Zone1 A Brief Look at Blacks and Jews in America(take 2)

[flacaltenn]

If Jews know they are white then stop trying to compare youraelves to blacks. Your whiteness afforded you things blacks could not get. Your distinctness allowed you to buy property in black communities that some Jews overcharged for rent. That's how and why Jews have been able to prosper. Therefore end all the malarkey, strawman arguments, denial and false equivalences.

I'm going to look into restrictive covenants because I don't think that involved Jews. And some Jews were white enough to change their last names, become property owners a hold racist beliefs. Ask Donald Sterling. Or Michael Allen Weiner, better known as Michael Savage.

The same Michael Savage who said Arabs were non human and who has ranted anti black bs on the radio for years. Then you have Mark Levin, another white Jew who has spewed racism for years.

Mark Levin Suggests Blacks Are Too Stupid To Vote Republican​

Mark Levin's Pitch For Blacks To Vote Republican Is Insulting

www.newshounds.us

How about Dennis Prager?

Dennis Prager Thinks It's 'Idiotic That You Cannot Say the N-Word,' Blames the 'Disgusting' Left​

Dennis Prager Thinks It's 'Idiotic That You Cannot Say the N-Word'

"The left has made it impossible to say the n-word any longer. That's disgusting, it's a farce. It's the only word that you can't say in the English language."

www.newsweek.com

Don't even try making the same comparison to the k word because there aren't a lot of blacks running around complaining because we can't use that word. And don't try using what Jessie Jackson said in the 1980's for a whataboutism.

Even as he said these things he whines about anti semitism.

Dennis Prager: Anti-Semitism Is the Worst Form of Racism Because It Seeks to Exterminate an Entire Ethnicity

'The left's condemnation of Israel and sympathy for Hamas is just another example of the morally inverted world the left has constructed.'

www.westernjournal.com

Then we have Ben Shapiro.

All of these are Jewish people with anti black views. Weiner,Levin, Prager and Shapiro all are on airwaves daily spewing racism. You won't find 4 black talk radio hosts who rant endlessly anti semitic views on an almost daily basis anywhere. But you blame the NAACP for the growing gulf. That's hilarious.

That's how white some Jews know they are. And then we have those like you trying to equalize the experience of blacks and jews in order to dismiss what blacks say about our experience.

Michael Savage IS a psychotic narcissist. You are CORRECT.

But the rest of your EVIDENCE is junk. Didnt read past Levin. You go to one GUY who's posting from mom's basement because he's OBSESSED with hating Fox News and cant hold a job and you fall for a TITLE ---- THAT IS OPINION of Levin said. NOT PROVEN by what Levin ACTUALLY was quoted saying. SHOW ME -- "the blacks are too stupid to vote Republican" part. ITS NOT THERE.

The ENTIRE QUOTE was about how stupid they were to CONTINUE to support a party that ignores them most of the time and whose NAME has it roots in slavery, Jim Crow and segregation. Thinks putting a few blacks into token power positions puts food on the table or gas in your car.

There's enough for you to be VALIDLY irate. Dont work yourself up searching for bad examples on the web.

Levin offered this stuck-in-the-sixties diatribe as a defense of Republicans vis-à-vis race:

What we’re to make of it is this is a hateful race-baiting party that has really no good ideas, let alone new ideas and I hope African Americans around the country understand that the Democrat Party has always used them. The Democrat Party stood for slavery against Lincoln. It stood for segregation – all the way up from the Civil War into the 1950s and 60s. The first Civil Rights Act was actually 1957, Dwight Eisenhower. He sent the Army into Arkansas to open up that school when a Democrat governor was blocking the doorway, Faubus
You can look through the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Most Republicans voted for it. The 1965 Voting Rights Act – most Republicans voted for it. You can look at FDR’s first nominee to the Supreme Court, Hugo Black, was a former lawyer for the Klan in Alabama. You can look at Robert Byrd, that wasn’t that long ago when the Democrats rallied behind him and made them their majority leader in the senate – former Klansman.
Republicans don’t have a history of lynching anybody. They don’t have a history of blocking school doors. They don’t have a history of racism of any kind. And for once, I’d like a Republican to stand up and rub the Democrats face in their real history.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

No he isn’t, he makes some good points . The Jews were in the forefront of the Civil Rights movement, so why the antisemitism? Why now? For the same reason, why the racism on the part of some Jews?

