A chance to rework US history to a more equitable understanding.

[Tommy Tainant]

Juneteenth: How the US holiday is being celebrated

People are marking the anniversary of the last enslaved black Americans being freed on 19 June 1865.

www.bbc.co.uk

The new national holiday has caused a lot of discussion about American history. July 4th seems to be a divisive date. Not least because "Independence Day" was anything but for many Americans.

Perhaps now is the time to re-evaluate the past and seek a consensus about what it means to be American.

The values and aspirations of the constitution cannot be faulted but the application fell well short for at least a couple of centuries. Is it not time to divide American history into two distinct segments. If you like an "Old Testament" and a "New Testament" .

So the New Testament would start from a time where the nation started to reflect the principles of its founders. You could argue for several different dates here. Juneteenth would have its supporters and deserves to be recognised as a hugely important date in the nations story.

But perhaps that would be a little premature. The struggle still continued. What about the passing of the Civil Rights Act in 1964. Possibly a more credible start date for the nation and a substantial step forward to that "all men created equal" stuff.

What about 2008 when President Obama was elected? Truly an amazing moment for the country and an inspiration to millions across the planet, and Alabama.

So everything before 64/08 would be bad "old testament" America where the constitution was basically a lying sham of a document. And after 64/08 would be "New testament" America where the constitution takes life and the country starts to live up to its founders aspirations. Every American can then share in the triumphs and defeats of the country from that date onwards.

Or perhaps you could suggest a different date ? What say you America ?

 

[Floyd61]

Obama was the official point when America started to become a 3rd world country

 

[MarathonMike]

Great Britain has been very successful at whitewashing it's own ugly history with slavery. Step down off your pedestal Tommy and do some reading on your own country before you point the accusing finger at the US.

Excerpt from a report on Great Britain's history with slavery:

"The history of British slavery has been buried. The thousands of British families who grew rich on the slave trade, or from the sale of slave-produced sugar, in the 17th and 18th centuries, brushed those uncomfortable chapters of their dynastic stories under the carpet. Today, across the country, heritage plaques on Georgian townhouses describe former slave traders as “West India merchants”, while slave owners are hidden behind the equally euphemistic term “West India planter”. Thousands of biographies written in celebration of notable 17th and 18th-century Britons have reduced their ownership of human beings to the footnotes, or else expunged such unpleasant details altogether. The Dictionary of National Biography has been especially culpable in this respect. Few acts of collective forgetting have been as thorough and as successful as the erasing of slavery from the Britain’s “island story”. If it was geography that made this great forgetting possible, what completed the disappearing act was our collective fixation with the one redemptive chapter in the whole story. William Wilberforce and the abolitionist crusade, first against the slave trade and then slavery itself, has become a figleaf behind which the larger, longer and darker history of slavery has been concealed."

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Obama was the official point when America started to become a 3rd world country

Well you make a compelling and detailed argument sir. But it could be argued that America was a third world country UNTIL that point.

 

[Asclepias]

Re working history means telling the truth. White america cant handle the truth. It would cause confusion and heighten the inferiority complex they already have.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Great Britain has been very successful at whitewashing it's own ugly history with slavery. Step down off your pedestal Tommy and do some reading on your own country before you point the accusing finger at the US.

Excerpt from a report on Great Britain's history with slavery:

"The history of British slavery has been buried. The thousands of British families who grew rich on the slave trade, or from the sale of slave-produced sugar, in the 17th and 18th centuries, brushed those uncomfortable chapters of their dynastic stories under the carpet. Today, across the country, heritage plaques on Georgian townhouses describe former slave traders as “West India merchants”, while slave owners are hidden behind the equally euphemistic term “West India planter”. Thousands of biographies written in celebration of notable 17th and 18th-century Britons have reduced their ownership of human beings to the footnotes, or else expunged such unpleasant details altogether. The Dictionary of National Biography has been especially culpable in this respect. Few acts of collective forgetting have been as thorough and as successful as the erasing of slavery from the Britain’s “island story”. If it was geography that made this great forgetting possible, what completed the disappearing act was our collective fixation with the one redemptive chapter in the whole story. William Wilberforce and the abolitionist crusade, first against the slave trade and then slavery itself, has become a figleaf behind which the larger, longer and darker history of slavery has been concealed."

