50 days grace period? What kind of a sanction is that?

[Luckyone]

Putin will keep right on launching missile strikes as long as he can afford to do so, Lucky. The Russian economy is totally based on the sale of natural gas and oil to other nations. Take away that income and Vlad can't wage war because he doesn't have the MONEY to wage war! Trump understood that in his first term. He kept the price of oil and natural gas low which kept Putin poor. Joe Biden not only told Putin he was OK with a "minor incursion" into Ukraine...his policies drove up the price of oil and natural gas which gave Russia the money to go to war! The war in Ukraine didn't need to happen. It did because we had an idiot in the White House.

Why do you keep throwing this away from Trump and unto Putin or Biden.

Trump is supposed to be stopping this war and yet he is giving Putin all the time he needs to accomplish his goal. He is not actually doing anything to stop the war, other than empty words.

 

[Luckyone]

So we're the country that's provided free military protection to much of the "free world" since WWII but you don't think we're dependable now because we demand that other countries pick up part of the tab for that? The truth, Lucky...is that those other countries have been expecting us to keep giving them free military protection while at the same time they've ginned the system so we're getting screwed on trade deals. So you tell me...who's REALLY greedy?

getting away from the topic. We are turning away from being the pillar of the world and becoming a nation that is only in it for profit.

 

[Luckyone]

It's about a country who is 37 trillion dollars in debt not having to be the world's piggy bank. If you want us to defend you then you have to pay for our products and services, which is why the huge majority of NATO has agreed to pay their fair share and Ukraine (or Europe) has to also pay us for their defense. I already know you and democrats don't give a shit about us being 37 trillion dollars in debt.

You really do not want to face the truth. Here it is:

 

[Independent thinker]

You really do not want to face the truth. Here it is:

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Did you post in the wrong thread? What does this have to do with my post you quoted?

 

[Luckyone]

Did you post in the wrong thread? What does this have to do with my post you quoted?

No, just showing you that it is the Republicans that by nature do not care about debt.

As far as the war itself, a nation should TRY to keep the debt down but not at the COST of allowing Human Rights to be taken away.

Would you be willing to give up YOUR human rights in order for our country to be fiscally sound? That is what you are asking Ukrainians to do.

Hey, when Trump asked Zelensky to give him rare earths to make up for our costs of helping them, Zelensky did not blink and gave it to them. We are the ones doing all the blinking.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

So once again, this is about money, right? If you have it, you succeed and if you do not have it, you are thrown in the trash.

We Are Born in the Dugout, and Those Born on Third Base Make Us Believe We've Been Benched

Depends on how they get it, including being set up where all the opportunities are and commoners are excluded. You are praising with faint damnation by not focusing exclusively on those who were born rich.

You only attack Preppies if they are Republicans. Gore had the same unearned advantages as Bush.

 

[Independent thinker]

No, just showing you that it is the Republicans that by nature do not care about debt.

As far as the war itself, a nation should TRY to keep the debt down but not at the COST of allowing Human Rights to be taken away.

Would you be willing to give up YOUR human rights in order for our country to be fiscally sound? That is what you are asking Ukrainians to do.

Hey, when Trump asked Zelensky to give him rare earths to make up for our costs of helping them, Zelensky did not blink and gave it to them. We are the ones doing all the blinking.

Under both Clinton and Obama, it was REPUBLICANS who forced them to get spending under control. But, like I said, that has nothing to do with our conversation. You just wanted to change the subject.

 

[Man With A Plan]

Why do you keep throwing this away from Trump and unto Putin or Biden.

Trump is supposed to be stopping this war and yet he is giving Putin all the time he needs to accomplish his goal. He is not actually doing anything to stop the war, other than empty words.

Pretty simple concept, Lucky. There were two reasons that Putin didn't invade Ukraine while Trump was in office. The first was that Trump's energy policies kept the price of oil and natural gas so low that the Russian economy was hurting and the second was that Trump never gave him the go ahead that Biden did.

Now Trump needs to make Russia poor again and he's doing that by once again lowering the price of oil and natural gas. At the same time he's threatening to give Ukraine offensive weapons if Putin won't cut a deal. That's EXACTLY the right approach to take on this!

 

[Correll]

Why do you keep throwing this away from Trump and unto Putin or Biden.

Trump is supposed to be stopping this war and yet he is giving Putin all the time he needs to accomplish his goal. He is not actually doing anything to stop the war, other than empty words.

Time is on our side in this. We are sending weapons, while Russia is losing young men they cannot afford to lose.


The longer teh war drags on, the more Russia is dying.

 

[Luckyone]

Pretty simple concept, Lucky. There were two reasons that Putin didn't invade Ukraine while Trump was in office. The first was that Trump's energy policies kept the price of oil and natural gas so low that the Russian economy was hurting and the second was that Trump never gave him the go ahead that Biden did.

