51 Hours Left to Live

[AllieBaba]

Oops!

I thinks that your post was intended for netherlandsmessageboard.com

Whoops, logical fallacy.

Why are you bringing up euthanasia in Holland?

Why don't we have a discussion about gays being persecuted in the US and cite the new laws in Africa which allows for their execution?

Because we're discussing euthanasia. Not alleged homo persecution.
Carry on with the extraneous bullshit. It makes you look pretty stupid.

 

[AllieBaba]

Unless the guy doing the public deathwatch is homo. In which case, perhaps we could work the persecution angle into a reason he wants to die....

 

[Dr Grump]

No, there isn't, you idiot. I didn't say "Jews went willingly into the ovens knowing they were ovens". I said they went willingly into the ovens.

The fact that they were lied to and coerced is exactly the point I was making. But you are naturally too dim to get it.

That's exactly what you said. You are not only being disingenuous, you are creating a bad analogy with regard to euthenasia...**** en 'ell...got any more long bows you want to draw...

 

[AllieBaba]

No, there isn't, you idiot. I didn't say "Jews went willingly into the ovens knowing they were ovens". I said they went willingly into the ovens.

The fact that they were lied to and coerced is exactly the point I was making. But you are naturally too dim to get it.

That's exactly what you said. You are not only being disingenuous, you are creating a bad analogy with regard to euthenasia...**** en 'ell...got any more long bows you want to draw...

Lol..why don'tcha link me saying they went willingly into ovens knowing they were ovens.

Genius. I'll wait.

 

[Dr Grump]

No, there isn't, you idiot. I didn't say "Jews went willingly into the ovens knowing they were ovens". I said they went willingly into the ovens.

The fact that they were lied to and coerced is exactly the point I was making. But you are naturally too dim to get it.

That's exactly what you said. You are not only being disingenuous, you are creating a bad analogy with regard to euthenasia...**** en 'ell...got any more long bows you want to draw...

Lol..why don'tcha link me saying they went willingly into ovens knowing they were ovens.

Genius. I'll wait.

Are you on crack?

 

[AllieBaba]

That's exactly what you said. You are not only being disingenuous, you are creating a bad analogy with regard to euthenasia...**** en 'ell...got any more long bows you want to draw...

Lol..why don'tcha link me saying they went willingly into ovens knowing they were ovens.

Genius. I'll wait.

Are you on crack?

Ah....no link.

So who was lying again?

 

[Dr Grump]

Lol..why don'tcha link me saying they went willingly into ovens knowing they were ovens.

Genius. I'll wait.

Are you on crack?

Ah....no link.

So who was lying again?

You said they walked willingly to the ovens. They didn't. You cant' walk 'willingly' to something that you don't know exist. BTW, as an aside, it was gas chambers they walked into, not ovens...

 

[AllieBaba]

Yes, they did walk willingly into ovens and I provided the evidence.

I didn't say under what circumstances, and in fact have already pointed out that the fact that they were tricked into it supports my stance that people can be tricked into anything, and agree to anything. Which in turn is why I said that people who are on video saying they want to die means NOTHING. The Jews sent letters saying they were enjoying their vacations. So what?

Again, my point is that the fact that people ask for death is no reason for someone else to kill them. People lie about the circumstance of murder all the time. People kill, torture, and coerce people all the time to get things they want. So whether the Jews were lied to when they went to the ovens or vans, or whether they weren't, it doesn't matter. The fact is, they were murdered.

Likewise people who kill other people under the umbrella of euthanasia or assisted suicide. It doesn't matter if the people ask for it or under what circumstances they ask for it. It's STILL MURDER.

 

[SmarterThanHick]

**** off, you crack whore. You have no idea of what I've had to live through or what I've witnessed.

BTW, everyone can opt to kill themselves at any time. When the state condones it, it's just state sponsored murder. You should look into the egregious abuses that went on in the Netherlands when they decided to embrace eugenics. Er..I mean, euthanasia. Particularly post-birth abortion and non-consensual euthanasia. Not that you would care, I'm sure you have no problem with the slaughter of people who are viewed as a burden to someone..anyone...even themselves...

Once again I find you in a thread spewing this moronic garbage. The usual setup is this: you know nothing of the actual circumstances surrounding a topic, yet give your completely unfounded political or religious opinion anyway, often times comparing the actual situation so something completely irrelevant. In this thread alone, such irrelevancies have included an anecdote of a family member falling into an outhouse, and euthanasia in other areas of the world and eras in history.

The FACT still remains that THIS CASE is one where someone IS DYING of cancer, and is in a tremendous amount of pain. This person has a very poor quality of life with no chance of that changing until his impending death, which is within 6 months, as verified by multiple physicians. He is being given medications which he will take himself, free from anyone else's hand, which by definition precludes it from being murder. The specific drugs are designed to reduce unnecessary end of life pain and stress that might otherwise accompany other forms of suicide.

In summary: you are completely clueless about this issue. Now is a good time to leave the thread.