Coyote there is no antisemitism being promoted here. You and FlaCalTenn are allowing Lisa's insecurities to color your perceptions. Pick ANY topic and she has to interject her being a [persecuted] Jewish person into the conversation when she's not complaining that black people are getting too much attention in comparison to our representation of the population (13%) - appearing in ads, on posters at the mall, in the media, singing the National Anthem, being admitted to colleges, displacing imminently more qualified job candidates, etc. etc. etc..

The point IM2 is making is that there are Jewish leaders who themselves have admitted that they recognized the advantages to themselves as a minority that came with joining up with the black leaders of the civil rights movement. It's not meant as a condemnation, it's was an effort to counter and show Lisa that she doesn't have to believe us, that there are Jewish people who have documented their reasons for having done so.

The Jewish people were allies who were very much appreciated however when you and FlaCalTenn claim they were at the "forefront" of the Civil Rights movement you are making it sound as if they were the ones who started the movement and made up the majority of the membership when that simply is not true. Forefront is defined as "the leading or most important position or place"

One of the things that I love about the Jewish people whom I have come to know over the last 8 years is not only the kindness they always have shown me, but the concern for my well being and interest in me and my life. I was asked by several members once if I felt unsafe around the police because of the things they were seeing and hearing in the news when there was a rash of highly publicized shooting of black motorists by the police. My response was that they don't mess with me too much probably because I'm female but that I definitely had concerns for my younger brother. That was years ago but they know now who I was talking about because he has taken over some of my responsibilities.

And they were always so appreciative that we spent our time watching over and protecting them while they are worshiping. On more than one occasion after they took the time to stop specifically just to say thank you, I let a couple of them know "well I know what it feels like to be targeted" as well as wishing that it wasn't necessary for them to have to have someone watch over them in their houses of worship while attending services.

They would also teach me how to say things in both Hewbrew and Yiddish

Mod Note: Snipped paragraph about disliking a member by name. -- FCT NewsVine_Mariyam

Civil Rights Movement​

The civil rights movement was a struggle for justice and equality for African Americans that took place mainly in the 1950s and 1960s. It was led by people like Martin Luther King Jr., Malcolm X, the Little Rock Nine and many others.​

Civil Rights Movement​

7 Civil Rights Leaders You Need to Know​

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8:20​

Throughout American history, many have had to fight to advance the ideals of liberty and equality. Learn about 7 lesser-known civil rights leaders who were crucial to their causes, in this episode of History Countdown.​

7 Civil Rights Leaders You Need to Know​

Remembering Jews who Fought for Black Civil Rights​

In the 1960s, hundreds of Jews worked tirelessly to advance civil rights. Two of them were murdered.​

“I am one freedom rider who will never, ever forget the assistance of Jews.”​

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Hank Thomas, a major figure in the American civil rights struggle and one of the first Freedom Riders who traveled throughout the American South in the 1960s to raise awareness of the struggle for Black rights, always remembered the many Jews who helped him.​

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In the 2011 documentary Freedom Riders, he recalled the key role American Jews played in calling for equal rights for Black Americans. “Let’s put it this way,” Thomas explained, “when Germany was defeated in World War II, headlines across the nation read ‘Allies defeat Germany.’ Well, we had allies, too. Half of the freedom riders were white, and of those whites, a very significant portion of them were Jews. Jews played a very significant part in our human rights struggle.”​

Remembering Jews who Fought for Black Civil Rights - aish.com Jewish Society, Israel​

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[NewsVine_Mariyam]

And you constantly downplay that Jews were living through an unbelievable nightmare - their own relatives were being murdered - and they STILL managed to move from poverty to the middle class ima generation.

Why do you keep acting like none of us had any relatives murdered? Or that the murder of your people was WORSE than the murder of ours?

How in the hell do you justify that?

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

It’s not a balance. There might be some racism on the part of some Jews, but the antisemitism coming from blacks is much more prevalent.

But it’s a good question. Why, after Jews were willing to sacrifice their lives to support blacks in the Civil Rights movement, are so many blacks antisemitic? Why, like IM2, are they discrediting Jews for their life-risking efforts during the Civil Rights movement, and they now saying Jews did it for selfish reasons?

