75th Anniversary

[gipper]

Had the Japanese had the atomic bomb they would have used it also.

Illogical.

Because they were a murderous regime, we should be too? I think not.

Americans like to think their government is better but sadly it isn’t, because too many of it’s people are easily duped by the corporate establishment.

We proved we could be just as murderous as the Japanese but for different reasons.

No. Same reasons. Imperialism.

 

[gipper]

Had the Japanese had the atomic bomb they would have used it also.

We could use this type of argument to argue that we should have gassed german civilians en masse. With the difference being germans actually did this, making the argument even stronger. Does that seem like a good moral argument to you?

It could be as good as any.

As good as any argument for gassing civilians en masse? What a courageous position...

Yeah it’s a terribly dumb argument, but many Americans use it to justify the heinous acts of their government.

 

[Mushroom]

MacArthur informed fdr that he had received word of overtures to surrender from Japan. You are calling MacArthur a liar.

Yes, actually I am.

Individuals who are never named, now any kind of authority given anywhere inside the Japanese government to make any such offer.

Of course, Mac also claimed that the Korean War would be over by Christmas, that the Philippines would never fall, and that China would never dare interfere in Korea.

But I will give him the benefit of the doubt. As soon as those who made these overtures are named, and what gave them the authority to make such offers. Because nowhere in any Japanese records are recorded any such cases of that kind of authority being given to anybody other than their failed attempts at an armistice.

 

[gipper]

MacArthur informed fdr that he had received word of overtures to surrender from Japan. You are calling MacArthur a liar.

Yes, actually I am.

Individuals who are never named, now any kind of authority given anywhere inside the Japanese government to make any such offer.

Of course, Mac also claimed that the Korean War would be over by Christmas, that the Philippines would never fall, and that China would never dare interfere in Korea.

But I will give him the benefit of the doubt. As soon as those who made these overtures are named, and what gave them the authority to make such offers. Because nowhere in any Japanese records are recorded any such cases of that kind of authority being given to anybody other than their failed attempts at an armistice.

Of course the Japanese made several attempts at surrender, but FDR and Truman demanded unconditional surrender terms. So, they chose to ignore them. This prolonged the war and caused hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths. For this the two doofuses should be roundly condemned, but they aren’t.

At any rate, it doesn’t really matter as it relates to the a-bombings. By early August 1945, Japan was done. Their nation was in ruins and their people starving. The had no navy or air force left. Their troops still in the field, had no ability of offensive action. The US had total control of the air and seas surrounding Japan.

Why would Truman incinerate all those defenseless women and children at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, when all he had to do was accept their surrender? I know the answer. Do you?

 

[HenryBHough]

There IS a big problem with nuclear weapons.

They are used far too infrequently than need cries out for.

Well that's insane and psychotic.

So we agree! That nukes haven't been used more often to settle petty disputes indeed IS insane and psychotic! Question is where it should have started: Korea? Iraq? Iran? Afghanistan? Of course there would have been opportunities galore had nukes been invented a little sooner. Imagine, for example, how quickly World War I would have ended!

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

So we agree! That nukes haven't been used more often to settle petty disputes indeed IS insane and psychotic!

Clearly I did not say or imply that, you nauseating little weasel.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

MacArthur informed fdr that he had received word of overtures to surrender from Japan. You are calling MacArthur a liar.

Yes, actually I am.

Individuals who are never named, now any kind of authority given anywhere inside the Japanese government to make any such offer.

Of course, Mac also claimed that the Korean War would be over by Christmas, that the Philippines would never fall, and that China would never dare interfere in Korea.

But I will give him the benefit of the doubt. As soon as those who made these overtures are named, and what gave them the authority to make such offers. Because nowhere in any Japanese records are recorded any such cases of that kind of authority being given to anybody other than their failed attempts at an armistice.

Of course the Japanese made several attempts at surrender, but FDR and Truman demanded unconditional surrender terms. So, they chose to ignore them. This prolonged the war and caused hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths. For this the two doofuses should be roundly condemned, but they aren’t.

At any rate, it doesn’t really matter as it relates to the a-bombings. By early August 1945, Japan was done. Their nation was in ruins and their people starving. The had no navy or air force left. Their troops still in the field, had no ability of offensive action. The US had total control of the air and seas surrounding Japan.

