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You cannot draw an analogy between interactions between individuals vrs citizens to government taxation.
Governments have rights of sovereignty, and domain while individuals do not.
Only so long as the government believes it has the power to do whatever it choses.
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You cannot draw an analogy between interactions between individuals vrs citizens to government taxation.
Governments have rights of sovereignty, and domain while individuals do not.
Only so long as the government believes it has the power to do whatever it choses.
*****SMILE*****
And you dont think that the monarchy of Robert the Bruce would have powers of taxation and sovereignty?\
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lol at '$1,300 a month' or so. Friedman's last estimate of what minimum wage should be that I remember seeing, back in the early 2000's, was around $43K per year, substantially more than the $15.6K mentioned here.
I don't consider it humane or wise to promote the SALARIES of jobs and NOT "promote the person"... Those jobs are largely endangered and are NOT CAREERS... Automation is not the killer of jobs.. Lack of knowledge and skills is... Promoting the PERSON breaks the "income gap"... Paying inflated wages for a menial, dead end job does not.
HOW LONG you want UNDERSKILLED people to have to remain in mind-numbing, low skilled jobs paying the same as semi-skilled jobs?? It's a bandaid, not anything close to a solution to "the gap"...
I actually believe that "min wage" should ONLY APPLY to people who are actively enrolled in academics, vocational training or seniors... And if you DID THAT -- MANY companies would find it cheaper and better for public relations to KICK IN subsidies to PUT their unskilled labor into "continuing education" of some kind...
You do realize there are people who are only capable of pushing a broom, cleaning windows, and other menial jobs, because they can't do any truly skilled labor without constant supervision. Math is beyond them, reading and writing is elementary at best, and little to no social skills, limit them to those menial jobs.
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WHY are you comparing the fast food labor to gulags and slave labor? WHY are you determined to make them comfortable in endangered dead end jobs for the rest of their lives? HOW does that "relieve poverty" or "the gap"????
I could take a busload of kids at a burger joint and coach and train them to have REAL careers.. They are not DUMB... They never been motivated to learn... Because our public education system has stigmatized them with increasingly LOWERED EXPECTATIONS.. You have NO RESPECT for these young people... You're tossing money at a problem you have NO IDEA how to solve...
That only works so long as the supervisor/trainer is honest and not threatened by the idea that one of those they're supervising/training might replace them.
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So if we stopped welfare programs and used a universal income instead, we would be able to pay each adult $1302/month, well within existing welfare costs.
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So I guess the President's idea of sending EVERYONE who makes under $75,000/yr a check for $1,000 is off the table? Dang.Tom Cotton Floats Universal Basic Income for Coronavirus Crisis
Sen. Tom Cotton (R-AR) is floating a plan to “get cash into the hands of affected workers and their families” due to national shutdowns of businesses in nearly every industry from the coronavirus outbreak.
In a series of posts online and in a Fox News Channel interview, Cotton said American workers who are being forced to stay home from their jobs due to shutdowns in the midst of the coronavirus crisis need immediate relief in the form of cash payments.
The monetary policy, known as Universal Basic Income (UBI), has made its way into the national spotlight over the last year thanks to businessman Andrew Yang. The policy could mean that American citizens affected by the coronavirus shutdowns would get $1,000 a month in cash.
Cotton suggested using existing social welfare agencies to put “cash in the hands of affected families.”
“We don’t want to see layoffs, we want to see people who are at home, if they have any reason to be at home, supported immediately,” Cotton said.
A lot of dissembling that of course avoids the issue of merely adjusting minimum wage for real inflation, based on the premise that it would make the floor on wages here higher than the wages in Third World totalitarian police states where the factories look like prison block houses, complete with walls topped with barbed wire to keep the 'contract employees from escaping.
What is this? DO YOU think it's humane and wise to INFLATE the wage of the menial dead end job -- RATHER THAN --- inflate the POTENTIAL of that person and REALLY attack poverty and "the gap" at it's roots?????
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lol so poof, suddenly everybody now has a PhD; now what? You think there are jobs for 334 million doctorates?
lol at '$1,300 a month' or so. Friedman's last estimate of what minimum wage should be that I remember seeing, back in the early 2000's, was around $43K per year, substantially more than the $15.6K mentioned here.
I don't consider it humane or wise to promote the SALARIES of jobs and NOT "promote the person"... Those jobs are largely endangered and are NOT CAREERS... Automation is not the killer of jobs.. Lack of knowledge and skills is... Promoting the PERSON breaks the "income gap"... Paying inflated wages for a menial, dead end job does not.
HOW LONG you want UNDERSKILLED people to have to remain in mind-numbing, low skilled jobs paying the same as semi-skilled jobs?? It's a bandaid, not anything close to a solution to "the gap"...
I actually believe that "min wage" should ONLY APPLY to people who are actively enrolled in academics, vocational training or seniors... And if you DID THAT -- MANY companies would find it cheaper and better for public relations to KICK IN subsidies to PUT their unskilled labor into "continuing education" of some kind...
You do realize there are people who are only capable of pushing a broom, cleaning windows, and other menial jobs, because they can't do any truly skilled labor without constant supervision. Math is beyond them, reading and writing is elementary at best, and little to no social skills, limit them to those menial jobs.