If it wasn't political, then he could just be quiet and die with the dignity he says he seeks

It is political. Probably the ultimate political statement

Or he's trying to reach out to and connect with people before he dies.

No one wants a progressive disease of any sort, some learn to live their best and die quietly with no fan fare. Those people are heroes

Dying alone and quietly makes someone a hero? REALLY NOW?!

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

**** off, you crack whore. You have no idea of what I've had to live through or what I've witnessed.

That is uncalled for.

 

[AllieBaba]

**** off, you crack whore. You have no idea of what I've had to live through or what I've witnessed.

BTW, everyone can opt to kill themselves at any time. When the state condones it, it's just state sponsored murder. You should look into the egregious abuses that went on in the Netherlands when they decided to embrace eugenics. Er..I mean, euthanasia. Particularly post-birth abortion and non-consensual euthanasia. Not that you would care, I'm sure you have no problem with the slaughter of people who are viewed as a burden to someone..anyone...even themselves...

Once again I find you in a thread spewing this moronic garbage. The usual setup is this: you know nothing of the actual circumstances surrounding a topic, yet give your completely unfounded political or religious opinion anyway, often times comparing the actual situation so something completely irrelevant. In this thread alone, such irrelevancies have included an anecdote of a family member falling into an outhouse, and euthanasia in other areas of the world and eras in history.

The FACT still remains that THIS CASE is one where someone IS DYING of cancer, and is in a tremendous amount of pain. This person has a very poor quality of life with no chance of that changing until his impending death, which is within 6 months, as verified by multiple physicians. He is being given medications which he will take himself, free from anyone else's hand, which by definition precludes it from being murder. The specific drugs are designed to reduce unnecessary end of life pain and stress that might otherwise accompany other forms of suicide.

In summary: you are completely clueless about this issue. Now is a good time to leave the thread.

If it wasn't political, then he could just be quiet and die with the dignity he says he seeks

It is political. Probably the ultimate political statement

Or he's trying to reach out to and connect with people before he dies.

No one wants a progressive disease of any sort, some learn to live their best and die quietly with no fan fare. Those people are heroes

Dying alone and quietly makes someone a hero? REALLY NOW?!

Oh, Hick is here. Now I'm REALLY concerned.

 

[SmarterThanHick]

I see you refuted more well formed points with your usual immaturity.

 

[AllieBaba]

Do you have anything to say? Or are you just trolling?

Never mind, I know.

 

[SmarterThanHick]

Perhaps you missed the post above where I tore apart your ridiculous arguments. It amuses me to watch you fail at skirting the actual issues with these inane accusations of trolling. My points are valid. You can either address them like a big girl, or continue pretending like those facts don't exist as you usually do.

 

[Sheldon]

In summary: you are completely clueless about this issue. Now is a good time to leave the thread.

These feeding patterns have been observed several times, and leads me to conclude that it won't go back under the bridge until it's had its fill.

 

[AllieBaba]

Perhaps you missed the post above where I tore apart your ridiculous arguments. It amuses me to watch you fail at skirting the actual issues with these inane accusations of trolling. My points are valid. You can either address them like a big girl, or continue pretending like those facts don't exist as you usually do.

I didn't see that you tore apart a thing. You threw around some insults and made vague references...

what argument of mine did you decimate, exactly? Maybe it will help if you actually identify it.

 

[SmarterThanHick]

except for that part about me still being correct in everything i've said. not generally the MO of a troll. if you would like to actually engage in the discussion, I'd like to see where you disagree with my valid stance. until that time, insinuation about incorrectly perceived motives is trollish in and of itself.

 

[AllieBaba]

In summary: you are completely clueless about this issue. Now is a good time to leave the thread.

These feeding patterns have been observed several times, and leads me to conclude that it won't go back under the bridge until it's had its fill.

Wow. That reminds me either of Gollum-speak or the killer who dances around with his dick between his legs in Silence of the Lambs.

Either way, very weird.

 

[SmarterThanHick]

Perhaps you missed the post above where I tore apart your ridiculous arguments. It amuses me to watch you fail at skirting the actual issues with these inane accusations of trolling. My points are valid. You can either address them like a big girl, or continue pretending like those facts don't exist as you usually do.

I didn't see that you tore apart a thing. You threw around some insults and made vague references...

what argument of mine did you decimate, exactly? Maybe it will help if you actually identify it.

well, we can start with your poorly formed idea that this was murder by physician

*assisted* suicide is just legalized murder.

 

[AllieBaba]

except for that part about me still being correct in everything i've said. not generally the MO of a troll. if you would like to actually engage in the discussion, I'd like to see where you disagree with my valid stance. until that time, insinuation about incorrectly perceived motives is trollish in and of itself.

You still haven't identified which of my arguments you destroyed, lol.

You do understand that following a person around from thread to thread, claiming victory without ever identifying how you have been victorious, is the definition of trolling...right?

So which of my arguments did you discredit?