Zone1 A child afflicted with anencephalia, with no ability to think, breathe on their own, feel pain, to ever become self-aware, etc. is a "person."

[Chuz Life]

Were they killed during the pregnancy phase?

A child murderer just means someone who never should have been a parent to start with.

Which has nothing to do with a safe, sensible, and practical medical procedure to end unwanted or deformed pregnancies.

Ah, so when does "parenthood" begin, Joey?

 

[JoeB131]

Ah, so when does "parenthood" begin, Joey?

When the parents decide it begins. Duh.

Some take their responsibilities seriously pre-natal.

Others hand their kids off for adoption and give them to someone else.

But again- HER BODY, HER CHOICE.

 

[Chuz Life]

When the parents decide it begins. Duh.

Some take their responsibilities seriously pre-natal.

Others hand their kids off for adoption and give them to someone else.

But again- HER BODY, HER CHOICE.

When did HER body "begin" Joey?

 

[JoeB131]

When did HER body "begin" Joey?

When she was born, guy.

I'm not sure why you think this Chicken or the Egg shit flies.

Not two chickens.

 

[Chuz Life]

When she was born, guy.

I'm not sure why you think this Chicken or the Egg shit flies.

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Not two chickens.

Probably not two chickens. Most people don't eat fertilized eggs.

Now you know.

 

[JoeB131]

Probably not two chickens. Most people don't eat fertilized eggs.

Now you know.

Most people don't put medical waste in a cradle.

Now you know.

 

[Chuz Life]

Most people don't put medical waste in a cradle.

Now you know.

Joey, you should try using your egg analogy in court to defend someone charged with murder under a fetal homicide law. Those laws, like U.S. Code § 1841, treat a human fetus as a victim from conception, no matter their stage of development.

Good luck convincing a judge and jury that it was just ‘medical waste’ and not a person worth protecting.

 

[Hafar1014]

Of course there is a brain, just not any higher brain. The brain was built from the inside out with the center essentially being a remnant of our primitive brain from millions of years ago when our ancestors were still lizards.

But believe me, I fully understand a child born with this rare disconnect between the normal growth of the brain from the brain-stem has essentially next to zero chance of gaining any even rudimentary functions without a miracle as all of the brain which supports those functions is missing.

But if I or you were on the delivery table under those circumstances, I'm betting both of us would ask for that tiny chance.

That said, it is all a moot point since the real question here is only if even a kid like this qualifies as a person, and he does.

They only have a brain stem

 

[JoeB131]

Joey, you should try using your egg analogy in court to defend someone charged with murder under a fetal homicide law. Those laws, like U.S. Code § 1841, treat a human fetus as a victim from conception, no matter their stage of development.

Good luck convincing a judge and jury that it was just ‘medical waste’ and not a person worth protecting.

Those laws are probably unconstituitonal, but no one has mounted a good challenge to them yet.

Seems kind of stupid that we can charge a guy who punches a pregnant lady with murder when that probably wasn't his intent, but we can't charge a doctor for intentionally killing Globby.

(Of course, the answer isn't to start charging doctors or the women who have them.)

 

[Dragonlady]

When did HER body "begin" Joey?

Stupid question Chuz.

When does the woman get to decide her life Chuz. When does the woman have rights to self determination?

Not once have you ever given the woman any rights in the process whatsoever.

 

[toobfreak]

When does the woman get to decide her life Chuz.

All her life. What she shouldn't decide is the life of another, especially another person's life who came about through her own intentional actions. If you jump off a building, you fall. On the way down, you don't get to change your mind after taking your own actions. The time to decide not to fall is before you jump by not jumping. Some women want their cake and to eat it too. If you want the sex but without the children, simple: just get your tubes tied or only date guys who have vasectomies.

When does the woman have rights to self determination?

Every day by closing her legs to every passing Tom, Dick, and Harry and not being a wanton trollop.

Not once have you ever given the woman any rights in the process whatsoever.

The woman has all the rights possible. She has the right to avoid pregnancy if she doesn't want kids, she has the right to get fixed so she won't get pregnant, or she has the right to let herself get knocked up and to love the child, she has the right to stay home and masturbate, but she doesn't have the right to murder others. But if abortion is the only choice, at least do it by, say, the 16th week or thereabouts.

 

[Hafar1014]

All her life. What she shouldn't decide is the life of another, especially another person's life who came about through her own intentional actions. If you jump off a building, you fall. On the way down, you don't get to change your mind after taking your own actions. The time to decide not to fall is before you jump by not jumping. Some women want their cake and to eat it too. If you want the sex but without the children, simple: just get your tubes tied or only date guys who have vasectomies.


