely to gag those advocates and custodians for the voiceless, the voteless in our country?
 
The child to Skylar only has value if it is caught up in a homosexual lifestyle. If it is caught up in a polygamist lifestyle or an incest lifestyle, or a monosexual lifestyle (single parents) then suddenly it's not such a big deal if its parent(s) have the perks of marriage.

You're the one talking about the effects of gay marriage on children. Yet the moment I ask you what benefits of denying marriage to same sex parents would create for their children...

.....suddenly you abandon the topic. These 11 words destroy your argument utterly and completely:

How does denying marriage to same sex parents benefit their children?


Run.
 
The child to Skylar only has value if it is caught up in a homosexual lifestyle. If it is caught up in a polygamist lifestyle or an incest lifestyle, or a monosexual lifestyle (single parents) then suddenly it's not such a big deal if its parent(s) have the perks of marriage.

You're the one talking about the effects of gay marriage on children. Yet the moment I ask you what benefits of denying marriage to same sex parents would create for their children...

.....suddenly you abandon the topic. These 11 words destroy your argument utterly and completely:

How does denying marriage to same sex parents benefit their children?


Run.

YOU just accused ME of using kids in this debate for political expediency. Yet when I REPEATEDLY point out to you that this is about ALL children and not just a tiny fraction of them (your example of kids caught up in gay lifestyles alone, apart from all other children, their rights and best interests collectively), you use THAT as "proof that Sil doesn't care about children".

Your bullshit is so thick, you deviousness so profound that it's hard to know where to start, really.

Depriving ANY boy of a father and ANY girl of a mother as an incentivized institution (marriage) is wrong and detrimental to them COLLECTIVELY, OVER TIME. And THAT is the issue I have a problem with. My issue compassionately considers ALL children in a wide time continuum. Yours craftily considers a tiny subfraction of the word "children" in the present day. The Court has to weigh which is more important between the two. Their actions stand to snowball our culture into an unforseeable future, but one that has dark forshadowings already: Prince s Trust Survey The Voices of the Voteless Children in Gay Marriage Debate US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum.

Your manipulation of semantics stands to hurt kids, bottom line. Proof that you do not actually care about the children you supposedly are advocating for. You are just using them as a hinge to catapult gays into shattering the word "marriage" come hell or high water in the process..

We aren't talking about just homosexuals, "their children". We are talking about ALL children into the future, because marraige more than any other institution stands to shape their future, and they cannot vote. So this topic takes on an extra sense of urgency.

Here are 23 words that destroy your argument utterly and completely:

How does a federal-mandate that institutionalizes the structural-deprivation of boys of fathers and girls of mothers help ALL children into the unseen future?
 
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The child to Skylar only has value if it is caught up in a homosexual lifestyle. If it is caught up in a polygamist lifestyle or an incest lifestyle, or a monosexual lifestyle (single parents) then suddenly it's not such a big deal if its parent(s) have the perks of marriage.

You're the one talking about the effects of gay marriage on children. Yet the moment I ask you what benefits of denying marriage to same sex parents would create for their children...

.....suddenly you abandon the topic. These 11 words destroy your argument utterly and completely:

How does denying marriage to same sex parents benefit their children?


Run.

YOU just accused ME of using kids in this debate for political expediency. Yet when I REPEATEDLY point out to you that this is about ALL children and not just a tiny fraction of them (your example of kids caught up in gay lifestyles alone, apart from all other children, their rights and best interests collectively), you use THAT as "proof that Sil doesn't care about children".

And exactly as predicted, the moment children of same sex couples can't be used by you to hurt gay people....

.....you completely ignore them. You refuse to discuss them. You pretend they don't exist.

We already know the immediate legal harm that your proposals will cause the children of same sex parents:

Windsor v. U.S. said:
"And it humiliates tens of thousands of children now being raised by same-sex couples. The law in question makes it even more difficult for the children to understand the integrity and closeness of their own family and its concord with other families in their community and in their daily lives....

....DOMA also brings financial harm to children of same-sex couples. It raises the cost of health care for families by taxing health benefits provided by employers to their workers’ same-sex spouses. And it denies or reduces benefits allowed to families upon the loss of a spouseand parent, benefits that are an integral part of family security.

So in the face of all this immediate legal harm, this humiliation, this damage to their sense of family, these higher their healthcare costs, this denial of benefits and reduction of their family security......I ask you the same 11 word question:

How does denying marriage to same sex couples help their children?

It doesn't. Your proposal only hurts children. And doesn't help them. Worse, you know that....but if it lets you hurt gays, you're more than willing to hurt kids.

No thank you.
 