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Enhanced skills are NEVER "beyond" anyone.. It's breaking a culture of believing academics and learning is "biased" or "too white" --- (or "yellow")... When you drop out in 10th or 11th grade, you don't KNOW what options are alternatives to "pushing a broom" and you largely DO NOT care...
For those with ACTUAL mental deficits, they MAY be required to work those jobs.. BUT -- they are a very SMALL portion of the "min skilled" labor force.. And the Downs kids working in my grocery store are THRILLED to be contributing at their highest level...
lol at '$1,300 a month' or so. Friedman's last estimate of what minimum wage should be that I remember seeing, back in the early 2000's, was around $43K per year, substantially more than the $15.6K mentioned here.
I don't consider it humane or wise to promote the SALARIES of jobs and NOT "promote the person"... Those jobs are largely endangered and are NOT CAREERS... Automation is not the killer of jobs.. Lack of knowledge and skills is... Promoting the PERSON breaks the "income gap"... Paying inflated wages for a menial, dead end job does not.
HOW LONG you want UNDERSKILLED people to have to remain in mind-numbing, low skilled jobs paying the same as semi-skilled jobs?? It's a bandaid, not anything close to a solution to "the gap"...
I actually believe that "min wage" should ONLY APPLY to people who are actively enrolled in academics, vocational training or seniors... And if you DID THAT -- MANY companies would find it cheaper and better for public relations to KICK IN subsidies to PUT their unskilled labor into "continuing education" of some kind...
You do realize there are people who are only capable of pushing a broom, cleaning windows, and other menial jobs, because they can't do any truly skilled labor without constant supervision. Math is beyond them, reading and writing is elementary at best, and little to no social skills, limit them to those menial jobs.
*****SMILE*****
Enhanced skills are NEVER "beyond" anyone.. It's breaking a culture of believing academics and learning is "biased" or "too white" --- (or "yellow")... When you drop out in 10th or 11th grade, you don't KNOW what options are alternatives to "pushing a broom" and you largely DO NOT care...
For those with ACTUAL mental deficits, they MAY be required to work those jobs.. BUT -- they are a very SMALL portion of the "min skilled" labor force.. And the Downs kids working in my grocery store are THRILLED to be contributing at their highest level...
You cannot draw an analogy between interactions between individuals vrs citizens to government taxation.
Governments have rights of sovereignty, and domain while individuals do not.
WHY are you comparing the fast food labor to gulags and slave labor? WHY are you determined to make them comfortable in endangered dead end jobs for the rest of their lives? HOW does that "relieve poverty" or "the gap"????
I could take a busload of kids at a burger joint and coach and train them to have REAL careers.. They are not DUMB... They never been motivated to learn... Because our public education system has stigmatized them with increasingly LOWERED EXPECTATIONS.. You have NO RESPECT for these young people... You're tossing money at a problem you have NO IDEA how to solve...
That only works so long as the supervisor/trainer is honest and not threatened by the idea that one of those they're supervising/training might replace them.
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Franchises and chains grow... Some of the most successful folks in the country HAD those jobs.. But the MAJORITY of "min wage" workers are and SHOULD BE transient -- and on their way to BETTER things...
I was offered several REALLY inticing jobs while working thru schooling.. One was with Hawaiian Tropic when it was in its infancy... Could have been judging bikini contests and flying a private jet instead of taking Organic Chem and Differential Equations.. I was merely selling sun tan lotion at a large beach resort while lifeguarding.. THAT's how "transient" jobs are supposed to work...
lol at '$1,300 a month' or so. Friedman's last estimate of what minimum wage should be that I remember seeing, back in the early 2000's, was around $43K per year, substantially more than the $15.6K mentioned here.
I don't consider it humane or wise to promote the SALARIES of jobs and NOT "promote the person"... Those jobs are largely endangered and are NOT CAREERS... Automation is not the killer of jobs.. Lack of knowledge and skills is... Promoting the PERSON breaks the "income gap"... Paying inflated wages for a menial, dead end job does not.
HOW LONG you want UNDERSKILLED people to have to remain in mind-numbing, low skilled jobs paying the same as semi-skilled jobs?? It's a bandaid, not anything close to a solution to "the gap"...
I actually believe that "min wage" should ONLY APPLY to people who are actively enrolled in academics, vocational training or seniors... And if you DID THAT -- MANY companies would find it cheaper and better for public relations to KICK IN subsidies to PUT their unskilled labor into "continuing education" of some kind...
You do realize there are people who are only capable of pushing a broom, cleaning windows, and other menial jobs, because they can't do any truly skilled labor without constant supervision. Math is beyond them, reading and writing is elementary at best, and little to no social skills, limit them to those menial jobs.
*****SMILE*****
Enhanced skills are NEVER "beyond" anyone.. It's breaking a culture of believing academics and learning is "biased" or "too white" --- (or "yellow")... When you drop out in 10th or 11th grade, you don't KNOW what options are alternatives to "pushing a broom" and you largely DO NOT care...
