911 terrorists to be tried in NYC

[potter 58]

so, did ya

 

[potter 58]

and I love Kenny Rodgers, I even have him on 8 track with the 1St Edition LOl

 

[PatekPhilippe]

This whole thing stinks. We have a supposed confession from KSM after he was waterboarded 183 times in one month. Still, five years after that they had not been taken to trial. Eight years after that day we are now just putting them on trial? Here's a simple question: How could there have been enough evidence days after 9E to justify invading a whole other country yet not enough evidence to convict even EIGHT YEARS later?

Of course the American haters among us have already decided these guys are guilty so their voices are as useless as they are whiny. But for the rest of us, how can we endorse this trial which is suspect while also not calling for prosecution of those who committed torture?

Who tortured? No one that I'm aware of. Where are the SPECIFIC LAWS in U.S. Code as outlined prior to the changes made after the Democrats came to power that SPECIFICALLY defined waterboarding as torture and what the penalties were....
remember THE SPECIFIC U.S. Code...not some eurotrash Helsinki bullshit....U.S. CODE!!!

 

[Darkwind]

This whole thing stinks. We have a supposed confession from KSM after he was waterboarded 183 times in one month. Still, five years after that they had not been taken to trial. Eight years after that day we are now just putting them on trial? Here's a simple question: How could there have been enough evidence days after 9E to justify invading a whole other country yet not enough evidence to convict even EIGHT YEARS later?

Of course the American haters among us have already decided these guys are guilty so their voices are as useless as they are whiny. But for the rest of us, how can we endorse this trial which is suspect while also not calling for prosecution of those who committed torture?

Who tortured? No one that I'm aware of. Where are the SPECIFIC LAWS in U.S. Code as outlined prior to the changes made after the Democrats came to power that SPECIFICALLY defined waterboarding as torture and what the penalties were....
remember THE SPECIFIC U.S. Code...not some eurotrash Helsinki bullshit....U.S. CODE!!!

You also have to remember that what was done at Gitmo was NOT water-boarding.

The real water-boarding technique had the victim's head submerged under water for an unspecified amount of time. There was an actual chance of dying from the real water-boarding.

 

[CurveLight]

It's really ******* disturbing to see the bloodlust and concluding the suspects are guilty before any conviction. That is not America. Those are not the principles on which our Nation was founded. That is why those who make such statements are no less anti-American than the most vile terrorists in the world.

What are you talking about?

A military tribunal is every bit as much a court of law as the civilian one. And for a few of these killers, they have already confessed their guilt.

They deserve to die for what they have done.

Why mention military tribunals? I didn't say anything about them. I simply pointed out these guys have not been convicted yet people are bloodlusting.

As for the confessions.....you can't seriously trust those. If anyone got tortured enough they would confess to anything.

 

[Darkwind]

It's really ******* disturbing to see the bloodlust and concluding the suspects are guilty before any conviction. That is not America. Those are not the principles on which our Nation was founded. That is why those who make such statements are no less anti-American than the most vile terrorists in the world.

What are you talking about?

A military tribunal is every bit as much a court of law as the civilian one. And for a few of these killers, they have already confessed their guilt.

They deserve to die for what they have done.

Why mention military tribunals? I didn't say anything about them. I simply pointed out these guys have not been convicted yet people are bloodlusting.

As for the confessions.....you can't seriously trust those. If anyone got tortured enough they would confess to anything.

Not if they knew that the confession was a death sentence.

In addition, one or two (I don't remember which ones) confessed without having been interrogated.

At any rate, it is better to determine these things in a military tribunal then in a civilian court of law.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

This whole thing stinks. We have a supposed confession from KSM after he was waterboarded 183 times in one month. Still, five years after that they had not been taken to trial. Eight years after that day we are now just putting them on trial? Here's a simple question: How could there have been enough evidence days after 9E to justify invading a whole other country yet not enough evidence to convict even EIGHT YEARS later?

Of course the American haters among us have already decided these guys are guilty so their voices are as useless as they are whiny. But for the rest of us, how can we endorse this trial which is suspect while also not calling for prosecution of those who committed torture?

Who tortured? No one that I'm aware of. Where are the SPECIFIC LAWS in U.S. Code as outlined prior to the changes made after the Democrats came to power that SPECIFICALLY defined waterboarding as torture and what the penalties were....
remember THE SPECIFIC U.S. Code...not some eurotrash Helsinki bullshit....U.S. CODE!!!

You also have to remember that what was done at Gitmo was NOT water-boarding.

The real water-boarding technique had the victim's head submerged under water for an unspecified amount of time. There was an actual chance of dying from the real water-boarding.

