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The relationship between blacks and white members of the Jewish community is complex.
And that needs to be recognized.

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Blacks and Jews in America: History, Myths, and Realities​

Jews in the Civil Rights Movement​

How did the organized Jewish community become involved in the civil rights movement? As of the 1940s, it was not apparent that American Jews would make common cause with blacks. Indeed, this involvement exemplifies how the Jewish community makes a particular issue a priority for action.

Contrary to conventional wisdom, the beginnings of the Jewish involvement in civil rights – specifically, in fair employment practices legislation – came not in the 1950s but a decade earlier, after President Franklin D. Roosevelt issued Executive Order 8802.3 Roosevelt thereby sought to avert a march on Washington threatened by union leader and civil rights activist A. Philip Randolph, who saw the expanding industrial base as a means to alleviate discrimination against black employment. Executive Order 8802 outlawed discrimination in defense industries (later expanded to include all federal contractors) and created the Fair Employment Practices Committee (FEPC) to oversee enforcement.

Beset with serious employment discrimination against their own community, Jewish leaders saw their opportunity and in turn created the Coordinating Committee of Jewish Organizations Concerned with Discrimination in the War Industries. This body, with its cumbersome name, was incorporated in 1944 in the newly formed National Community Relations Advisory Council (NCRAC).4 Toward the end of the war, as conservatives threatened to abolish the FEPC – the one agency that gave teeth to Executive Order 8802 – Jewish groups became involved with the National Council for a Permanent FEPC, created by Randolph in 1943. It was this coalition that marked the beginning of what became known as the civil rights movement.

Jewish groups hardly expressed unanimous support in the 1940s for making common cause with blacks. At an early NCRAC plenary session, in a forum on “Relations with Negroes,” a vigorous debate took place on the wisdom of coalition-building with blacks. Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, an American Jewish Congress and NAACP (National Association for the Advancement of Colored People) leader, argued for continued involvement based on Jewish self-interest. His rationale, a rearticulation of the original reasons for Jewish involvement in the civil rights struggle, is key to understanding Jewish engagement in this area.

Jews were not involved in civil rights because they were liberals – which they were – or because it was the right thing to do – which it was. What motivated Jews, rather, was Jewish self-interest. Wise and other Jewish leaders understood that the struggle for minority rights strengthened the fiber of society and benefited all minorities, especially (at the time) Jews. The 1940s were a period of high anti-Semitism in America, when institutional discrimination against Jews in employment, education, and housing was still significant. Jewish reluctance to take the lead in the struggle reflected the fact that the Jewish community was insecure and defensive, and did not relish visibility. Courageous and far-sighted leaders such as Wise, however, realized that this timidity needed to be overcome, and eventually it was.5

The genesis of Jewish involvement in civil rights exemplifies a central principle of American Jewish life: Jews become involved in issues to the extent that they implicate Jewish security; communal self-interest is primary.​

 
In Judaism, there is a concept of "Tikkun Olam". It's not an Indian dish, it literally means, "repair the world".

It is a mitzvah (commandment) for Jews to become involved in causes or actions where society is broken and in need of repair.
 
The relationship between blacks and white members of the Jewish community is complex.
And that needs to be recognized.

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Blacks and Jews in America: History, Myths, and Realities​

Jews in the Civil Rights Movement​

How did the organized Jewish community become involved in the civil rights movement? As of the 1940s, it was not apparent that American Jews would make common cause with blacks. Indeed, this involvement exemplifies how the Jewish community makes a particular issue a priority for action.

Contrary to conventional wisdom, the beginnings of the Jewish involvement in civil rights – specifically, in fair employment practices legislation – came not in the 1950s but a decade earlier, after President Franklin D. Roosevelt issued Executive Order 8802.3 Roosevelt thereby sought to avert a march on Washington threatened by union leader and civil rights activist A. Philip Randolph, who saw the expanding industrial base as a means to alleviate discrimination against black employment. Executive Order 8802 outlawed discrimination in defense industries (later expanded to include all federal contractors) and created the Fair Employment Practices Committee (FEPC) to oversee enforcement.

Beset with serious employment discrimination against their own community, Jewish leaders saw their opportunity and in turn created the Coordinating Committee of Jewish Organizations Concerned with Discrimination in the War Industries. This body, with its cumbersome name, was incorporated in 1944 in the newly formed National Community Relations Advisory Council (NCRAC).4 Toward the end of the war, as conservatives threatened to abolish the FEPC – the one agency that gave teeth to Executive Order 8802 – Jewish groups became involved with the National Council for a Permanent FEPC, created by Randolph in 1943. It was this coalition that marked the beginning of what became known as the civil rights movement.