So...what is the difference between a gay unmarried couple raising a child and a gay married couple raising a child?

To society or just your single example? Because society would suffer over time by institutionalizing and incentivizing a formative environment where boys are missing a father and girls are missing a mother..
No matter how many times you post this, it's still idiotic and wrong.
Sil isn't truly worried about girls not having someone around to call Dad, or else she would be starting topic after topic after topic about divorces and how evil they are.

Divorces deprive more kids of opposite-sex parents than gay marriages do. Way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way more.

WAAAAAAAAAAAAY more.

Sil is using smoke and mirrors to hide her obvious bigotry.
Wrong. Divorced couples still see their children. .

Divorces result in lots of children not seeing one parent.

Divorces do deprive more kids of opposite sex parents than gay marriage ever will.

way more.
 
The child to Skylar only has value if it is caught up in a homosexual lifestyle. If it is caught up in a polygamist lifestyle or an incest lifestyle, or a monosexual lifestyle (single parents) then suddenly it's not such a big deal if its parent(s) have the perks of marriage.
You're the one talking about the effects of gay marriage on children. Yet the moment I ask you what benefits of denying marriage to same sex parents would create for their children...
.....suddenly you abandon the topic. These 11 words destroy your argument utterly and completely:

How does denying marriage to same sex parents benefit their children?

Run.
YOU just accused ME of using kids in this debate for political expediency. Yet when I REPEATEDLY point out to you that this is about ALL children and not just a tiny fraction of them (your example of kids caught up in gay lifestyles alone, apart from all other children, their rights and best interests collectively), you use THAT as "proof that Sil doesn't care about children".

Your bullshit is so thick, you deviousness so profound that it's hard to know where to start, really.

Depriving ANY boy of a father and ANY girl of a mother as an incentivized institution (marriage) is wrong and detrimental to them COLLECTIVELY, OVER TIME. And THAT is the issue I have a problem with. My issue compassionately considers ALL children in a wide time continuum. Yours craftily considers a tiny subfraction of the word "children" in the present day. The Court has to weigh which is more important between the two. Their actions stand to snowball our culture into an unforseeable future, but one that has dark forshadowings already: Prince s Trust Survey The Voices of the Voteless Children in Gay Marriage Debate US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum.

Your manipulation of semantics stands to hurt kids, bottom line. Proof that you do not actually care about the children you supposedly are advocating for. You are just using them as a hinge to catapult gays into shattering the word "marriage" come hell or high water in the process..
We aren't talking about just homosexuals, "their children". We are talking about ALL children into the future, because marraige more than any other institution stands to shape their future, and they cannot vote. So this topic takes on an extra sense of urgency.

Here are 23 words that destroy your argument utterly and completely:

How does a federal-mandate that institutionalizes the structural-deprivation of boys of fathers and girls of mothers help ALL children into the unseen future?

Divorces result in lots of children not seeing one parent.
Divorces do deprive more kids of opposite sex parents than gay marriage ever will.
way more.
Divorce is done..pay attention here...RELUCTANTLY...and yet again on behalf of children in the hopes their estranged & separated parents will marry their gender compliment again and provide the same structure as originally incentivized for children's best formative environment: father/mother.
 
The child to Skylar only has value if it is caught up in a homosexual lifestyle. If it is caught up in a polygamist lifestyle or an incest lifestyle, or a monosexual lifestyle (single parents) then suddenly it's not such a big deal if its parent(s) have the perks of marriage.
You're the one talking about the effects of gay marriage on children. Yet the moment I ask you what benefits of denying marriage to same sex parents would create for their children...
.....suddenly you abandon the topic. These 11 words destroy your argument utterly and completely:

How does denying marriage to same sex parents benefit their children?

Run.
YOU just accused ME of using kids in this debate for political expediency. Yet when I REPEATEDLY point out to you that this is about ALL children and not just a tiny fraction of them (your example of kids caught up in gay lifestyles alone, apart from all other children, their rights and best interests collectively), you use THAT as "proof that Sil doesn't care about children".

Your bullshit is so thick, you deviousness so profound that it's hard to know where to start, really.

Depriving ANY boy of a father and ANY girl of a mother as an incentivized institution (marriage) is wrong and detrimental to them COLLECTIVELY, OVER TIME. And THAT is the issue I have a problem with. My issue compassionately considers ALL children in a wide time continuum. Yours craftily considers a tiny subfraction of the word "children" in the present day. The Court has to weigh which is more important between the two. Their actions stand to snowball our culture into an unforseeable future, but one that has dark forshadowings already: Prince s Trust Survey The Voices of the Voteless Children in Gay Marriage Debate US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum.