I could broaden the question. Why, after all the progress and calm of the 80s and 90s and 00s, are blacks now demanding reparations and perpetuating this “oppression narrative”? It’s not like slavery is a new issue.

My fear, as the economy worsens and a recession takes hold, antisemitism will increase even more. Jews have been made scapegoats throughout history, and a bad economy - like in the lead-up to Hitler - enables antisemites to turn up the hate even further. Threads like this, by a black intending to make Jews look bad, don’t help.

How long have you been worried about being made into a scapegoat? Are you saying that you have fears of the holocaust occurring again? In America?

And I'm asking because you said this

"blacks now demanding reparations and perpetuating this “oppression narrative”? It’s not like slavery is a new issue"​

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Why do you think the reparations are because of slavery?

 

[irosie91]

How long have you been worried about being made into a scapegoat? Are you saying that you have fears of the holocaust occurring again? In America?

And I'm asking because you said this

"blacks now demanding reparations and perpetuating this “oppression narrative”? It’s not like slavery is a new issue"​

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Why do you think the reparations are because of slavery?

I am fascinated. There have been some demands by various black groups for "reparations". "Reparations for what "? As to the "antisemitism"--do you deny that there is anti-jew feeling perpeturated by black leaders?

 

[IM2]

Flacaltenn, I find it funny how you say how a white Jew who you think is a grad student somewhere can't tell you about Jews in America but you as a white man has felt free to lecture me about what blacks should do, how blacks are being told what to think, the history of oyr relationshipss with Jews, how racism does not exist, how there is no systemic racism of the fact I say there is no black victimhood or victim mentality. Give up the paternalism.

 

[IM2]

I am fascinated. There have been some demands by various black groups for "reparations". "Reparations for what "? As to the "antisemitism"--do you deny that there is anti-jew feeling perpeturated by black leaders?

You can't be serious. And do you deny there is a long history of anti black racism in the Jewish community?

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

but the discrimination against them was a burden that OTHER whites did not have to carry.

That is such an ironic statement

 

[IM2]

That is such an ironic statement

He ignores the discrimination some Jews practiced against blacks. He ignores the Jews who are racists right now.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

[snipped]

This seems to be something with Jews that you don’t see with blacks. Blacks are hitting back hard against racism - too hard, IMO, as seen with the BLM riots - yet so many Jews are afraid to stand up for themselves.

I am honestly surprised to see you acknowledge this because most of the time you insist that racism no longer exits in the U.S.

 

[irosie91]

You can't be serious. And do you deny there is a long history of anti black racism in the Jewish community?

Yes, I do.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

He ignores the discrimination some Jews practiced against blacks. He ignores the Jews who are racists right now.

He can emphasize with the poor WHITE people who have the EXTRA (?) burden of discrimination but what about the burden of discrimination that black people have shouldered for more than 400 years? He makes it sound like he feels for them (emphasizes with them) and I just can't remember him expressing that kind of empathy for black people.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

American Jews set up ulpans (night schools for adults) to help the new Eastern European learn English, and they helped them find homes and jobs.

You don't consider that a form of assistance?

 

[IM2]

He can emphasize with the poor WHITE people who have the EXTRA (?) burden of discrimination but what about the burden of discrimination that black people have shouldered for more than 400 years? He makes it sound like he feels for them (emphasizes with them) and I just can't remember him expressing that kind of empathy for black people.

That's because the democrats are telling us we are victims of discrimination so we can vote for them. Whereby anti white discrimination is real. After all newsvine, flacaltenn has not been alive for 400 years so it's not on him.

 

[irosie91]

I am honestly surprised to see you acknowledge this because most of the time you insist that racism no longer exits in the U.S.

no so "HONESTLY" Lisa has asserted "RACISM
no longer exists in the U.S ? where?

Why do you keep acting like none of us had any relatives murdered? Or that the murder of your people was WORSE than the murder of ours?

How in the hell do you justify that?

"HOW IN THE HELL" do you get from the statement of Lisa "....murder of your people was
WORSE than the murder of ours..."?

 

[irosie91]

He ignores the discrimination some Jews practiced against blacks. He ignores the Jews who are racists right now.

You ignore the discrimination lots of blacks practice
against jews-------blacks who are RACISTS--right
now

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

That's because the democrats are telling us we are victims of discrimination so we can vote for them. Whereby anti white discrimination is real. After all newsvine, flacaltenn has not been alive for 400 years so it's not on him.

or his...