Why would Truman incinerate all those defenseless women and children at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, when all he had to do was accept their surrender? I know the answer. Do you?

And yet you can not answer the question can not link to any such offer can not name what Member of the Big 6 made any such offer.

 

[Unkotare]

... those who made these overtures are named, and what gave them the authority to make such offers. ...

Like Prince Konoye? How about Naotake Sato?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

... those who made these overtures are named, and what gave them the authority to make such offers. ...

Like Prince Konoye? How about Naotake Sato?

Neither of whom had any say in the Government AT ALL. Be specific now and link to what those two offered, be specific and show the actual offer, then explain how they had anything to do with the Government.

 

[theHawk]

75 years since a dark day in human history. Each year there are many ceremonies and visiting dignitaries who gather at the site to memorialize those who died that day, and to resolve to prevent any such actions by anyone in the future. This year, due to the Corona virus, only those remaining survivors and a few government officials were in attendance.

Hiroshima marks 75th A-bomb anniversary, urges unity amid pandemic

Hiroshima marks the 75th anniversary of its atomic bombing by the United States on Thursday, with its mayor urging the world to unite against grave threats to humanity -- be they nuclear weapons or the novel coronavirus pandemic -- by spurning nationalistic and isolationist policies.

english.kyodonews.net

What was “dark” about it? It brought an end to the war the Japanese started. They were even warned to surrender but were too fucking stupid to accept the reality they were losing the war. That’s why it took two nukes.

More people died in the Tokyo firebombings than the two nukes.

 

[theHawk]

WARNING This post contains graphic images that may be disturbing to viewers. Viewer discretion is advised



Sixteen hours after the bombing, the White House released a statement by President Harry S. Truman, who was en route from the Potsdam Conference aboard the U.S.S. Augusta. "It is an atomic bomb," Truman announced, "harnessing . . . the basic power of the universe. The force from which the sun draws its power has been loosed against those who brought war to the Far East."



The immediate public response to news of the Manhattan Project and the atomic bombings of Japan, as filtered through the project's public relations efforts, was overwhelmingly favorable. When asked simply "do you approve of the use of the atomic bomb?", 85 percent of Americans in one August 1945 poll replied "yes." Few doubted that the atomic bomb had ended the war and saved American lives, and after almost four years of war, few retained much sympathy for Japan. The writer Paul Fussell, who as a 21-year-old second lieutenant was slated to be part of the invasion force going into Japan, perhaps has put it most succinctly:

When the bombs dropped and news began to circulate that [the invasion] would not, after all, take place, that we would not be obliged to run up the beaches near Tokyo assault-firing while being mortared and shelled, for all the fake manliness of our facades we cried with relief and joy. We were going to live. We were going to grow up to adulthood after all.

A certain sense of remorse also slowly began to build among the public, especially as details became known of the destruction at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. An important early step in this process was when the entire August 21, 1946, issue of The New Yorker magazine was devoted to stories of the devastation of Hiroshima. (These articles were later reprinted as a book: John Hersey's Hiroshima.)

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That’s nothing compared to all the raping and murdering they did in China and Korea.

 

[theHawk]

MacArthur informed fdr that he had received word of overtures to surrender from Japan. You are calling MacArthur a liar.

Yes, actually I am.

Individuals who are never named, now any kind of authority given anywhere inside the Japanese government to make any such offer.

Of course, Mac also claimed that the Korean War would be over by Christmas, that the Philippines would never fall, and that China would never dare interfere in Korea.

But I will give him the benefit of the doubt. As soon as those who made these overtures are named, and what gave them the authority to make such offers. Because nowhere in any Japanese records are recorded any such cases of that kind of authority being given to anybody other than their failed attempts at an armistice.

Of course the Japanese made several attempts at surrender, but FDR and Truman demanded unconditional surrender terms. So, they chose to ignore them. This prolonged the war and caused hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths. For this the two doofuses should be roundly condemned, but they aren’t.

At any rate, it doesn’t really matter as it relates to the a-bombings. By early August 1945, Japan was done. Their nation was in ruins and their people starving. The had no navy or air force left. Their troops still in the field, had no ability of offensive action. The US had total control of the air and seas surrounding Japan.

Why would Truman incinerate all those defenseless women and children at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, when all he had to do was accept their surrender? I know the answer. Do you?

