A Child Can't Call 2 Women or 2 Men "Mom & Dad"

[Politico]

Here's where your position is irrational.

1. You believe that same sex couples with children are harmful to those children.

2. You are willing to leave same sex marriage up to the states.

Question: why would you be willing to allow the states to sanction something you believe causes harm to children?

1. They are, they deprive 50% of children involved of their same gender as a role model. It's not their fault, it's a structural problem. And since it's a no-fault situation, the benefit of the choice always goes to the children because unlike gays, they cannot vote to affect their fate.
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Still waiting for you to explain how that works.

Same gender couple not married- raising children
Same gender couple married- raising children.

How does the act of marrying harm the children?

Point of the actual thread ignored. How does not marrying harm them?

 

[Agit8r]

Sure they can. But even if choose to call them dad/dad or mom/mom, who cares?

Recognition of gay marriage is coming at a federal level; therefore, legal in all states. Get used to it.

I can see how you would arrive at that conclusion given that

Given that the Supreme Court has allowed gay marriages to proceed in 38 states so far.

And why should people's free exercise of religion and personal practice
RELY on the Supreme Court in Washington "giving permission"???

Do you see the problem here?

Do Atheists need permission? Or Christians?
So whenever an Atheist has a conflict with a Christian,
we need to run to Court -- wah wah wah -- and tell on each other
and get some third party to intervene because we can't resolve issues on our own?

Is THAT what America has come to now?

If there was a Reality Show with all this drama going on,
I don't think I could bear to watch this...

Why is being a bigot necessary in order to practice Christianity? There certainly isn't anything in the teachings of Jesus that supports that notion.

 

[ninja007]

Calling some parents as "mom and dad" can really be a stretch, no matter if they are straight or gay. Sexual orientation doesn't dictate who is a good parent or who is a bad parent.
When I watch the news and the subject matter is child abuse, I can't recall it ever being gay parents, it seems that it's been heterosexual parents or single parents.
Food for thought.

food for thought hetero marraiges outnumber gay ones by a billion to one.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Marriage means two parents. Two parents means father/mother. It is so because that is the definition of the word and just so happens to be the prime and best psychological environment for children to establish their connection to society and find their identity in the world via their gender's modeling.

Aren't heterosexual opposite sex couples producing almost all of the planet's homosexuals?

 

[billyerock1991]

This drum beat needs to be heard on behalf of the most meek voices in this debate: children. They cannot vote to affect their fate and they rely solely upon the citizens of their respective states to act as their custodians in this matter. If those voices are silenced, so are theirs.

California, the most permissive state in the Union with the longest opportunity to observe the LGBT culture (San Francisco, CA as ground-zero) and uber-aggressive-litigation-machine, voted to preserve the physical structure of marriage as man/woman TWICE. What this means is, the experimental-lifestyle-as-parents is repugnant to the most permissive state with the most experience with the brand spanking new lab experiment with children.

This is obvious upon it's face, but a child cannot call 2 women or 2 men "Mom and Dad". This thread in the link below goes into excruciating detail as to why states must be allowed to incentivize the best physical structure of marriage on behalf of children/future productive or nonproductive liabilities to that respective state. That state's discreet community MUST have a voice on behalf of its unprotected citizens: children...

Prince s Trust Survey The Voices of the Voteless Children in Gay Marriage Debate US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

that's because they aren't mom and dad ... they either mom and mommy two or dad and daddy two... what's your point ??? are you saying they can't do as good a job of raising a child ??? is this what you're afraid of ???? that they will do a better job then mom and dad will ????

 

[NYcarbineer]

You are dodging, so let me repeat what I just asked:

So let me get this straight, when Justice Kennedy says "but what about the children involved in gay houses that might experience legal harm", then the pitch is about the children when you perceive it can gain you some leverage. But when I suggest that children are the most important people in marriage, and I cite the Prince's Trust survey from the OP here, suddenly "marriage isn't about children Sil".
Convenient....and telling...

There is no study proving beyond a reasonable doubt that same sex parenting should be illegal.

 

[Silhouette]

Aren't heterosexual opposite sex couples producing almost all of the planet's homosexuals?

Here's another non sequitur: (sort of) Didn't the homosexuals on these board arguing for the new experimental dismantling of the word "marriage" all have someone to call "Mom and Dad"?

 

[g5000]

Aren't heterosexual opposite sex couples producing almost all of the planet's homosexuals?

Here's another non sequitur: (sort of) Didn't the homosexuals on these board arguing for the new experimental dismantling of the word "marriage" all have someone to call "Mom and Dad"?

Didn't some of the bigots pretending gays are destroying marriage and the family have a Mom in one house and a Dad in another house who they only saw every other Saturday and Sunday?

 

[Skylar]

Aren't heterosexual opposite sex couples producing almost all of the planet's homosexuals?

Here's another non sequitur: (sort of) Didn't the homosexuals on these board arguing for the new experimental dismantling of the word "marriage" all have someone to call "Mom and Dad"?

Same sex couples are already having kids. So the relationship you describe isn't 'new'. But has existed for centuries. The only 'new' aspect is recognizing the marriages of same sex couples as valid.

Its not like denying marriage to same sex couples magically means that their children have opposite sex parents. Making your proposed solution (denying marriage) wholly irrelevant to your proposed issue (calling someone mom and dad).

