62% of 18-29 Year Olds Have a Favorable View of Socialism

Capitalism is a failure. It failed in 2008. It just hasn't stopped flopping around on the deck yet.

It is a failure for those not willing to put forth the effort to succeed and that spend more time bellyaching about how bad and unfair things are than actually getting off their duffs and doing something. Yeah, for those people, it kind of sucks.
 
97% of the people support some aspect of socialism.

I point out often that the taxpayers bailing out failed business has nothing to do with capitalism but still a large segment of people support it.

Well, maybe if Capitalism weren't such a shit sandwich, young people might have a better opinion of it.

Instead, they watch their parents get the life sucked out of them in soul-crushing jobs, while a few fat cats keep getting richer, and say, "**** that!" And with AI coming for all their jobs, Socialism does sound kind of appealing.

The very fact that NY is electing a socialist shows how really sick of Capitalism some people have gotten.

Now, there's a whole slew of reasons why Socialism doesn't work, I get that. But you really can't look at the status quo of someone building a gilded ballroom while you are cutting off poor people's health care and food stamps.

Every revolution starts with a ruling class that is unable to read the room.

We have so poorly applied capitalism, we have stood by and watched the growth of such grotesque wealth imbalances, we have handed so much power and influence to the top 0.1% of the country, we have bailed out so many uncontrolled financial institutions with publc money, that it's absolutely no surprise whatsoever that many will start seriously looking at other ideas, even something as shitty and hopeless as socialism.

That's not their fault, it's ours.

Republicans LOVE socialism.
Just as long as it's all CORPORATE.

Trump is a big fan too. Government investing in favored businesses is socialism, and BOOMERS love them some social security and medicare.

A lot of young people are in school at 20-26. They can't afford insurance.

So you think the US education system should just tell people "Communism bad, Socialism bad"?

Do you even know what Socialism and Communism are? I bet you don't.

Communism proves that a dictatorship is an inappropriate government for a command economy. Democratic socialism is different from Communism.

Trump believes in it too. He’s seizing the means production, 10% of Intel and 20% of Westinghouse.

Naw, guy, you really can't complain about "Communism" when captialism is turning into such a shit sandwich.

You see, the reason why the GOP made a comeback in the 1950s is because Ike had the good sense to embrace the New Deal Reforms that created the middle class. So we defeated "Communism" by having a little socialism.... kind of like an innoculation.

I'm actually horrified by Mamdani and AOC, but it's not like your side is offering a better alternative as Trump is sending the economy down the drain.

48,000 layoffs at UPS
40,000 layoffs at Amazon
10,000 layoffs at Kroger

It's going to get really bad, really quick.

NO WONDER THEY THINK SO

Millenniums have lived multiple recessions and the end of the American Dream.

Gen Z grew up in covid, a depression, the prospect of never ending debt and being replaced by AI.

Why on earth would they think 21st Century Robber Baron capitalism us goid?

Your link:

"A recent survey by the Cato Institute and YouGov paints a troubling picture: 62 percent of Americans aged 18–29 say they hold a 'favorable view' of socialism, and 34 percent say the same of communism.

"This is shocking given that communism is responsible for 100 million deaths worldwide and is rooted in socialism, the same philosophy that spawned both Mussolini’s fascism and Hitler’s National Socialism.

"To favor socialism is to flirt with tyranny."

Young people and others recognize capitalism doesn't exist without mass murder and eternal debt; socialism offers another way:

"The military-industrial complex has been the USA’s main industry policy under post-war military Keynesianism, as Yanis Varoufakis and others have pointed out..."

"To quote Michael Roberts, 'Keynesianism advocates digging holes and filling them up to create jobs; military Keynesianism advocates digging graves and filling them with bodies to create jobs.'"

Capitalism and Endless War - MR Online

Capitalism is a failure. It failed in 2008. It just hasn't stopped flopping around on the deck yet.