Its a shameful history from a shit country. Start a thread and then come back to discuss this one..

 

[Asclepias]

Great Britain has been very successful at whitewashing it's own ugly history with slavery. Step down off your pedestal Tommy and do some reading on your own country before you point the accusing finger at the US.

Excerpt from a report on Great Britain's history with slavery:

"The history of British slavery has been buried. The thousands of British families who grew rich on the slave trade, or from the sale of slave-produced sugar, in the 17th and 18th centuries, brushed those uncomfortable chapters of their dynastic stories under the carpet. Today, across the country, heritage plaques on Georgian townhouses describe former slave traders as “West India merchants”, while slave owners are hidden behind the equally euphemistic term “West India planter”. Thousands of biographies written in celebration of notable 17th and 18th-century Britons have reduced their ownership of human beings to the footnotes, or else expunged such unpleasant details altogether. The Dictionary of National Biography has been especially culpable in this respect. Few acts of collective forgetting have been as thorough and as successful as the erasing of slavery from the Britain’s “island story”. If it was geography that made this great forgetting possible, what completed the disappearing act was our collective fixation with the one redemptive chapter in the whole story. William Wilberforce and the abolitionist crusade, first against the slave trade and then slavery itself, has become a figleaf behind which the larger, longer and darker history of slavery has been concealed."

To this day the queen of england wears diamonds stolen from Africa.

 

[Natural Citizen]

And after 64/08 would be "New testament" America where the constitution takes life and the country starts to live up to its founders aspirations. Every American can then share in the triumphs and defeats of the country from that date onwards.

We should whip the dookie outta you red coats again. That'd be a hoot.

Except this time bury yuns under the rotting mound of brown-shirts you've enlisted to do your dirty work.

Gosh darned bogo right thar.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Yankee Doodle went to town...uh ridin awna poh nee....

 

[progressive hunter]

Juneteenth: How the US holiday is being celebrated

People are marking the anniversary of the last enslaved black Americans being freed on 19 June 1865.

www.bbc.co.uk

The new national holiday has caused a lot of discussion about American history. July 4th seems to be a divisive date. Not least because "Independence Day" was anything but for many Americans.

Perhaps now is the time to re-evaluate the past and seek a consensus about what it means to be American.

The values and aspirations of the constitution cannot be faulted but the application fell well short for at least a couple of centuries. Is it not time to divide American history into two distinct segments. If you like an "Old Testament" and a "New Testament" .

So the New Testament would start from a time where the nation started to reflect the principles of its founders. You could argue for several different dates here. Juneteenth would have its supporters and deserves to be recognised as a hugely important date in the nations story.

But perhaps that would be a little premature. The struggle still continued. What about the passing of the Civil Rights Act in 1964. Possibly a more credible start date for the nation and a substantial step forward to that "all men created equal" stuff.

What about 2008 when President Obama was elected? Truly an amazing moment for the country and an inspiration to millions across the planet, and Alabama.

So everything before 64/08 would be bad "old testament" America where the constitution was basically a lying sham of a document. And after 64/08 would be "New testament" America where the constitution takes life and the country starts to live up to its founders aspirations. Every American can then share in the triumphs and defeats of the country from that date onwards.

Or perhaps you could suggest a different date ? What say you America ?

how do you 'REWORK" history???

 

[Hang on Sloopy]

Juneteenth: How the US holiday is being celebrated

People are marking the anniversary of the last enslaved black Americans being freed on 19 June 1865.

www.bbc.co.uk

The new national holiday has caused a lot of discussion about American history. July 4th seems to be a divisive date. Not least because "Independence Day" was anything but for many Americans.