Jewish groups hardly expressed unanimous support in the 1940s for making common cause with blacks. At an early NCRAC plenary session, in a forum on “Relations with Negroes,” a vigorous debate took place on the wisdom of coalition-building with blacks. Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, an American Jewish Congress and NAACP (National Association for the Advancement of Colored People) leader, argued for continued involvement based on Jewish self-interest. His rationale, a rearticulation of the original reasons for Jewish involvement in the civil rights struggle, is key to understanding Jewish engagement in this area.

Jews were not involved in civil rights because they were liberals – which they were – or because it was the right thing to do – which it was. What motivated Jews, rather, was Jewish self-interest. Wise and other Jewish leaders understood that the struggle for minority rights strengthened the fiber of society and benefited all minorities, especially (at the time) Jews. The 1940s were a period of high anti-Semitism in America, when institutional discrimination against Jews in employment, education, and housing was still significant. Jewish reluctance to take the lead in the struggle reflected the fact that the Jewish community was insecure and defensive, and did not relish visibility. Courageous and far-sighted leaders such as Wise, however, realized that this timidity needed to be overcome, and eventually it was.5

The genesis of Jewish involvement in civil rights exemplifies a central principle of American Jewish life: Jews become involved in issues to the extent that they implicate Jewish security; communal self-interest is primary.​

Sammie Davis Junior was a Jew. There was no big todo about it, as I recollect. He sure knew how to make people laugh. His skits were the best.
 
But, Jewish comedians and entertainers are quite rare. On the whole, we're a serious and boring bunch.
Excuse me, but Jewish folks aren't boring: Paul Newman, Adam Sandler, Kirk Douglas, William Shatner, Jerry Seinfeld, Joaquin Phoenix, Gene Wilder, Mel Brooks, Ben Stiller, David Schwimmer, Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Bob Saget, Dustin Hoffman, Sean Penn, Rick Moranis, Rob Schneider, Michael Landen, Alan Arkin, Jerry Lewis, Leonard Nimoy, Art Garfunkel, James Caan, Peter Falk, Ed Asner, Tony Curtis, Jason Alexander, Walter Matthau, Edward G. Robinson, Danny Kaye, Groucho Marx,
 
Excuse me, but Jewish folks aren't boring: Paul Newman, Adam Sandler, Kirk Douglas, William Shatner, Jerry Seinfeld, Joaquin Phoenix, Gene Wilder, Mel Brooks, Ben Stiller, David Schwimmer, Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Bob Saget, Dustin Hoffman, Sean Penn, Rick Moranis, Rob Schneider, Michael Landen, Alan Arkin, Jerry Lewis, Leonard Nimoy, Art Garfunkel, James Caan, Peter Falk, Ed Asner, Tony Curtis, Jason Alexander, Walter Matthau, Edward G. Robinson, Danny Kaye, Groucho Marx,

One thing Jews DO understand, is irony.
 
Sammie Davis Junior was a Jew. There was no big todo about it, as I recollect. He sure knew how to make people laugh. His skits were the best.
Who unfortunately sold his soul to the devil.
 
Excuse me, but Jewish folks aren't boring: Paul Newman, Adam Sandler, Kirk Douglas, William Shatner, Jerry Seinfeld, Joaquin Phoenix, Gene Wilder, Mel Brooks, Ben Stiller, David Schwimmer, Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Bob Saget, Dustin Hoffman, Sean Penn, Rick Moranis, Rob Schneider, Michael Landen, Alan Arkin, Jerry Lewis, Leonard Nimoy, Art Garfunkel, James Caan, Peter Falk, Ed Asner, Tony Curtis, Jason Alexander, Walter Matthau, Edward G. Robinson, Danny Kaye, Groucho Marx,
Captain Kirk is Jewish? Whodathunk?
 
The relationship between blacks and white members of the Jewish community is complex.
And that needs to be recognized.

View attachment 669038

Blacks and Jews in America: History, Myths, and Realities​

Jews in the Civil Rights Movement​

How did the organized Jewish community become involved in the civil rights movement? As of the 1940s, it was not apparent that American Jews would make common cause with blacks. Indeed, this involvement exemplifies how the Jewish community makes a particular issue a priority for action.

Contrary to conventional wisdom, the beginnings of the Jewish involvement in civil rights – specifically, in fair employment practices legislation – came not in the 1950s but a decade earlier, after President Franklin D. Roosevelt issued Executive Order 8802.3 Roosevelt thereby sought to avert a march on Washington threatened by union leader and civil rights activist A. Philip Randolph, who saw the expanding industrial base as a means to alleviate discrimination against black employment. Executive Order 8802 outlawed discrimination in defense industries (later expanded to include all federal contractors) and created the Fair Employment Practices Committee (FEPC) to oversee enforcement.