The US does not have capitalism. It has robber baron crony capitalism now. Small businesses are getting as screwed as normal folk.
Pay attention…All the free shit begging socialists in this thread are the same people who support and love their 50 million desperate illegal aliens and all their needy offspring…This isn’t a coincidence, this is all by design. Have you noticed? The more foreigners libs import the louder their cries for free shit become…Why? Because they know they have the support from free shit needing dark people who don’t share our founding principles and values.
We’re seeing the Cloward-Piven strategy being executed masterfully….that’s all. It’s just that simple.
Don’t let the beggars pretend this issue is complex…they just want their free shit and a Robin Hood Father Government.
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Pay attention…All the free shit begging socialists in this thread are the same people who support and love their 50 million desperate illegal aliens and all their needy offspring…This isn’t a coincidence, this is all by design. Have you noticed? The more foreigners libs import the louder their cries for free shit become…Why? Because they know they have the support from free shit needing dark people who don’t share our founding principles and values.
We’re seeing the Cloward-Piven strategy being executed masterfully….that’s all. It’s just that simple.
Don’t let the beggars pretend this issue is complex…they just want their free shit and a Robin Hood Father Government.
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If our resident liberals and supposed Independents are any indication of the mindset of the younger generation, it may be too late to fix. We have full grown adults who have been fully indoctrinated and will never grow out of it.
 
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If our resident liberals and supposed Independents are any indication of the mindset of the younger generation, it may be too late to fix. We have full grown adults who have been fully indoctrinated and will never grow out of it.
All of the foreigner infested blue shitholes have been lost for good…They’ll never again operate like real America did/does…The shitholes aren’t inhabited by core Americans
 
We've been waging a 20 year economic war on Venezuela for picking a form of economy we don't like.
Uh-huh, It's the United States fault that the Venezuelans picked an idiotic centrally planned economic system and thus made the vast majority of its citizenry live in misery, I'm sure that will make the people there feel a lot better.
I doubt we'll do that to New York,
I don't, NYC is about to get the government it deserves AGAIN, on the plus side for Bill DeBlasio, New Yorkers will be looking fondly back at his tenure as "The good ole days when things were just shitty".

but let's see how fast Trump can crash the country before we make something better.
So you're hoping for a "crash" of the country? So we can what? Usher in a flavor of fascism with a "D" behind its name?
 
There it is again. That childish idea that we can support the entire world on our dime, well, my dime, not your dime. You are petulant child.

Who said anything about the entire world?

Sure. I mean, we don’t have intelligent engineers, doctors and lawyers in the South. They are inbred rednecks who went to schools like Duke, Rice, Vanderbilt, Emory, Ga. Tech, etc.

Pretty much.

Hey, there's a reason why if a movie wants to emphasize a character is stupid, they give him a Southern Accent. (And if they want him to look smart, they give him a British Accent.

Why on earth would anyone vote for higher taxes? How exactly is that in our best economic interests? Oh wait, that is only supposed to be for the rich people. But, us Southerners are all inbred rednecks. We don’t have rich, successful people here to pay those taxes for people like you.

Oh, I'm sure you do. You are happy to grovel in front of the Plantation, as long as you are better than the black man. ****, 150 years ago, you all happily caught bullets for these assholes, and you are still proud of that, you know, instead of profoundly embarrassed. At least the Germans have the sense to be embarassed about Hitler.

Yes, indeed, true Christians are moral. Do you have a problem with the 10 commandments or do they not fit the leftist definition of morality?

Well, let's see now. The first four are about groveling in front of the imaginary sky pixie. So I guess six of them are kind of okay.


I don’t know many that have made the claim that Trump is a bastion or morality. Neither was Biden. What we do recognize however is that his policies espouse a morality that we agree with, unlike the Democrats very skewed views.

Have you checked with your fellow Christians, they all think Trump was sent by God.

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We play golf on very nice courses around here. Deliverance was a fictional movie that is far from any reality in my area. Are you dodging bullets from shootouts on your way to dinner every night? There are lots of Chicago mob movies to choose from, many of which are not fictional.

I think it's very telling that you think the height of culture is a golf course.

No you were not a Republican. You don’t just espouse the fiscal policy of Democrats, but also the social policy.

Because I realized Republican Social Policy is how they get working class people to vote for them.

On a macro level, I don't care that much about abortions, or guns, or which bathroom a tranny pees in, or which hole a gay dude sticks his dick in.

But I do see how these social issues are used the right wing to get you vote against your own interests.

I also think that the left has incorrectly ceded Christianity to the right. Jesus would be horrified by the Christian Right if he actually existed.

And your boss was correct. It is a good thing he didn’t have to deal with a union. Unions inflate prices for everybody and create a sense of entitlement.

Yes, how dare working people feel "entitled". We should happily take what scraps the One percenters give us.

Unions built the middle class in this country.
 