Perhaps now is the time to re-evaluate the past and seek a consensus about what it means to be American.

The values and aspirations of the constitution cannot be faulted but the application fell well short for at least a couple of centuries. Is it not time to divide American history into two distinct segments. If you like an "Old Testament" and a "New Testament" .

So the New Testament would start from a time where the nation started to reflect the principles of its founders. You could argue for several different dates here. Juneteenth would have its supporters and deserves to be recognised as a hugely important date in the nations story.

But perhaps that would be a little premature. The struggle still continued. What about the passing of the Civil Rights Act in 1964. Possibly a more credible start date for the nation and a substantial step forward to that "all men created equal" stuff.

What about 2008 when President Obama was elected? Truly an amazing moment for the country and an inspiration to millions across the planet, and Alabama.

So everything before 64/08 would be bad "old testament" America where the constitution was basically a lying sham of a document. And after 64/08 would be "New testament" America where the constitution takes life and the country starts to live up to its founders aspirations. Every American can then share in the triumphs and defeats of the country from that date onwards.

Or perhaps you could suggest a different date ? What say you America ?

Why don't you worry about your own fucking history Tammy The Retard.

Yer the ones who brought those cursed slaves here to be nothing but wastes of society today

 

[progressive hunter]

Re working history means telling the truth. White america cant handle the truth. It would cause confusion and heighten the inferiority complex they already have.

what truth are we getting wrong??

 

[Hang on Sloopy]

Juneteenth: How the US holiday is being celebrated

People are marking the anniversary of the last enslaved black Americans being freed on 19 June 1865.

www.bbc.co.uk

The new national holiday has caused a lot of discussion about American history. July 4th seems to be a divisive date. Not least because "Independence Day" was anything but for many Americans.

Perhaps now is the time to re-evaluate the past and seek a consensus about what it means to be American.

The values and aspirations of the constitution cannot be faulted but the application fell well short for at least a couple of centuries. Is it not time to divide American history into two distinct segments. If you like an "Old Testament" and a "New Testament" .

So the New Testament would start from a time where the nation started to reflect the principles of its founders. You could argue for several different dates here. Juneteenth would have its supporters and deserves to be recognised as a hugely important date in the nations story.

But perhaps that would be a little premature. The struggle still continued. What about the passing of the Civil Rights Act in 1964. Possibly a more credible start date for the nation and a substantial step forward to that "all men created equal" stuff.

What about 2008 when President Obama was elected? Truly an amazing moment for the country and an inspiration to millions across the planet, and Alabama.

So everything before 64/08 would be bad "old testament" America where the constitution was basically a lying sham of a document. And after 64/08 would be "New testament" America where the constitution takes life and the country starts to live up to its founders aspirations. Every American can then share in the triumphs and defeats of the country from that date onwards.

Or perhaps you could suggest a different date ? What say you America ?

how do you 'REWORK" history???

REWOKE history is the subject

 

[Auld Phart]

Re working history means telling the truth. White america cant handle the truth. It would cause confusion and heighten the inferiority complex they already have.

Re working history means telling the truth.

It can also mean white washing, or covering up unpleasant facts.

 

[there4eyeM]

Genuine history is context and fact taken together. Given the world out of which the U.S. emerged, its concepts of government were radically liberal and liberating. Naturally, there were many who took advantage of this at the expense of others. Naturally, not everyone advanced at the same rate. Honesty dictates, nonetheless, that the real human benefits be recognized. Life was hard for the majority of people. The majority worked hard to exist. Poor men, women and minorities all took a back seat to the rich and powerful, just as in every other country. Yet, unlike almost every other nation, progress was made until everyone's lot improved and mistakes of the past were more and more corrected. Looking at what was accomplished in comparison with the rest of the world, America looks pretty good. It paid a heavy price for the involvement in slavery that it inherited from previous eons, but managed to survive and continue incremental improvement while many other areas of the world went nowhere, or even slid backward.