Bullshit. They did not offer a surrender. At first they didn’t even care about it being a nuclear weapon, it still did the same damage as regular firebomb raids. Tokyo had 200,000 people die by conventional bombs.

Hiroshima was the manufacturing center for the Japanese Empire. Their entire city economy was built to service the war machine Japan had become. Nagasaki their Imperial Navy headquarters. Those “defenseless” women were working in factories helping to build the machines to kill Americans. Their children to be raised to kill Americans. It was war, women and children were killed in every nation involved.

 

[Unkotare]

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What was “dark” about it? ....

Hundreds of thousands of mostly women, children, and the elderly were incinerated in atomic fire. To a normal, moral human being that is a dark day.

 

[Unkotare]

MacArthur informed fdr that he had received word of overtures to surrender from Japan. You are calling MacArthur a liar.

Yes, actually I am.

Individuals who are never named, now any kind of authority given anywhere inside the Japanese government to make any such offer.

Of course, Mac also claimed that the Korean War would be over by Christmas, that the Philippines would never fall, and that China would never dare interfere in Korea.

But I will give him the benefit of the doubt. As soon as those who made these overtures are named, and what gave them the authority to make such offers. Because nowhere in any Japanese records are recorded any such cases of that kind of authority being given to anybody other than their failed attempts at an armistice.

Of course the Japanese made several attempts at surrender, but FDR and Truman demanded unconditional surrender terms. So, they chose to ignore them. This prolonged the war and caused hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths. For this the two doofuses should be roundly condemned, but they aren’t.

At any rate, it doesn’t really matter as it relates to the a-bombings. By early August 1945, Japan was done. Their nation was in ruins and their people starving. The had no navy or air force left. Their troops still in the field, had no ability of offensive action. The US had total control of the air and seas surrounding Japan.

Why would Truman incinerate all those defenseless women and children at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, when all he had to do was accept their surrender? I know the answer. Do you?

Bullshit. They did not offer a surrender. ....

archive.ph

 

[gipper]

MacArthur informed fdr that he had received word of overtures to surrender from Japan. You are calling MacArthur a liar.

Yes, actually I am.

Individuals who are never named, now any kind of authority given anywhere inside the Japanese government to make any such offer.

Of course, Mac also claimed that the Korean War would be over by Christmas, that the Philippines would never fall, and that China would never dare interfere in Korea.

But I will give him the benefit of the doubt. As soon as those who made these overtures are named, and what gave them the authority to make such offers. Because nowhere in any Japanese records are recorded any such cases of that kind of authority being given to anybody other than their failed attempts at an armistice.

Of course the Japanese made several attempts at surrender, but FDR and Truman demanded unconditional surrender terms. So, they chose to ignore them. This prolonged the war and caused hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths. For this the two doofuses should be roundly condemned, but they aren’t.

At any rate, it doesn’t really matter as it relates to the a-bombings. By early August 1945, Japan was done. Their nation was in ruins and their people starving. The had no navy or air force left. Their troops still in the field, had no ability of offensive action. The US had total control of the air and seas surrounding Japan.

Why would Truman incinerate all those defenseless women and children at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, when all he had to do was accept their surrender? I know the answer. Do you?

Bullshit. They did not offer a surrender. At first they didn’t even care about it being a nuclear weapon, it still did the same damage as regular firebomb raids. Tokyo had 200,000 people die by conventional bombs.

Hiroshima was the manufacturing center for the Japanese Empire. Their entire city economy was built to service the war machine Japan had become. Nagasaki their Imperial Navy headquarters. Those “defenseless” women were working in factories helping to build the machines to kill Americans. Their children to be raised to kill Americans. It was war, women and children were killed in every nation involved.

Lol. You have been duped by the lying establishment. They offered to surrender several times.

You really think US bombers would have ignored Hiroshima and Nagasaki all the way up to August, if they were as you say? If so, you’re really dumb.

The rest of your post is absurd. Weren’t women working in factories in the US and our children taught to hate? Oh please try to think rather than accept the corporate media and state bull shit.

 

[Unkotare]

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Hiroshima was the manufacturing center for the Japanese Empire. ....

Manufacturing capacity and the resources to support it were long since decimated by the time of the atomic bombings. Hundreds of thousands of civilians were targeted and killed, and only about 150 soldiers. Oh, and at least a dozen American POWs.