Uh-huh, It's the United States fault that the Venezuelans picked an idiotic centrally planned economic system and thus made the vast majority of its citizenry live in misery, I'm sure that will make the people there feel a lot better.

Um, the vast majority were living in misery before Chavez got there. that's how he won.


I don't, NYC is about to get the government it deserves AGAIN, on the plus side for Bill DeBlasio, New Yorkers will be looking fondly back at his tenure as "The good ole days when things were just shitty".

Or Mamdami might actually do a good job.

So you're hoping for a "crash" of the country? So we can what? Usher in a flavor of fascism with a "D" behind its name?

Oh, I am hoping we crash because we abadoned all decency electing Trump, knowing what he is.

The first time, we can be excused, because he lost the electoral vote and we had no idea what a complete shithead he was.

This time. No excuse. We'll get what we deserve, and hopefully some of you will learn a valuable lesson.
 
ay attention…All the free shit begging socialists in this thread are the same people who support and love their 50 million desperate illegal aliens and all their needy offspring
Show your math by providing evidence of "50 million" illegal migrants in the US.

GoogleAI Overview:

" Estimates for the number of undocumented immigrants in the U.S. vary, but a Pew Research Center report estimated there were 14 million as of 2023. Other government and research estimates suggest the number was around 11 million in 2022.

"This number can be difficult to determine precisely due to varying data collection methods and challenges in counting the population."
 
Pretty scary stuff here. Not only do 62% of young people have a favorable view of Socialism, but 34% have a favorable view of Communism. This is just more proof that our education system has gone off the rails. I contend that is due to enemy influence, but that is another discussion.

When will mature, adult Democrats, if there are any left, realize that they need to reign in the far-left of their party to prevent this type of uninformed, ignorant thinking? Are all Democrats so lost in the wilderness that they are unable to see the danger their current party poses to this Republic? The financial hub of our country is getting ready to elect a professed Democratic Socialist, in large part due to the young (and non-native born) population in that city. He will fail miserably. Maybe that will be a walk-up call, but I’m not so sure that will be enough wake people up.

https://www.cato.org/blog/young-americans-socialism-too-much-thats-problem-libertarians-must-fix
Yeah, you kids are kinda driving them too it with the fascism stuff you're doing.
 
Show your math by providing evidence of "50 million" illegal migrants in the US.

GoogleAI Overview:

" Estimates for the number of undocumented immigrants in the U.S. vary, but a Pew Research Center report estimated there were 14 million as of 2023. Other government and research estimates suggest the number was around 11 million in 2022.

"This number can be difficult to determine precisely due to varying data collection methods and challenges in counting the population."

That was before your Crypt Keeper and the kinda black Indian lady let in 12-15 million more parasites.
I’d bet PoliticalChic is closer in her estimate here. https://www.usmessageboard.com/threads/100-million-illegall-invaders-living-here.1130752/
 
Pretty scary stuff here. Not only do 62% of young people have a favorable view of Socialism, but 34% have a favorable view of Communism. This is just more proof that our education system has gone off the rails. I contend that is due to enemy influence, but that is another discussion.

When will mature, adult Democrats, if there are any left, realize that they need to reign in the far-left of their party to prevent this type of uninformed, ignorant thinking? Are all Democrats so lost in the wilderness that they are unable to see the danger their current party poses to this Republic? The financial hub of our country is getting ready to elect a professed Democratic Socialist, in large part due to the young (and non-native born) population in that city. He will fail miserably. Maybe that will be a walk-up call, but I’m not so sure that will be enough wake people up.

https://www.cato.org/blog/young-americans-socialism-too-much-thats-problem-libertarians-must-fix
Socialism appeals to the immature, precisely why Left Wing governments want to reduces voting age.
 
Show your math by providing evidence of "50 million" illegal migrants in the US.

GoogleAI Overview:

" Estimates for the number of undocumented immigrants in the U.S. vary, but a Pew Research Center report estimated there were 14 million as of 2023. Other government and research estimates suggest the number was around 11 million in 2022.

"This number can be difficult to determine precisely due to varying data collection methods and challenges in counting the population."
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That was before your Crypt Keeper and the kinda black Indian lady let in 12-15 million more parasites.
I’d bet PoliticalChic is closer in her estimate here. https://www.usmessageboard.com/threads/100-million-illegall-invaders-living-here.1130752/
Thank you.

I am always prepared to defend my figure of 50-80 million illegals living here, with fake documents, plus the 12 million the Biden ushered in.
 