 

[Asclepias]

Re working history means telling the truth. White america cant handle the truth. It would cause confusion and heighten the inferiority complex they already have.

Re working history means telling the truth.

It can also mean white washing, or covering up unpleasant facts.

Well white people have already done that with history. I believe by saying "reworking" the assumption is telling the truth.

 

[MarathonMike]

Genuine history is context and fact taken together. Given the world out of which the U.S. emerged, its concepts of government were radically liberal and liberating. Naturally, there were many who took advantage of this at the expense of others. Naturally, not everyone advanced at the same rate. Honesty dictates, nonetheless, that the real human benefits be recognized. Life was hard for the majority of people. The majority worked hard to exist. Poor men, women and minorities all took a back seat to the rich and powerful, just as in every other country. Yet, unlike almost every other nation, progress was made until everyone's lot improved and mistakes of the past were more and more corrected. Looking at what was accomplished in comparison with the rest of the world, America looks pretty good. It paid a heavy price for the involvement in slavery that it inherited from previous eons, but managed to survive and continue incremental improvement while many other areas of the world went nowhere, or even slid backward.

Excellent post!

 

[Asclepias]

Genuine history is context and fact taken together. Given the world out of which the U.S. emerged, its concepts of government were radically liberal and liberating. Naturally, there were many who took advantage of this at the expense of others. Naturally, not everyone advanced at the same rate. Honesty dictates, nonetheless, that the real human benefits be recognized. Life was hard for the majority of people. The majority worked hard to exist. Poor men, women and minorities all took a back seat to the rich and powerful, just as in every other country. Yet, unlike almost every other nation, progress was made until everyone's lot improved and mistakes of the past were more and more corrected. Looking at what was accomplished in comparison with the rest of the world, America looks pretty good. It paid a heavy price for the involvement in slavery that it inherited from previous eons, but managed to survive and continue incremental improvement while many other areas of the world went nowhere, or even slid backward.

Excellent post!

It kind of white washes reality though. The US specifically introduced the concept of chattel slavery which was not inherited but an american invention. The US was almost a century behind the first country to eradicate slavery. Most people have no clue what country this was due to the white washing of history.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Yankee Doodle went to town...uh ridin awna poh nee....

Just as an afterthought, but more so as a courtesy to the casual passer-by who may not have understood the humor in that. And the irony, given the sentiment and overall intellectual dishonesty of the op.

It's funny how such behavior so often backfires, predictably, isn't it? Heh heh.

Anyway...

Yankee Doodle: The Story Behind The Song

 

[JustAGuy1]

Juneteenth: How the US holiday is being celebrated

People are marking the anniversary of the last enslaved black Americans being freed on 19 June 1865.

www.bbc.co.uk

The new national holiday has caused a lot of discussion about American history. July 4th seems to be a divisive date. Not least because "Independence Day" was anything but for many Americans.

Perhaps now is the time to re-evaluate the past and seek a consensus about what it means to be American.

The values and aspirations of the constitution cannot be faulted but the application fell well short for at least a couple of centuries. Is it not time to divide American history into two distinct segments. If you like an "Old Testament" and a "New Testament" .

So the New Testament would start from a time where the nation started to reflect the principles of its founders. You could argue for several different dates here. Juneteenth would have its supporters and deserves to be recognised as a hugely important date in the nations story.

But perhaps that would be a little premature. The struggle still continued. What about the passing of the Civil Rights Act in 1964. Possibly a more credible start date for the nation and a substantial step forward to that "all men created equal" stuff.

What about 2008 when President Obama was elected? Truly an amazing moment for the country and an inspiration to millions across the planet, and Alabama.

So everything before 64/08 would be bad "old testament" America where the constitution was basically a lying sham of a document. And after 64/08 would be "New testament" America where the constitution takes life and the country starts to live up to its founders aspirations. Every American can then share in the triumphs and defeats of the country from that date onwards.

Or perhaps you could suggest a different date ? What say you America ?

Go kiss your Queen, we aren't buying what you're selling.