A Child Can't Call 2 Women or 2 Men "Mom & Dad"

[Montrovant]

One other thing. How do you know who on this board may have been raised without a mother or father in their lives? I have seen you on multiple occasions now claim that someone was raised with a mother and father and I wonder, how do you know that to be true? Any poster here may have had an absent parent, but you feel the need to interject personal family history into the discussion.

Statistically. If you are at or near my age group, statistically you had both a mother and father in the home.

There's no predicting what will happen once the base structure is in place. What is predictable is that a son needs a father and a daughter needs a mother.

Statistically? If one is at or near your age group? OK.....but you've made direct claims about people having grown with a mother and father in their lives.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Children are being raised by gays whether their parents are married or not., denying them marriage doesn't magically put them in a home with a Mom and Dad. All that you are ensuring is that these children do not have married parents.

Children are being raised by polygamists whether their parents are married or not, denying them marriage...Children are being raised by incest parents whether their parents are married or not, denying them marriage...Children are being raised by monosexuals whether their parent chooses to be single or not, denying the monosexual marriage benefits...

And back to the question:

You have claimed that gay marriage will harm children.

How does gay marriage harm children?

Not gay parenting- how does gay marriage harm children.

Because it deliberately deprives the child of a mother or a father. Simple answer and I think we've covered this already.

 

[Skylar]

Children are being raised by gays whether their parents are married or not., denying them marriage doesn't magically put them in a home with a Mom and Dad. All that you are ensuring is that these children do not have married parents.

Children are being raised by polygamists whether their parents are married or not, denying them marriage...Children are being raised by incest parents whether their parents are married or not, denying them marriage...Children are being raised by monosexuals whether their parent chooses to be single or not, denying the monosexual marriage benefits...

And back to the question:

You have claimed that gay marriage will harm children.

How does gay marriage harm children?

Not gay parenting- how does gay marriage harm children.

Because it deliberately deprives the child of a mother or a father. Simple answer and I think we've covered this already.

How? If a lesbian couple has a kid......how does allowing the lesbian couple marry 'deprive the child of a mother and father'? They have the kid either way. Denying same sex parents marriage doesn't magically mean their children will have opposite sex parents. It only guarantees that they will never have married parents.

How does this benefit the children of same sex couples? The courts have already elaborated eloquently on the immediate legal harms caused by to children by denying marriage to their same sex parents. So what benefit balances the harm?

 

[Silhouette]

How? If a lesbian couple has a kid......how does allowing the lesbian couple marry 'deprive the child of a mother and father'? They have the kid either way. Denying same sex parents marriage doesn't magically mean their children will have opposite sex parents. It only guarantees that they will never have married parents.

How does this benefit the children of same sex couples? The courts have already elaborated eloquently on the immediate legal harms caused by to children by denying marriage to their same sex parents. So what benefit balances the harm?

This is the level of insanity this cult wants people to embrace. "Two lesbians = mom and dad" "A guy cutting off his dick and slicing a hole between his legs is now a woman".

Children should be involved in this as lab rats?!

 

[Skylar]

How? If a lesbian couple has a kid......how does allowing the lesbian couple marry 'deprive the child of a mother and father'? They have the kid either way. Denying same sex parents marriage doesn't magically mean their children will have opposite sex parents. It only guarantees that they will never have married parents.

How does this benefit the children of same sex couples? The courts have already elaborated eloquently on the immediate legal harms caused by to children by denying marriage to their same sex parents. So what benefit balances the harm?

This is the level of insanity this cult wants people to embrace. "Two lesbians = mom and dad"

Wow. You're quite awful at paraphrasing. Maybe all the letters and punctuation confused you. Let me isolate the part you just blundered on and see if you can follow this time:

If a lesbian couple has a kid......how does allowing the lesbian couple marry 'deprive the child of a mother and father'? They have the kid either way. Denying same sex parents marriage doesn't magically mean their children will have opposite sex parents. It only guarantees that they will never have married parents.

If a lesbian couple is married and has children, or if they're unmarried and have children.......the kids still have same sex parents. So how does denying marriage to their parents help these kids?

 

[Montrovant]

How? If a lesbian couple has a kid......how does allowing the lesbian couple marry 'deprive the child of a mother and father'? They have the kid either way. Denying same sex parents marriage doesn't magically mean their children will have opposite sex parents. It only guarantees that they will never have married parents.