The SERE version that I was subjected too was a wet cloth placed over the mouth and nose, then water was continuously poured over the cloth. The other version where the head is dunked into water is in fact ILLEGAL and is known as water TORTURE. The libtard loons are trying to blur the line between both methods.

 

[Darkwind]

Who tortured? No one that I'm aware of. Where are the SPECIFIC LAWS in U.S. Code as outlined prior to the changes made after the Democrats came to power that SPECIFICALLY defined waterboarding as torture and what the penalties were....
remember THE SPECIFIC U.S. Code...not some eurotrash Helsinki bullshit....U.S. CODE!!!

You also have to remember that what was done at Gitmo was NOT water-boarding.

The real water-boarding technique had the victim's head submerged under water for an unspecified amount of time. There was an actual chance of dying from the real water-boarding.

The SERE version that I was subjected too was a wet cloth placed over the mouth and nose, then water was continuously poured over the cloth. The other version where the head is dunked into water is in fact ILLEGAL and is known as water TORTURE. The libtard loons are trying to blur the line between both methods.

Exactly. But someone called it water-boarding and the SR-media has ran with that ever since.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

CurveLight
It's really ******* disturbing to see the bloodlust and concluding the suspects are guilty before any conviction. That is not America. Those are not the principles on which our Nation was founded. That is why those who make such statements are no less anti-American than the most vile terrorists in the world.

You mean kind of like what the left does all the time with any Republican in power from 2001 to 2008....that kind of guilty before innocent stuff?

 

[CurveLight]

This whole thing stinks. We have a supposed confession from KSM after he was waterboarded 183 times in one month. Still, five years after that they had not been taken to trial. Eight years after that day we are now just putting them on trial? Here's a simple question: How could there have been enough evidence days after 9E to justify invading a whole other country yet not enough evidence to convict even EIGHT YEARS later?

Of course the American haters among us have already decided these guys are guilty so their voices are as useless as they are whiny. But for the rest of us, how can we endorse this trial which is suspect while also not calling for prosecution of those who committed torture?

Who tortured? No one that I'm aware of. Where are the SPECIFIC LAWS in U.S. Code as outlined prior to the changes made after the Democrats came to power that SPECIFICALLY defined waterboarding as torture and what the penalties were....
remember THE SPECIFIC U.S. Code...not some eurotrash Helsinki bullshit....U.S. CODE!!!

You also have to remember that what was done at Gitmo was NOT water-boarding.

The real water-boarding technique had the victim's head submerged under water for an unspecified amount of time. There was an actual chance of dying from the real water-boarding.

There is more than one method of waterboarding and it is already public knowledge KSM was waterboarded 183 times in a single month.

 

[Darkwind]

Who tortured? No one that I'm aware of. Where are the SPECIFIC LAWS in U.S. Code as outlined prior to the changes made after the Democrats came to power that SPECIFICALLY defined waterboarding as torture and what the penalties were....
remember THE SPECIFIC U.S. Code...not some eurotrash Helsinki bullshit....U.S. CODE!!!

You also have to remember that what was done at Gitmo was NOT water-boarding.

The real water-boarding technique had the victim's head submerged under water for an unspecified amount of time. There was an actual chance of dying from the real water-boarding.

There is more than one method of waterboarding and it is already public knowledge KSM was waterboarded 183 times in a single month.

In fact, there is only one method of water-boarding. KSM was not subjected to it. To be honest, I looked. I really did. But I couldn't find any sympathy for him anywhere inside Me.

I simply got nothing.

If the confession was coerced, that would come out in a Military Tribunal and dealt with appropriately.

He would still need to stand trial.

 

[potter 58]

and we know , they did it the right way because we don't torture

 

[CurveLight]

You also have to remember that what was done at Gitmo was NOT water-boarding.

The real water-boarding technique had the victim's head submerged under water for an unspecified amount of time. There was an actual chance of dying from the real water-boarding.

The SERE version that I was subjected too was a wet cloth placed over the mouth and nose, then water was continuously poured over the cloth. The other version where the head is dunked into water is in fact ILLEGAL and is known as water TORTURE. The libtard loons are trying to blur the line between both methods.

Exactly. But someone called it water-boarding and the SR-media has ran with that ever since.

Waterboarding is not limited to one specific technique.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

The SERE version that I was subjected too was a wet cloth placed over the mouth and nose, then water was continuously poured over the cloth. The other version where the head is dunked into water is in fact ILLEGAL and is known as water TORTURE. The libtard loons are trying to blur the line between both methods.

Exactly. But someone called it water-boarding and the SR-media has ran with that ever since.

Waterboarding is not limited to one specific technique.

Yes it is.....and waterboarding was LEGAL up until the Democrats changed the law a short while ago.

 

[Darkwind]

The SERE version that I was subjected too was a wet cloth placed over the mouth and nose, then water was continuously poured over the cloth. The other version where the head is dunked into water is in fact ILLEGAL and is known as water TORTURE. The libtard loons are trying to blur the line between both methods.