Now Trump needs to make Russia poor again and he's doing that by once again lowering the price of oil and natural gas. At the same time he's threatening to give Ukraine offensive weapons if Putin won't cut a deal. That's EXACTLY the right approach to take on this!

You truly are blind to the facts.

First of all, Oil is back up to same price it was when Biden left office, so he has not lowered the price of oil. Second of all, it does not matter whether Putin did not invade Ukraine during his first term. He is in Ukraine now and attacking them worse than ever and Trump has not ben able to do anything about. Third of all, he announces he will impose sanctions in 50 days and Putin immediately launches a massive attack on Ukraine (400 drones missiles) and that means that his threat means nothing to Putin. Fourth and last, Trump could change his mind on sanctions on Russia even if Putin does not back down, given that Trump has been flip-flopping on everything.

You honestly believe this is the RIGHT APPROACH? you are out of your mind.

 

[Nostra]

You really do not want to face the truth. Here it is:

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Hey stupid, you just claimed Clinton lowered the national debt by 4.1%

 

[Man With A Plan]

You truly are blind to the facts.

First of all, Oil is back up to same price it was when Biden left office, so he has not lowered the price of oil. Second of all, it does not matter whether Putin did not invade Ukraine during his first term. He is in Ukraine now and attacking them worse than ever and Trump has not ben able to do anything about. Third of all, he announces he will impose sanctions in 50 days and Putin immediately launches a massive attack on Ukraine (400 drones missiles) and that means that his threat means nothing to Putin. Fourth and last, Trump could change his mind on sanctions on Russia even if Putin does not back down, given that Trump has been flip-flopping on everything.

You honestly believe this is the RIGHT APPROACH? you are out of your mind.

It doesn't "matter" that Putin didn't invade Ukraine during Trump's first term? Really, Lucky? So Biden's policies invite an invasion and now you're criticizing Trump for not cleaning up the mess that Joe Biden created fast enough?

 

[Nostra]

You really do not want to face the truth. Here it is:

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Barry Hussein's avg is 6.91%

Well, that graph didn't paste worth a shit.

U.S. debt by president: dollar and percentage 2026

Of all the U.S. presidents, Barack Obama increased the national debt the most. Donald Trump ranks second due in part to coronavirus relief spending.

www.consumeraffairs.com

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[SmokeALib]

Words won't stop this war.
Bomb Moscow.

 

[Luckyone]

It doesn't "matter" that Putin didn't invade Ukraine during Trump's first term? Really, Lucky? So Biden's policies invite an invasion and now you're criticizing Trump for not cleaning up the mess that Joe Biden created fast enough?

Biden and the Democrats have zero power right now. The past is the past. Trump a lot of things he has not delivered on!

 

[multivita-man]

Trump wanted to end the war in Ukraine. The problem is, he doesn't understand that this war isn't just about Ukraine. Putin's at war with the West over Ukraine's future and the future of Europe. It was the West that expanded its influence up to Russia's doorstep when they were advised by Gorbachev (and others) not to.

Putin views US/Western interests as diametrically opposed to his own. There's room to negotiate and compromise, but we think we're in a position to call all the shots. We're not.

 

[multivita-man]

Why do you keep throwing this away from Trump and unto Putin or Biden.

Trump is supposed to be stopping this war and yet he is giving Putin all the time he needs to accomplish his goal. He is not actually doing anything to stop the war, other than empty words.

I am not a MAGA guy, but this was Biden's and Intel Community Deep State's misadventure. I actually do believe that Trump really does want to end the conflict because he wants to pivot toward Asia to confront China.

Putin wants to end the war on his terms, which goes beyond just winning some territory in Ukraine. He wants to install a puppet government, but beyond that, he wants to disrupt European politics. Trump not only doesn't seem to understand this, but seems to be playing into Putin's hands with his tariff wars and threats to leave NATO high and dry.

 

[multivita-man]

Words won't stop this war.
Bomb Moscow.

I would strongly advise against that.

 

[Correll]

d ....Trump has not ben able to do anything about. ....

Every day the war continues, Russia is bleeding men and money that cannot be replaced.

Saying "trump has not been able to do anything about it", is completely misunderstanding the situation.


Russia is dying.

 

[Luckyone]

I am not a MAGA guy, but this was Biden's and Intel Community Deep State's misadventure. I actually do believe that Trump really does want to end the conflict because he wants to pivot toward Asia to confront China.

Putin wants to end the war on his terms, which goes beyond just winning some territory in Ukraine. He wants to install a puppet government, but beyond that, he wants to disrupt European politics. Trump not only doesn't seem to understand this, but seems to be playing into Putin's hands with his tariff wars and threats to leave NATO high and dry.

Is a 50-day grace period justified after seeing all the facts stated above?