How does this benefit the children of same sex couples? The courts have already elaborated eloquently on the immediate legal harms caused by to children by denying marriage to their same sex parents. So what benefit balances the harm?

This is the level of insanity this cult wants people to embrace. "Two lesbians = mom and dad" "A guy cutting off his dick and slicing a hole between his legs is now a woman".

Children should be involved in this as lab rats?!

Reading comprehension is clearly not your friend.

Skylar said that the lesbian couple is having a kid whether married or not, then asked how not letting them marry helps that child.

 

[Silhouette]

If a lesbian couple is married and has children, or if they're unmarried and have children.......the kids still have same sex parents. So how does denying marriage to their parents help these kids?

"These kids" are not the kids in question of harm; neither are those already in polygamist's situations or incest situations. It's the hundreds of millions of kids yet to be born into a socially-sanctioned/incentivized institution that will newly deprive sons of fathers and daughters of mothers. Kids can't vote. So we have to look at the structure of the proposed neo-experiment (man/man or woman/woman) and see if it fits the best needs of ALL THOSE MILLIONS OF OTHER KIDS into the unforeseen future.

I repeat, if you are an LGBT advocate here, the chances are excellent that you had a mother and a father. Yet you seek to deprive subsequent generations of that same psychological benefit. How thoughtful of you towards children. It would seem you are ONLY concerned about children involved in gay situations. And them ONLY inasumuch as they buy you political leverage. Otherwise you would refuse to be subjective and instead would become alarmed, worried and introspective about the prospect of using millions of OTHER kids as lab rats in an untried social experiment...

 

[Skylar]

If a lesbian couple is married and has children, or if they're unmarried and have children.......the kids still have same sex parents. So how does denying marriage to their parents help these kids?

"These kids" are not the kids in question of harm

"These kids'' are the children of same same sex parents.

So how does denying marriage to the same sex parents of children help these children? Specifically.

If there is no benefit, just say so. Because the courts have already gone into elaborate detail at all the harm caused by denying marriage to the same sex parents of children:

"The law in question makes it even more difficult for the children to understand the integrity and closeness of their own family and its concord with other families in their community and in their daily lives....

...DOMA also brings financial harm to children of same-sex couples. It raises the cost of health care for families by taxing health benefits provided by employers to their workers’ same-sex spouses.And it denies or reduces benefits allowed to families upon the loss of a spouse and parent, benefits that are an integral part of family security"

So the courts have already confirmed the immediate legal harm done to children by denying their same sex parents marriage. What are the benefits to these children to balance out the severe harm caused by denying marriage to their same sex parents?

Again, specifically.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Children are being raised by gays whether their parents are married or not., denying them marriage doesn't magically put them in a home with a Mom and Dad. All that you are ensuring is that these children do not have married parents.

Children are being raised by polygamists whether their parents are married or not, denying them marriage...Children are being raised by incest parents whether their parents are married or not, denying them marriage...Children are being raised by monosexuals whether their parent chooses to be single or not, denying the monosexual marriage benefits...

And back to the question:

You have claimed that gay marriage will harm children.

How does gay marriage harm children?

Not gay parenting- how does gay marriage harm children.

Because it deliberately deprives the child of a mother or a father. Simple answer and I think we've covered this already.

How? If a lesbian couple has a kid......how does allowing the lesbian couple marry 'deprive the child of a mother and father'? They have the kid either way. Denying same sex parents marriage doesn't magically mean their children will have opposite sex parents. It only guarantees that they will never have married parents.

How does this benefit the children of same sex couples? The courts have already elaborated eloquently on the immediate legal harms caused by to children by denying marriage to their same sex parents. So what benefit balances the harm?

You excluded another possibility, protecting innocent children by not allowing perverts to adopt them in the first place. It's sad when a child is deprived of a mother or a father through the vicissitudes of life, but to deliberately erect a domestic structure that does this is abominable and proves how immoral and ripe for judgment the homosexual Left has become.

 

[Skylar]

Children are being raised by gays whether their parents are married or not., denying them marriage doesn't magically put them in a home with a Mom and Dad. All that you are ensuring is that these children do not have married parents.