Every day by closing her legs to every passing Tom, Dick, and Harry and not being a wanton trollop.


The woman has all the rights possible. She has the right to avoid pregnancy if she doesn't want kids, she has the right to get fixed so she won't get pregnant, or she has the right to let herself get knocked up and to love the child, she has the right to stay home and masturbate, but she doesn't have the right to murder others. But if abortion is the only choice, at least do it by, say, the 16th week or thereabouts.

So how long have you hated women since you describe them as sluts. She also has the right to an abortion and there isnt a damn thing you can do about it

 

[toobfreak]

So how long have you hated women since you describe them as sluts.

Blow it out your ass. Either learn to read, grow a brain, STFU, or quit misrepresenting the truth by trying to put words in other people's mouths.

She also has the right to an abortion

Really? Can you show me where that "right" is enshrined in law?

and there isnt a damn thing you can do about it

I love it when idiots like you make statements that are already demonstrably wrong, since we are already doing something about it, or did you also miss the fact that RvW has been done away with???

 

[Chuz Life]

Those laws are probably unconstituitonal, but no one has mounted a good challenge to them yet.

Seems kind of stupid that we can charge a guy who punches a pregnant lady with murder when that probably wasn't his intent, but we can't charge a doctor for intentionally killing Globby.

(Of course, the answer isn't to start charging doctors or the women who have them.)

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[Chuz Life]

Those laws are probably unconstituitonal, but no one has mounted a good challenge to them yet.

Seems kind of stupid that we can charge a guy who punches a pregnant lady with murder when that probably wasn't his intent, but we can't charge a doctor for intentionally killing Globby.

(Of course, the answer isn't to start charging doctors or the women who have them.)

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[Hafar1014]

Blow it out your ass. Either learn to read, grow a brain, STFU, or quit misrepresenting the truth by trying to put words in other people's mouths.


Really? Can you show me where that "right" is enshrined in law?


I love it when idiots like you make statements that are already demonstrably wrong, since we are already doing something about it, or did you also miss the fact that RvW has been done away with???

U.S. Abortion Rights by State | Map, Laws, Legal Rights, Details, & Exceptions | Britannica

Beginning in 1973 with the U.S. Supreme Court’s ruling in Roe v. Wade, Americans’ right to abortion was protected by a constitutional right to privacy. The Court reaffirmed this right in 1992 with Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania v. Casey. While abortion rights appeared to many

www.britannica.com

Here is list of states that passed laws allowing abortion. Glad you asked
So tell me what are you going to do about it

 

[Hafar1014]

It started at about the same time you began lying that I called all women sluts. Making personal attacks and putting false words in other people mouths especially in the CDZ trying to make the discussion personal instead of sticking to the topic usually doesn't end well for the attacker.
These are your words tooby

Every day by closing her legs to every passing Tom, Dick, and Harry and not being a wanton trollop.

 

[toobfreak]

Every day by closing her legs to every passing Tom, Dick, and Harry and not being a wanton trollop.

I don't see the word slut in there, nor do I see anything that implies I hate all women just because some of them might be pigs.

I'm pushing 70 years old and in all that time still have never met a single woman who would consider much less get an abortion, much less fight for it as an essential human right that needs to be paid for by taxpayers.

But since apparently you are a liar and maybe being a trollop hits a little too close to home for you and you are incapable of sticking to the topic, I think I'll report you to the moderators and put you on ignore.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

You'd make a woman carry a baby for the full nine months just to watch it die within days of birth, incuring thousands of dollars in debt for the doctors to go through the motions, because fetuses are people, all praise the fetus. We got it. You are a fanatic. We've established that.

It is entirely possible to recognize that the baby, you said baby, is a human being AND find circumstances that necessitate ending that life. You don't really need to deny that person's humanity.

 

[Chuz Life]

Here is list of states that passed laws allowing abortion. Glad you asked
So tell me what are you going to do about it

"While abortion rights appeared to many jurists to be precedent and “settled law,” anti-abortion activists and their sponsors never saw it as such, and for nearly 50 years they lobbied the Court to overturn Roe. The Court’s June 2022 decision in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization did just that. Federal abortion rights were nullified, and the regulation of abortion was returned to the states."

Firstly, there is no Federal right to abortion, and to the extent it is now up to each State, you are an idiot if you think that will be the end of the debate on this.

The SCOTUS, sooner or later, is going to have to agree that having personhood begin at a different point in every State is contrary to the fundamental principle in the Constitution - that "all persons are entitled to the equal protection of our laws."