 

[IM2]

I guess Mariyam, it's because most of the arguments here about HISTORICAL racism DO have to do with things like the grotesque GI bill snafu, or ALLOWING DISCRIMATION for 70 years until the CRA. Those examples are MAJOR IDENTIFIABLE IMPEDIMENTS to black achievement. We've got 100 years of a steadfast refusal to GRANT economic freedom by govt even tho the social freedom issue was fixed from the beginning. The IDEA of lack of equality in the MILITARY thru 2 World Wars is a CONCRETE MARKER of the major obstructions.

When you get into nasty ATTITUDES and PERSONAL biases, like in the Jewish version of discrimination, it gets into the weeds trying to point at MARKERS that block people from achievement socially or economically. Because NO one is going to let a minority of haters DICTATE their future. And there ARE paths around that. Thru churches, public institutions, MOVING to another location for example.

We got at least 189 years of steadfast refusal to grant economic freedom. Some of that was while white Jews were getting economic development assistance. Where you got 70 years from is laughable.

And then there is this:

"An advertisement in North Carolina’s Wilmington Journal in 1847 reveals a stain on local Jewish history. Ansley Davis, who came from Petersburg, Virginia, published the ad under the heading “Negroes Wanted.” The text stated: “I wish to purchase a large number of Negroes of both sexes, from the age of 14 to 30, for which I will pay the highest cash market price.” Davis, whose family owned one of the largest Jewish-run slave-trading companies in the entire South, would tour the region every summer seeking new slaves, which he later sold.

Davis was not the only Southern Jew who made a living in the slave trade prior to the Civil War. David Wise of New Orleans also put up slaves for sale at the time, working out of a depot on the city’s Baronne Street. “Has always on hand a large number of slaves, which will be sold for cash,” according to an ad that he placed in a paper. “A fine lot of young, likely, able-bodied negroes – girls and men – excellent field hands.” By the time the war broke out, New Orleans was the largest slave-trading city in the South."

The uncomfortable truths of Jewish life in the U.S. south

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www.haaretz.com

So as I have said from the beginning, the relationship between blacks and Jews is complicated.

 

[IM2]

Michael Savage IS a psychotic narcissist. You are CORRECT.

But the rest of your EVIDENCE is junk. Didnt read past Levin. You go to one GUY who's posting from mom's basement because he's OBSESSED with hating Fox News and cant hold a job and you fall for a TITLE ---- THAT IS OPINION of Levin said. NOT PROVEN by what Levin ACTUALLY was quoted saying. SHOW ME -- "the blacks are too stupid to vote Republican" part. ITS NOT THERE.

The ENTIRE QUOTE was about how stupid they were to CONTINUE to support a party that ignores them most of the time and whose NAME has it roots in slavery, Jim Crow and segregation. Thinks putting a few blacks into token power positions puts food on the table or gas in your car.

There's enough for you to be VALIDLY irate. Dont work yourself up searching for bad examples on the web.

None of it is junk. I posted things they said. So just face the truth. I'm not going to show you a damn thing. Who the hell do you think you are? You make comments about blacks being controlled by liberals with NO facts and you believe that as if it was delivered to you from the lord. Those men I pointed out are racists. And they are Jews. Man up and face the truth instead of running. You have seen me state that I do not agree with anti semitism coming from the NOI. Unlike you, I am not burying my head in the sand then claiming something wasn't said that was just because some blacks are shown to be anti semitic.

Don't try telling me what that racist SOB said, because even that is untrue. You guys talk about democrats ignoring blacks while republicans oppose anything that provides blacks with equal opportunity. Talkis cheap, and while your party claims it's for individual freedom, it only fights for white individual freedom. Democrats passed the John Lewis voting rights act. Blacks asked for that. Republicans shot it down. Democrats supported the police reform bill, blacks asked for that, Republicans shot that down. That's how its been done for years so don't try putting words out there that racist did not say. He said the same --- you believe.

So just man up and stop making excuses.

 

[Lisa558]

It's funny how you all weren't the least bit concerned with the concept of EQUITY when the net gain was almost exclusively going to whites.

The net gain hasn’t exclusively been going to whites in my lifetime, so no….I wasn’t concerned with equity.