Your manipulation of semantics stands to hurt kids, bottom line. Proof that you do not actually care about the children you supposedly are advocating for. You are just using them as a hinge to catapult gays into shattering the word "marriage" come hell or high water in the process..
We aren't talking about just homosexuals, "their children". We are talking about ALL children into the future, because marraige more than any other institution stands to shape their future, and they cannot vote. So this topic takes on an extra sense of urgency.

Here are 23 words that destroy your argument utterly and completely:

How does a federal-mandate that institutionalizes the structural-deprivation of boys of fathers and girls of mothers help ALL children into the unseen future?

Divorces result in lots of children not seeing one parent.
Divorces do deprive more kids of opposite sex parents than gay marriage ever will.
way more.
Divorce is done..pay attention here...RELUCTANTLY...and yet again on behalf of children in the hopes their estranged & separated parents will marry their gender compliment again and provide the same structure as originally incentivized for children's best formative environment: father/mother.

Laughing.....you can't cite a single benefit to these children, can you? The moment the children of same sex couples don't let you hurt gays.....

.....you completely ignore them. You refuse to discuss them. You pretend they don't exist.

We already know the immediate legal harm that your proposals will cause the children of same sex parents:

Windsor v. U.S. said:
"And it humiliates tens of thousands of children now being raised by same-sex couples. The law in question makes it even more difficult for the children to understand the integrity and closeness of their own family and its concord with other families in their community and in their daily lives....

....DOMA also brings financial harm to children of same-sex couples. It raises the cost of health care for families by taxing health benefits provided by employers to their workers’ same-sex spouses. And it denies or reduces benefits allowed to families upon the loss of a spouseand parent, benefits that are an integral part of family security.

This isn't 'semantics'. This is immediate legal harm. So in the face of all this immediate legal harm, this humiliation, this damage to their sense of family, these higher their healthcare costs, this denial of benefits and reduction of their family security......I ask you the same 11 word question:

How does denying marriage to same sex couples help their children?

It doesn't. Your proposal only hurts children. And doesn't help them.

Why would we ever do this? Even you can't give us a good reason.
 
The child to Skylar only has value if it is caught up in a homosexual lifestyle. If it is caught up in a polygamist lifestyle or an incest lifestyle, or a monosexual lifestyle (single parents) then suddenly it's not such a big deal if its parent(s) have the perks of marriage.
You're the one talking about the effects of gay marriage on children. Yet the moment I ask you what benefits of denying marriage to same sex parents would create for their children...
.....suddenly you abandon the topic. These 11 words destroy your argument utterly and completely:

How does denying marriage to same sex parents benefit their children?

Run.
YOU just accused ME of using kids in this debate for political expediency. Yet when I REPEATEDLY point out to you that this is about ALL children and not just a tiny fraction of them (your example of kids caught up in gay lifestyles alone, apart from all other children, their rights and best interests collectively), you use THAT as "proof that Sil doesn't care about children".

Your bullshit is so thick, you deviousness so profound that it's hard to know where to start, really.

Depriving ANY boy of a father and ANY girl of a mother as an incentivized institution (marriage) is wrong and detrimental to them COLLECTIVELY, OVER TIME. And THAT is the issue I have a problem with. My issue compassionately considers ALL children in a wide time continuum. Yours craftily considers a tiny subfraction of the word "children" in the present day. The Court has to weigh which is more important between the two. Their actions stand to snowball our culture into an unforseeable future, but one that has dark forshadowings already: Prince s Trust Survey The Voices of the Voteless Children in Gay Marriage Debate US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum.

Your manipulation of semantics stands to hurt kids, bottom line. Proof that you do not actually care about the children you supposedly are advocating for. You are just using them as a hinge to catapult gays into shattering the word "marriage" come hell or high water in the process..
We aren't talking about just homosexuals, "their children". We are talking about ALL children into the future, because marraige more than any other institution stands to shape their future, and they cannot vote. So this topic takes on an extra sense of urgency.

Here are 23 words that destroy your argument utterly and completely:

How does a federal-mandate that institutionalizes the structural-deprivation of boys of fathers and girls of mothers help ALL children into the unseen future?

Divorce is done..pay attention here...RELUCTANTLY...and yet again on behalf of children in the hopes their estranged & separated parents will marry their gender compliment again and provide the same structure as originally incentivized for children's best formative environment: father/mother.

That is another entirely invented fiction of yours.

Divorce in most states is 'no-fault'- and there is no 'reluctance' involved- the States allow couples to divorce REGARDLESS of whether they have children or whether they do not have children.