 

[Oz and the Orchestra]

75 years since a dark day in human history. Each year there are many ceremonies and visiting dignitaries who gather at the site to memorialize those who died that day, and to resolve to prevent any such actions by anyone in the future. This year, due to the Corona virus, only those remaining survivors and a few government officials were in attendance.

Hiroshima marks 75th A-bomb anniversary, urges unity amid pandemic

Hiroshima marks the 75th anniversary of its atomic bombing by the United States on Thursday, with its mayor urging the world to unite against grave threats to humanity -- be they nuclear weapons or the novel coronavirus pandemic -- by spurning nationalistic and isolationist policies.

english.kyodonews.net

What was “dark” about it? It brought an end to the war the Japanese started. They were even warned to surrender but were too fucking stupid to accept the reality they were losing the war. That’s why it took two nukes.

More people died in the Tokyo firebombings than the two nukes.

Actually it was the fact that the USSR had declared war on Japan. Routing the Japs in Manchuria and where on the coast ready to invade. Japan knew its only alternative to the removal of the Emperor and a future under communism was to surrender to the Americans. That is all academic now though.

Should America have dropped atomic bombs on civilian targets in Japan? - No!
Should the Nazi's have bombed London?
The British retaliated and bombed Dresden, Cologne, Hamburg?
The Nazi's gassed and murdered 6 million Jews?
The answer of course is no.
All these events happen with a domino effect, when extreme right wing nationalist governments take power, and ignoring international political protocols, decide to wage war on their perceived enemies. The answer to stopping such events in future is to ensure right wing nationalists never come to power.

 

[Mac-7]

No it didn't .
That's an excuse used by you pro-nukers.

Its a fact

the invasion of japan would have killed as many japanese as the bomb did

and hundreds of thousands more Americans would have died

 

[Mac-7]

MacArthur informed fdr that he had received word of overtures to surrender from Japan. You are calling MacArthur a liar.

I am not familiar with that story

but great as he was MacArthur was only one of many high ranking American officers in the Pacific and not the obvious choice to negotiate with

the japanese wanted a peace treaty not a surrender

archive.ph

Right up till the bitter end the japanese military leaders did not understand that total surrender means just that

there could be no peace feelers leading to a negotiated settlement

the US was going to occupy japan no matter what

 

[theHawk]

MacArthur informed fdr that he had received word of overtures to surrender from Japan. You are calling MacArthur a liar.

Yes, actually I am.

Individuals who are never named, now any kind of authority given anywhere inside the Japanese government to make any such offer.

Of course, Mac also claimed that the Korean War would be over by Christmas, that the Philippines would never fall, and that China would never dare interfere in Korea.

But I will give him the benefit of the doubt. As soon as those who made these overtures are named, and what gave them the authority to make such offers. Because nowhere in any Japanese records are recorded any such cases of that kind of authority being given to anybody other than their failed attempts at an armistice.

Of course the Japanese made several attempts at surrender, but FDR and Truman demanded unconditional surrender terms. So, they chose to ignore them. This prolonged the war and caused hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths. For this the two doofuses should be roundly condemned, but they aren’t.

At any rate, it doesn’t really matter as it relates to the a-bombings. By early August 1945, Japan was done. Their nation was in ruins and their people starving. The had no navy or air force left. Their troops still in the field, had no ability of offensive action. The US had total control of the air and seas surrounding Japan.

Why would Truman incinerate all those defenseless women and children at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, when all he had to do was accept their surrender? I know the answer. Do you?

Bullshit. They did not offer a surrender. At first they didn’t even care about it being a nuclear weapon, it still did the same damage as regular firebomb raids. Tokyo had 200,000 people die by conventional bombs.

Hiroshima was the manufacturing center for the Japanese Empire. Their entire city economy was built to service the war machine Japan had become. Nagasaki their Imperial Navy headquarters. Those “defenseless” women were working in factories helping to build the machines to kill Americans. Their children to be raised to kill Americans. It was war, women and children were killed in every nation involved.

Lol. You have been duped by the lying establishment. They offered to surrender several times.

You really think US bombers would have ignored Hiroshima and Nagasaki all the way up to August, if they were as you say? If so, you’re really dumb.

The rest of your post is absurd. Weren’t women working in factories in the US and our children taught to hate? Oh please try to think rather than accept the corporate media and state bull shit.

I don’t accept corporate and state bullshit that twist the facts, you do. I’ve read plenty of books on the subject.