For those with ACTUAL mental deficits, they MAY be required to work those jobs.. BUT -- they are a very SMALL portion of the "min skilled" labor force.. And the Downs kids working in my grocery store are THRILLED to be contributing at their highest level...
lol at '$1,300 a month' or so. Friedman's last estimate of what minimum wage should be that I remember seeing, back in the early 2000's, was around $43K per year, substantially more than the $15.6K mentioned here.
I don't consider it humane or wise to promote the SALARIES of jobs and NOT "promote the person"... Those jobs are largely endangered and are NOT CAREERS... Automation is not the killer of jobs.. Lack of knowledge and skills is... Promoting the PERSON breaks the "income gap"... Paying inflated wages for a menial, dead end job does not.
HOW LONG you want UNDERSKILLED people to have to remain in mind-numbing, low skilled jobs paying the same as semi-skilled jobs?? It's a bandaid, not anything close to a solution to "the gap"...
I actually believe that "min wage" should ONLY APPLY to people who are actively enrolled in academics, vocational training or seniors... And if you DID THAT -- MANY companies would find it cheaper and better for public relations to KICK IN subsidies to PUT their unskilled labor into "continuing education" of some kind...
You do realize there are people who are only capable of pushing a broom, cleaning windows, and other menial jobs, because they can't do any truly skilled labor without constant supervision. Math is beyond them, reading and writing is elementary at best, and little to no social skills, limit them to those menial jobs.
*****SMILE*****
Enhanced skills are NEVER "beyond" anyone.. It's breaking a culture of believing academics and learning is "biased" or "too white" --- (or "yellow")... When you drop out in 10th or 11th grade, you don't KNOW what options are alternatives to "pushing a broom" and you largely DO NOT care...
For those with ACTUAL mental deficits, they MAY be required to work those jobs.. BUT -- they are a very SMALL portion of the "min skilled" labor force.. And the Downs kids working in my grocery store are THRILLED to be contributing at their highest level...
You do realize I never gave you a number or percentage. Yes there are those with mental deficits. However there are more than a few incapable of managing their own lives that are on no program like those with mental deficits. Just look at the number of homeless in California.
Then there are the one's who burn out their brains in high school with bad meth and test out with an IQ around 70 who think they deserve a desk job. When they can't even do basic math, spell, read a tape measure, etc, etc, etc,...
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A lot of dissembling that of course avoids the issue of merely adjusting minimum wage for real inflation, based on the premise that it would make the floor on wages here higher than the wages in Third World totalitarian police states where the factories look like prison block houses, complete with walls topped with barbed wire to keep the 'contract employees from escaping.
What is this? DO YOU think it's humane and wise to INFLATE the wage of the menial dead end job -- RATHER THAN --- inflate the POTENTIAL of that person and REALLY attack poverty and "the gap" at it's roots?????
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lol so poof, suddenly everybody now has a PhD; now what? You think there are jobs for 334 million doctorates?
Reducto ad DumDum... A tool chest of skills does not EVEN IMPLY a graduate degree.. It DOES include MORE than a GED... It requires finding things that light FIRES of inspiration for learning under someone.. It's like medical treatment that's targeted to specific DNA... Maybe that fire is becoming a sound editor,
I think you're purposely not caring about the people who are doomed from lack of intellectual curiosity and interest in learning....
But all of these you mentioned are not even IN a min wage situation.. Some should be.. Others never...
Haven't seen any articles or papers on triaging who the homeless are... Probably would be an excellent thing to do.. And it would vary by region.. In Cali for instance a significant percentage are recent immigrants of some kind or other..
But all of these you mentioned are not even IN a min wage situation.. Some should be.. Others never. But regardless, assuring them a living wage is not likely to get even the majority of them off the streets.. They have other fundamental issues that vary all over the map...
I think the 3rd Century is very instructive in this regard.You don't think that Robert the Bruce would still have to answer to the people in some form without resistance?
People will follow a ruler unless they feel they no longer have anything to lose.
During Martial Law and times of Declared Emergency, people lose some of their rights temporarily till the period of crisis is over.You cannot draw an analogy between interactions between individuals vrs citizens to government taxation.
Governments have rights of sovereignty, and domain while individuals do not.
For individuals it's about UNalienable rights and Liberties.. The fact that you voluntarily CEDE a bit of that to govt does NOT damage your personal sovereignty... Ask all those mental patients that the courts RULED were committed without their approvals or by unconstitutional processes for example...
lol that's was your dissembling attempt at avoiding answering my points, I never brought that up, so I think you're purposely not able to refute the facts that few jobs being created require anything beyond 4th grade educations
Are you serious?Whers the option to just stop welfare programs?
During Martial Law and times of Declared Emergency, people lose some of their rights temporarily till the period of crisis is over.You cannot draw an analogy between interactions between individuals vrs citizens to government taxation.
Governments have rights of sovereignty, and domain while individuals do not.
For individuals it's about UNalienable rights and Liberties.. The fact that you voluntarily CEDE a bit of that to govt does NOT damage your personal sovereignty... Ask all those mental patients that the courts RULED were committed without their approvals or by unconstitutional processes for example...
That is simply a FACT, dude.