Children are being raised by polygamists whether their parents are married or not, denying them marriage...Children are being raised by incest parents whether their parents are married or not, denying them marriage...Children are being raised by monosexuals whether their parent chooses to be single or not, denying the monosexual marriage benefits...

And back to the question:

You have claimed that gay marriage will harm children.

How does gay marriage harm children?

Not gay parenting- how does gay marriage harm children.

Because it deliberately deprives the child of a mother or a father. Simple answer and I think we've covered this already.

How? If a lesbian couple has a kid......how does allowing the lesbian couple marry 'deprive the child of a mother and father'? They have the kid either way. Denying same sex parents marriage doesn't magically mean their children will have opposite sex parents. It only guarantees that they will never have married parents.

How does this benefit the children of same sex couples? The courts have already elaborated eloquently on the immediate legal harms caused by to children by denying marriage to their same sex parents. So what benefit balances the harm?

You excluded another possibility, protecting innocent children by not allowing perverts to adopt them in the first place.

Gays and lesbians can adopt in all but one state without gay marriage. So your 'third possibility' has a very, very narrow application. In virtually every instance in the nation, it doesn't apply. While one of my two possibilities does.

And can I take it from your failure to cite any benefit to a child created by denying their same sex parents the right to marry......

.....that you recognize there is no such benefit?

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Children are being raised by polygamists whether their parents are married or not, denying them marriage...Children are being raised by incest parents whether their parents are married or not, denying them marriage...Children are being raised by monosexuals whether their parent chooses to be single or not, denying the monosexual marriage benefits...

And back to the question:

You have claimed that gay marriage will harm children.

How does gay marriage harm children?

Not gay parenting- how does gay marriage harm children.

Because it deliberately deprives the child of a mother or a father. Simple answer and I think we've covered this already.

How? If a lesbian couple has a kid......how does allowing the lesbian couple marry 'deprive the child of a mother and father'? They have the kid either way. Denying same sex parents marriage doesn't magically mean their children will have opposite sex parents. It only guarantees that they will never have married parents.

How does this benefit the children of same sex couples? The courts have already elaborated eloquently on the immediate legal harms caused by to children by denying marriage to their same sex parents. So what benefit balances the harm?

You excluded another possibility, protecting innocent children by not allowing perverts to adopt them in the first place.

Gays and lesbians can adopt in all but one state without gay marriage. So your 'third possibility' has a very, very narrow application. In virtually every instance in the nation, it doesn't apply. While one of my two possibilities does.

And can I take it from your failure to cite any benefit to a child created by denying their same sex parents the right to marry......

.....that you recognize there is no such benefit?

Because you didn't read my post. I'll put it more simply. Don't let perverts adopt children and no child will be harmed. It's a solution that entirely precludes the issue of marriage.

 

[Skylar]

And back to the question:

You have claimed that gay marriage will harm children.

How does gay marriage harm children?

Not gay parenting- how does gay marriage harm children.

Because it deliberately deprives the child of a mother or a father. Simple answer and I think we've covered this already.

How? If a lesbian couple has a kid......how does allowing the lesbian couple marry 'deprive the child of a mother and father'? They have the kid either way. Denying same sex parents marriage doesn't magically mean their children will have opposite sex parents. It only guarantees that they will never have married parents.

How does this benefit the children of same sex couples? The courts have already elaborated eloquently on the immediate legal harms caused by to children by denying marriage to their same sex parents. So what benefit balances the harm?

You excluded another possibility, protecting innocent children by not allowing perverts to adopt them in the first place.

Gays and lesbians can adopt in all but one state without gay marriage. So your 'third possibility' has a very, very narrow application. In virtually every instance in the nation, it doesn't apply. While one of my two possibilities does.

And can I take it from your failure to cite any benefit to a child created by denying their same sex parents the right to marry......

.....that you recognize there is no such benefit?

Because you didn't read my post. I'll put it more simply. Don't let perverts adopt children and no child will be harmed. It's a solution that entirely precludes the issue of marriage.

What relevance does that have with gay marriage?

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Because it deliberately deprives the child of a mother or a father. Simple answer and I think we've covered this already.

How? If a lesbian couple has a kid......how does allowing the lesbian couple marry 'deprive the child of a mother and father'? They have the kid either way. Denying same sex parents marriage doesn't magically mean their children will have opposite sex parents. It only guarantees that they will never have married parents.