Beset with serious employment discrimination against their own community, Jewish leaders saw their opportunity and in turn created the Coordinating Committee of Jewish Organizations Concerned with Discrimination in the War Industries. This body, with its cumbersome name, was incorporated in 1944 in the newly formed National Community Relations Advisory Council (NCRAC).4 Toward the end of the war, as conservatives threatened to abolish the FEPC – the one agency that gave teeth to Executive Order 8802 – Jewish groups became involved with the National Council for a Permanent FEPC, created by Randolph in 1943. It was this coalition that marked the beginning of what became known as the civil rights movement.

Jewish groups hardly expressed unanimous support in the 1940s for making common cause with blacks. At an early NCRAC plenary session, in a forum on “Relations with Negroes,” a vigorous debate took place on the wisdom of coalition-building with blacks. Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, an American Jewish Congress and NAACP (National Association for the Advancement of Colored People) leader, argued for continued involvement based on Jewish self-interest. His rationale, a rearticulation of the original reasons for Jewish involvement in the civil rights struggle, is key to understanding Jewish engagement in this area.

Jews were not involved in civil rights because they were liberals – which they were – or because it was the right thing to do – which it was. What motivated Jews, rather, was Jewish self-interest. Wise and other Jewish leaders understood that the struggle for minority rights strengthened the fiber of society and benefited all minorities, especially (at the time) Jews. The 1940s were a period of high anti-Semitism in America, when institutional discrimination against Jews in employment, education, and housing was still significant. Jewish reluctance to take the lead in the struggle reflected the fact that the Jewish community was insecure and defensive, and did not relish visibility. Courageous and far-sighted leaders such as Wise, however, realized that this timidity needed to be overcome, and eventually it was.5

The genesis of Jewish involvement in civil rights exemplifies a central principle of American Jewish life: Jews become involved in issues to the extent that they implicate Jewish security; communal self-interest is primary.​

If it may have started that way, do you think it continued that way? I don’t. I think they did it because It was the right thing to do, like common cause against Hitler.
 
One thing Jews DO understand, is irony.
I didn't get to the end of my list, and didn't even start on actresses of that faith. My favorite Jew of all time however, was not an actor, but a little-known colonial financier whose name was Solomon Haim. Before it became evident that the colonials would win, General Washington ran out of money to feed, shoe, and dress his rag-tag army. Mr. Haim coughed up all his money, month after month, and when he was broke, he made an emergency trip to his Jewish friends to donate all they could to the Revolutionary War effort. We couldn't have won the war because the troops were starving already, and Mr. Solomon to his own fiscal ruin, garnered enough money to finish the Brits off, as New England winters were fierce, and the British were getting very unhappy about having to go to war against their cousins and families who had been in the colonies insome cases for generations, and they felt like they were hurting their loved ones, so the brass cratered, put them on the boat and sailed back to England after briefly conceding the effort to the patriotic colonial men who were enabled by the generosity of Jewish colonialists, who were never reimbursed in money, but held so dear President George Washington insisted that freedom of religion was part of the First Amendment, and nobody who'd been a member of the Continental Congress could disagree.

We wouldn't be discussing the fate of our present war of words online had it not been for the flowering of intellectual, artistic, and mathematical interests that the freedom our fathers came up with in writing the Constitution that would serve the new nation to become the greatest power on earth by WWII.

That's a broad picture to paint, but the Jews, quite frankly saved our sorry butts in the years it took to fight off the uncaring monarchy that refused to even see or speak to our representatives who wanted to share our needs and intentions to the British Crown. The King of England hamstrung himself with negative toward our forebears. And the Jews here made it happen with their generosity to the cause of freedom and equality of mankind.
 
The relationship between blacks and white members of the Jewish community is complex.
And that needs to be recognized.



Blacks and Jews in America: History, Myths, and Realities​

Black people have nothing in common with each other skin colour.
Jews have nothing in common with each other, except for their religion.

We've hashed over this issue before and it's not necessary to do it again!
 
In Judaism, there is a concept of "Tikkun Olam". It's not an Indian dish, it literally means, "repair the world".

It is a mitzvah (commandment) for Jews to become involved in causes or actions where society is broken and in need of repair.
That is a wonderful concept…there was a member here, who hasn’t posted in several years unfortunately, who explained that concept to me. We certainly need more of that in our broken world.
 
If it may have started that way, do you think it continued that way? I don’t. I think they did it because It was the right thing to do, like common cause against Hitler.
As in everything, not everybody had the same reason. Now this is the Jewish side of the story, however, there no doubt were members of the Jewish community who fought because they felt it was the right thing to do.
 
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