So what else have you got?

 

[g5000]

Here's another non sequitur: (sort of) Didn't the homosexuals on these board arguing for the new experimental dismantling of the word "marriage" all have someone to call "Mom and Dad"?

Yes, and they turned out gay!

 

[Silhouette]

Didn't some of the bigots pretending this is about the sanctity of marriage on this forum have a Mom in one house and a Dad in another house who they only saw every other Saturday and Sunday?

Split custody between Mom and Dad? Sure yes, I'm sure many opposers of redacting marriage (who you ironically label with a sweeping blind hand as 'all bigots') had two people they called Mom and Dad whose homes they split time at being raised.

What does that have to do with institutionalizing the removal of even that option by dismantling the word "marriage' by federal force to put kids in homes where there is never access to a Dad or Mom?

 

[g5000]

Didn't some of the bigots pretending this is about the sanctity of marriage on this forum have a Mom in one house and a Dad in another house who they only saw every other Saturday and Sunday?

Split custody between Mom and Dad? Sure yes, I'm sure many opposers of redacting marriage (who you ironically label with a sweeping blind hand as 'all bigots') had two people they called Mom and Dad whose homes they split time at being raised.

What does that have to do with institutionalizing the removal of even that option by dismantling the word "marriage' by federal force to put kids in homes where there is never access to a Dad or Mom?

So you would ban single parenting of adopted kids?

Because a good friend of mine is single and raising three adopted children.

And you have never proven that children raised by gay parents are harmed any more than anyone else.

 

[Silhouette]

So you would ban single parenting of adopted kids?

Because a good friend of mine is single and raising three adopted children.

And you have never proven that children raised by gay parents are harmed any more than anyone else.

Where did I say I would ban anyone raising children? Need a quote for that accusation. We are talking about who marries, not any conceivable situation where children are growing up in.

 

[mdk]

Didn't some of the bigots pretending this is about the sanctity of marriage on this forum have a Mom in one house and a Dad in another house who they only saw every other Saturday and Sunday?

Split custody between Mom and Dad? Sure yes, I'm sure many opposers of redacting marriage (who you ironically label with a sweeping blind hand as 'all bigots') had two people they called Mom and Dad whose homes they split time at being raised.

What does that have to do with institutionalizing the removal of even that option by dismantling the word "marriage' by federal force to put kids in homes where there is never access to a Dad or Mom?

Children are being raised by gays whether their parents are married or not., denying them marriage doesn't magically put them in a home with a Mom and Dad. All that you are ensuring is that these children do not have married parents.

 

[g5000]

So you would ban single parenting of adopted kids?

Because a good friend of mine is single and raising three adopted children.

And you have never proven that children raised by gay parents are harmed any more than anyone else.

Where did I say I would ban anyone raising children?

You called gay spouses raising kids "federal force to put kids in homes where there is never access to a Dad or Mom".

Sheer nuttery clearly saying you would ban such a thing.

 

[Silhouette]

Children are being raised by gays whether their parents are married or not., denying them marriage doesn't magically put them in a home with a Mom and Dad. All that you are ensuring is that these children do not have married parents.

Children are being raised by polygamists whether their parents are married or not, denying them marriage...Children are being raised by incest parents whether their parents are married or not, denying them marriage...Children are being raised by monosexuals whether their parent chooses to be single or not, denying the monosexual marriage benefits...

 

[g5000]

Children are being raised by gays whether their parents are married or not., denying them marriage doesn't magically put them in a home with a Mom and Dad. All that you are ensuring is that these children do not have married parents.

Children are being raised by polygamists whether their parents are married or not, denying them marriage...Children are being raised by incest parents whether their parents are married or not, denying them marriage...

Is that legal?

Nope.

Quit with the idiotic apples and oranges fallacies, mm-kay?

 

[mdk]

Children are being raised by gays whether their parents are married or not., denying them marriage doesn't magically put them in a home with a Mom and Dad. All that you are ensuring is that these children do not have married parents.

Children are being raised by polygamists whether their parents are married or not, denying them marriage...Children are being raised by incest parents whether their parents are married or not, denying them marriage...Children are being raised by monosexuals whether their parent chooses to be single or not, denying the monosexual marriage benefits...

I knew it was only a matter of time before you abandoned your position and introduced a red herring. You are predicable as the rising the sun.

 

[Silhouette]

Children are being raised by gays whether their parents are married or not., denying them marriage doesn't magically put them in a home with a Mom and Dad. All that you are ensuring is that these children do not have married parents.

Children are being raised by polygamists whether their parents are married or not, denying them marriage...Children are being raised by incest parents whether their parents are married or not, denying them marriage...

Is that legal?

Nope.

Quit with the idiotic apples and oranges fallacies, mm-kay?

Yes, polygamy was just recently decriminalized in Utah.

 

[g5000]

Children are being raised by gays whether their parents are married or not., denying them marriage doesn't magically put them in a home with a Mom and Dad. All that you are ensuring is that these children do not have married parents.

Children are being raised by polygamists whether their parents are married or not, denying them marriage...Children are being raised by incest parents whether their parents are married or not, denying them marriage...

Is that legal?

Nope.

Quit with the idiotic apples and oranges fallacies, mm-kay?

Yes, polygamy was just recently decriminalized in Utah.

Then how is that "denying them marriage"?