How does this benefit the children of same sex couples? The courts have already elaborated eloquently on the immediate legal harms caused by to children by denying marriage to their same sex parents. So what benefit balances the harm?

You excluded another possibility, protecting innocent children by not allowing perverts to adopt them in the first place.

Gays and lesbians can adopt in all but one state without gay marriage. So your 'third possibility' has a very, very narrow application. In virtually every instance in the nation, it doesn't apply. While one of my two possibilities does.

And can I take it from your failure to cite any benefit to a child created by denying their same sex parents the right to marry......

.....that you recognize there is no such benefit?

Because you didn't read my post. I'll put it more simply. Don't let perverts adopt children and no child will be harmed. It's a solution that entirely precludes the issue of marriage.

What relevance does that have with gay marriage?

None. I don't care about your make believe playing house games, just don't suck an innocent child into your crazy pervert world.

 

[bodecea]

How? If a lesbian couple has a kid......how does allowing the lesbian couple marry 'deprive the child of a mother and father'? They have the kid either way. Denying same sex parents marriage doesn't magically mean their children will have opposite sex parents. It only guarantees that they will never have married parents.

How does this benefit the children of same sex couples? The courts have already elaborated eloquently on the immediate legal harms caused by to children by denying marriage to their same sex parents. So what benefit balances the harm?

This is the level of insanity this cult wants people to embrace. "Two lesbians = mom and dad" "A guy cutting off his dick and slicing a hole between his legs is now a woman".

Children should be involved in this as lab rats?!

No...two lesbians = mom and mom. It really isn't all THAT hard to compute.

 

[bodecea]

Children are being raised by gays whether their parents are married or not., denying them marriage doesn't magically put them in a home with a Mom and Dad. All that you are ensuring is that these children do not have married parents.

Children are being raised by polygamists whether their parents are married or not, denying them marriage...Children are being raised by incest parents whether their parents are married or not, denying them marriage...Children are being raised by monosexuals whether their parent chooses to be single or not, denying the monosexual marriage benefits...

And back to the question:

You have claimed that gay marriage will harm children.

How does gay marriage harm children?

Not gay parenting- how does gay marriage harm children.

Because it deliberately deprives the child of a mother or a father. Simple answer and I think we've covered this already.

How? If a lesbian couple has a kid......how does allowing the lesbian couple marry 'deprive the child of a mother and father'? They have the kid either way. Denying same sex parents marriage doesn't magically mean their children will have opposite sex parents. It only guarantees that they will never have married parents.

How does this benefit the children of same sex couples? The courts have already elaborated eloquently on the immediate legal harms caused by to children by denying marriage to their same sex parents. So what benefit balances the harm?

You excluded another possibility, protecting innocent children by not allowing perverts to adopt them in the first place. It's sad when a child is deprived of a mother or a father through the vicissitudes of life, but to deliberately erect a domestic structure that does this is abominable and proves how immoral and ripe for judgment the homosexual Left has become.

So, you want laws to take children away from gay parents.

 

[Skylar]

How? If a lesbian couple has a kid......how does allowing the lesbian couple marry 'deprive the child of a mother and father'? They have the kid either way. Denying same sex parents marriage doesn't magically mean their children will have opposite sex parents. It only guarantees that they will never have married parents.

How does this benefit the children of same sex couples? The courts have already elaborated eloquently on the immediate legal harms caused by to children by denying marriage to their same sex parents. So what benefit balances the harm?

You excluded another possibility, protecting innocent children by not allowing perverts to adopt them in the first place.

Gays and lesbians can adopt in all but one state without gay marriage. So your 'third possibility' has a very, very narrow application. In virtually every instance in the nation, it doesn't apply. While one of my two possibilities does.

And can I take it from your failure to cite any benefit to a child created by denying their same sex parents the right to marry......

.....that you recognize there is no such benefit?

Because you didn't read my post. I'll put it more simply. Don't let perverts adopt children and no child will be harmed. It's a solution that entirely precludes the issue of marriage.

What relevance does that have with gay marriage?

None. I don't care about your make believe playing house games, just don't suck an innocent child into your crazy pervert world.

And that's my point: that gay marriage is irrelevant to the issues being discussed.