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Pretty scary stuff here. Not only do 62% of young people have a favorable view of Socialism, but 34% have a favorable view of Communism. This is just more proof that our education system has gone off the rails. I contend that is due to enemy influence, but that is another discussion.

When will mature, adult Democrats, if there are any left, realize that they need to reign in the far-left of their party to prevent this type of uninformed, ignorant thinking? Are all Democrats so lost in the wilderness that they are unable to see the danger their current party poses to this Republic? The financial hub of our country is getting ready to elect a professed Democratic Socialist, in large part due to the young (and non-native born) population in that city. He will fail miserably. Maybe that will be a walk-up call, but I’m not so sure that will be enough wake people up.

https://www.cato.org/blog/young-americans-socialism-too-much-thats-problem-libertarians-must-fix
There is nothing scary about it. You guys don't know what socialism is. And you ignore the authoritarian in office who is actually trying to impose what you believe socialism to be.
 
There is nothing scary about it. You guys don't know what socialism is. And you ignore the authoritarian in office who is actually trying to impose what you believe socialism to be.
hahaha…I love hearing all the different spins as beggars try their asses off to sell socialism. Socialism is exactly what we know it is.
Now tell us, what did the Framers mean when they said “promote the general welfare”?
 
There is nothing scary about it. You guys don't know what socialism is. And you ignore the authoritarian in office who is actually trying to impose what you believe socialism to be.
You know the old joke, a moderate Islamist is simply one with no ammunition.

That's pretty close to the difference between socialists and communists.

In an article on socialism in the Encyclopedia Britannica, Prof. G. D. H. Cole, a leading theoretician and historian of the British Labor Party, declares: The distinction between socialism as distinguished by various Labor and Socialist parties of Europe and the New World, and communism, as represented by the Russians and minority parties in other countries is one of tactics-and-strategy rather than one of objective. Communism is indeed only socialism pursued by revolutionary means and making its revolutionary method a canon of faith...."



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"The aim of socialism is communism" is widely attributed to Vladimir Lenin and accurately reflects his view of socialism as a necessary transitional stage on the path to a fully communist society.
In Marxist-Leninist thought, as adopted by Lenin after the Russian Revolution:
  • Socialism is the first, intermediate phase after the overthrow of capitalism, characterized by state ownership of the means of production, a planned economy, wages, and the existence of a state apparatus (the "dictatorship of the proletariat").
  • Communism is the ultimate, higher stage of society, which is characterized as being a classless, stateless system where the guiding principle of distribution would be "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need".
 
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You know the old joke, a moderate Islamist is simply one with no ammunition.

That's pretty close to the difference between socialists and communists.

In an article on socialism in the Encyclopedia Britannica, Prof. G. D. H. Cole, a leading theoretician and historian of the British Labor Party, declares: The distinction between socialism as distinguished by various Labor and Socialist parties of Europe and the New World, and communism, as represented by the Russians and minority parties in other countries is one of tactics-and-strategy rather than one of objective. Communism is indeed only socialism pursued by revolutionary means and making its revolutionary method a canon of faith...."
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The statement
"The aim of socialism is communism" is widely attributed to Vladimir Lenin and accurately reflects his view of socialism as a necessary transitional stage on the path to a fully communist society.
In Marxist-Leninist thought, as adopted by Lenin after the Russian Revolution:
  • Socialism is the first, intermediate phase after the overthrow of capitalism, characterized by state ownership of the means of production, a planned economy, wages, and the existence of a state apparatus (the "dictatorship of the proletariat").
  • Communism is the ultimate, higher stage of society, which is characterized as being a classless, stateless system where the guiding principle of distribution would be "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need".
The closest approximation to democratic socialism that has really worked is social democracy. I prefer social democracy to the American system of casino capitalism, where the odds favor the house.

I have read the writings of Karl Marx fairly extensively. After college I took a fascinating seminar on Das Kapital that was given by a brilliant member of the American Communist Party. His day job was working as a physicist. When he was not doing his day job and leading the seminar he was translating a book from Russian to Swedish. Yes he was that intelligent.

I believe that Marx had two valid insights and that he was mistaken about everything else. He never advocated the totalitarian methods used in his name during the twentieth century, but he did inspire them, so he is not completely innocent.

I have read some of Vladimir Lenin. I see no value in his writing and thinking.

Communism does not prove that socialism cannot work. It proves that a dictatorship is an inappropriate government for a command economy.
 
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