IF they do have children then the divorce proceedings will include custody hearings.

Of course if the parents are not married- then if the couple separates there is no clear custody mechanism like divorce affords- meaning of course that as usual- the children of unmarried couples- including unmarried gay couples- are put more at legal risk by the lack of marriage.

Why do you hate the children being raised by gay parents?

I ask this because you are so determined that those children do not have married parents, and I cannot figure out any other reason why you want harm to come to these children other than you for some reason despise the children of gay couples.

That is another entirely invented fiction of yours.

Divorce in most states is 'no-fault'- and there is no 'reluctance' involved- the States allow couples to divorce REGARDLESS of whether they have children or whether they do not have children.

IF they do have children then the divorce proceedings will include custody hearings.

Of course if the parents are not married- then if the couple separates there is no clear custody mechanism like divorce affords- meaning of course that as usual- the children of unmarried couples- including unmarried gay couples- are put more at legal risk by the lack of marriage.

Why do you hate the children being raised by gay parents?

I ask this because you are so determined that those children do not have married parents, and I cannot figure out any other reason why you want harm to come to these children other than you for some reason despise the children of gay couples.
 
The child to Skylar only has value if it is caught up in a homosexual lifestyle. If it is caught up in a polygamist lifestyle or an incest lifestyle, or a monosexual lifestyle (single parents) then suddenly it's not such a big deal if its parent(s) have the perks of marriage.
You're the one talking about the effects of gay marriage on children. Yet the moment I ask you what benefits of denying marriage to same sex parents would create for their children...
.....suddenly you abandon the topic. These 11 words destroy your argument utterly and completely:

How does denying marriage to same sex parents benefit their children?

Run.
YOU just accused ME of using kids in this debate for political expediency. Yet when I REPEATEDLY point out to you that this is about ALL children and not just a tiny fraction of them

So lets talk about the two groups of children:

a) Children being raised by gay parents- how does preventing them from marrying help those children?

b) Children being raised by non-gay parents- how does preventing homosexuals from marrying help those children?

Simple as that- how does preventing homosexuals from marrying help any children?

Any children at all.
 
How does denying marriage to lesbian parents provide their child with a 'mother and a father'?

Your 'solution' has nothing to do with your 'problem'. Its completely irrelevant. Like calling for a heart transplant to treat a sprained ankle. It doesn't make the slightest sense.

I notice you keep talking only about gays .

Since this thread is about children being raised by homosexuals it seems pretty obvious that is why Skylar is talking about them.

Stop dragging out strawmen and stick to the topic.
 
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So...what is the difference between a gay unmarried couple raising a child and a gay married couple raising a child?

To society or just your single example? Because society would suffer over time by institutionalizing and incentivizing a formative environment where boys are missing a father and girls are missing a mother..
No matter how many times you post this, it's still idiotic and wrong.
Sil isn't truly worried about girls not having someone around to call Dad, or else she would be starting topic after topic after topic about divorces and how evil they are.

Divorces deprive more kids of opposite-sex parents than gay marriages do. Way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way more.

WAAAAAAAAAAAAY more.

Sil is using smoke and mirrors to hide her obvious bigotry.
Wrong. Divorced couples still see their children. .

Divorces result in lots of children not seeing one parent.

Divorces do deprive more kids of opposite sex parents than gay marriage ever will.

way more.
It's almost as if opponents of gay marriage are saying different sex partners are always better than same sex partners. And that's demonstrably wrong, because the data shows that some kids have horrid outcomes with different sex couples and some kids have good outcomes with same sex couples. I suppose the ideal would be Ozzy and Harriett, but nothing's ideal. I do think we can say two parent households are likely to have better outcomes simply because so many single parents are in poverty. And the one thing Sil has proven .... poor kids with one parent have statistically not as good outcomes.
 
Sure they can. But even if choose to call them dad/dad or mom/mom, who cares?

Recognition of gay marriage is coming at a federal level; therefore, legal in all states. Get used to it.

Jim Crow was recognized at a federal level, an was in force for decades, should we have continued it and said "get used to it!"
 
Sure they can. But even if choose to call them dad/dad or mom/mom, who cares?

Recognition of gay marriage is coming at a federal level; therefore, legal in all states. Get used to it.

Jim Crow was recognized at a federal level, an was in force for decades, should we have continued it and said "get used to it!"
You truly are an ignorant idiot, this fails as a false comparison fallacy.
 
SILHOUETTE SAID:

"YOU just accused ME of using kids in this debate for political expediency."

Because in fact you are.

Which is why you and those who agree with you are desperate, reprehensible, and wrong.
 

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