Exactly. But someone called it water-boarding and the SR-media has ran with that ever since.

Waterboarding is not limited to one specific technique.

In fact it is.

I know that there are people who would like to expand all techniques of ancient torture and their variations to infinity. But there comes a limit to how much spin one can put on a subject.

Water-boarding is the torture of holding an individual upside down and immersing their head in water for an unspecified amount of time. The technique did NOT induce the feeling of drowning. It WAS drowning. Quite often, the people who were subjected to this form or torture died.

Fast forward to today where a rag is held over a person who may or may not be laying on their back, and water is poured over the rag. This causes the a fear response that one is drowning. But in fact, one cannot die by this method.

In the past, the victim was alone.

Fast forward to today where a physician is standing by and there are witnesses that are sworn to ensure that nothing goes beyond what was authorized. In essence, the detainee will not be permitted to die.

Does the procedure cause great discomfort and panic in the detainee?

Why, yes it does.

Do I care?

Why, no I don't.

It is NOT torture, it has gleaned us real and valuable information that has saved the lives of our men and women in the armed services.

In the end. I support the method used.

 

[CurveLight]

You also have to remember that what was done at Gitmo was NOT water-boarding.

The real water-boarding technique had the victim's head submerged under water for an unspecified amount of time. There was an actual chance of dying from the real water-boarding.

There is more than one method of waterboarding and it is already public knowledge KSM was waterboarded 183 times in a single month.

In fact, there is only one method of water-boarding. KSM was not subjected to it. To be honest, I looked. I really did. But I couldn't find any sympathy for him anywhere inside Me.

I simply got nothing.

If the confession was coerced, that would come out in a Military Tribunal and dealt with appropriately.

He would still need to stand trial.

There is not simply "one" method.

"That term is used to describe several interrogation techniques. The victim may be immersed in water, have water forced into the nose and mouth, or have water poured onto material placed over the face so that the liquid is inhaled or swallowed."
Waterboarding Used to Be a Crime - washingtonpost.com

 

[KittenKoder]

Honestly ... we can't come up with a more accurate or quicker way of coming up with answers?

Take a revolver, put in one bullet ... spin it ... put it to the guys crotch and pull the trigger each time he refuses to say something ... he'll talk really fast then.

 

[Darkwind]

There is more than one method of waterboarding and it is already public knowledge KSM was waterboarded 183 times in a single month.

In fact, there is only one method of water-boarding. KSM was not subjected to it. To be honest, I looked. I really did. But I couldn't find any sympathy for him anywhere inside Me.

I simply got nothing.

If the confession was coerced, that would come out in a Military Tribunal and dealt with appropriately.

He would still need to stand trial.

There is not simply "one" method.

"That term is used to describe several interrogation techniques. The victim may be immersed in water, have water forced into the nose and mouth, or have water poured onto material placed over the face so that the liquid is inhaled or swallowed."
Waterboarding Used to Be a Crime - washingtonpost.com

You are going to have to find another source other then the media. Quite frankly, they don't know what they are talking about. In fact, they are the instigators of this hysteria.

You are going to have to understand one thing about Me though before you go looking for more definitions.

When it comes to war and the enemies of My country, I am old school.

I am a barbarian. I believe that winning wars means that you are five times as brutal as your enemy. That you wage extreme violence upon him and his allies until they no longer exist. I don't believe in asking for quarter nor will I be willing to give it.

Survival is not a game played on the interwebs, nor is it a game played by politics. You either fight to survive, or you die.

 

[Darkwind]

Honestly ... we can't come up with a more accurate or quicker way of coming up with answers?

Take a revolver, put in one bullet ... spin it ... put it to the guys crotch and pull the trigger each time he refuses to say something ... he'll talk really fast then.

I would have no problem with that.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

There is more than one method of waterboarding and it is already public knowledge KSM was waterboarded 183 times in a single month.

In fact, there is only one method of water-boarding. KSM was not subjected to it. To be honest, I looked. I really did. But I couldn't find any sympathy for him anywhere inside Me.

I simply got nothing.

If the confession was coerced, that would come out in a Military Tribunal and dealt with appropriately.

He would still need to stand trial.

There is not simply "one" method.

"That term is used to describe several interrogation techniques. The victim may be immersed in water, have water forced into the nose and mouth, or have water poured onto material placed over the face so that the liquid is inhaled or swallowed."
Waterboarding Used to Be a Crime - washingtonpost.com

No matter how much you refuse to accept it.....there is. The highlighted method is WATER TORTURE....in the method employed on KSM NO WATER WAS INHALED OR SWALLOWED. It was SIMULATED DROWNING.