 

[Silhouette]

How? If a lesbian couple has a kid......how does allowing the lesbian couple marry 'deprive the child of a mother and father'? They have the kid either way. Denying same sex parents marriage doesn't magically mean their children will have opposite sex parents. It only guarantees that they will never have married parents.

How does this benefit the children of same sex couples? The courts have already elaborated eloquently on the immediate legal harms caused by to children by denying marriage to their same sex parents. So what benefit balances the harm?

This is the level of insanity this cult wants people to embrace. "Two lesbians = mom and dad" "A guy cutting off his dick and slicing a hole between his legs is now a woman".

Children should be involved in this as lab rats?!

No...two lesbians = mom and mom. It really isn't all THAT hard to compute.

The point was that Skylar said "how does allowing the lesbian couple marry 'deprive the child of a mother and father'?"

Which of course is an insane statement. Now if he said womb and sperm donor, his statement couldn't appear farcical.

Sleight of hand...smoke and mirrors...The twist of language you expect people to do in order to remake reality is beyond the pale: it is insane. And anyone who jumps on board with you is as insane as you are.

 

[Syriusly]

Children are being raised by polygamists whether their parents are married or not, denying them marriage...Children are being raised by incest parents whether their parents are married or not, denying them marriage...Children are being raised by monosexuals whether their parent chooses to be single or not, denying the monosexual marriage benefits...

And back to the question:

You have claimed that gay marriage will harm children.

How does gay marriage harm children?

Not gay parenting- how does gay marriage harm children.

Because it deliberately deprives the child of a mother or a father. Simple answer and I think we've covered this already.

How? If a lesbian couple has a kid......how does allowing the lesbian couple marry 'deprive the child of a mother and father'? They have the kid either way. Denying same sex parents marriage doesn't magically mean their children will have opposite sex parents. It only guarantees that they will never have married parents.

How does this benefit the children of same sex couples? The courts have already elaborated eloquently on the immediate legal harms caused by to children by denying marriage to their same sex parents. So what benefit balances the harm?

You excluded another possibility, protecting innocent children by not allowing perverts to adopt them in the first place. It's sad when a child is deprived of a mother or a father through the vicissitudes of life, but to deliberately erect a domestic structure that does this is abominable and proves how immoral and ripe for judgment the homosexual Left has become.

So, you want laws to take children away from gay parents.

Of course he does- of course most of them do.

They are so 'pro-family' that they would prefer to rip children from their parents- if the parents are gay, and put them into good government run children holding facilities.

And of course being so 'pro-family'- they would prefer that children who have been abandoned by their good biological parents and left to the mercy of the State, stay LONGER without having a family- rather than allow them to be loved by a family where the couple is gay.

100,000 children awaiting adoption- almost all of them abandoned by their parents.
33,000 children wait 3 or more years to adopted.

That is okay to the homophobes- better that than allow them to be raised by a couple who commits to supporting that child for the rest of their live, financially and emotionally, if the couple happens to be gay.

Of course the next logical move is mandatory contraception for lesbians so Big Brother can ensure that they don't have any unlicensed children.....

 

[Syriusly]

How? If a lesbian couple has a kid......how does allowing the lesbian couple marry 'deprive the child of a mother and father'? They have the kid either way. Denying same sex parents marriage doesn't magically mean their children will have opposite sex parents. It only guarantees that they will never have married parents.

How does this benefit the children of same sex couples? The courts have already elaborated eloquently on the immediate legal harms caused by to children by denying marriage to their same sex parents. So what benefit balances the harm?

This is the level of insanity this cult wants people to embrace. "Two lesbians = mom and dad" "A guy cutting off his dick and slicing a hole between his legs is now a woman".

Children should be involved in this as lab rats?!

No...two lesbians = mom and mom. It really isn't all THAT hard to compute.

The point was that Skylar said "how does allowing the lesbian couple marry 'deprive the child of a mother and father'?"

Which of course is an insane statement. Now if he said womb and sperm donor, his statement couldn't appear farcical..

Now you still haven't answered the question.

How does allowing the lesbian couple to marry deprive the child of a mother or a father?

Or are you intending to accomplish that through mandatory sterilization of lesbians?

 

[Silhouette]

We won't discuss how or why people get pregnant here. This topic is about the psychological environment children are raised in. Not the biology of reproduction.