3rd Times a Charm? Question: How have GOP/Trump acted "against" Democracy?

[CrusaderFrank]

I've asked this many times on this forum, and no leftist can give an answer.

So be specific. The claim has been made by Democrats, the media, academia, big tech, etc.

How has Trump or Conservatives acted against Democracy?

It was her turn!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Yes, a deflection. Look at the title, genius. Do you see anything about Kamala there? Maybe, just maybe, we can put your stupid deflection of her aside and focus on the topic.

Now that we have that cleared up, let's put your idiotic spin aside and focus on a few of Trump's actions on January 6th. I'll be referring to events in the following link:

A minute-by-minute timeline of Trump's day as the Capitol siege unfolded on Jan. 6

After arguing Trump's actions fueled the Jan. 6 attack, House prosecutors will try to show how he failed to act as the riots grew more dangerous.

www.usatoday.com

2:00 p.m.: As a violent mob breached the Capitol building, Trump accidentally phoned Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, while trying to reach Sen. Tommy Tuberville, R-Alabama. Lee reportedly handed the phone to the Alabama senator, according to CNN and Utah's Deseret News.

Tuberville revealed Thursday night that he spoke to Trump and informed him Pence had been evacuated from the Senate chamber, which happened at about 2:15 p.m., House impeachment managers said.

“I said ‘Mr. President, they just took the vice president out, I’ve got to go,'” Tuberville told Politico on Wednesday.

The president reportedly told Tuberville to continue to object to the election results in order to buy more time, which House prosecutors pointed out in their opening argument. Lee dismissed that account as inaccurate, prompting House impeachment managers to withdraw the comments that were quoted from the news report.

2:24 p.m.: Minutes after it was reported Pence was escorted out of the Senate chamber and Trump reportedly spoke to Tuberville, the president attacks Pence in a tweet.

“Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!”


4:17 p.m.: Hours after the attack unfolded, Trump speaks publicly for the first time in a recorded video message posted on social media.

"I know your pain. I know your hurt. We had an election that was stolen from us. It was a landslide election and everyone knows it, especially the other side. But you have to go home now," Trump said in the minute-long video.

"We have to have peace. We have to have law and order. ... So go home. We love you, you’re very special. ... I know how you feel. But go home and go home in peace.”

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Still with me? Good.

As the violent mob was breaking into the building and secret service was evacuating Pence and his family, Trump was STILL tweeting disparaging remarks about Pence. Do you support those actions from Trump?

Hours after the attack, Trump tells these people that they're very special and that we love them. Do you support these comments from Trump?

Put your bullshit spin and deflections aside and answer these questions.

Weak sauce.

Antifa and the Fed agitators would never listen to Trump

 

[Coyote]

Sorry but FactCheck.org is one of the NON-fact check sites busted for lying and covering for Dems....you might as well just have used CNN...

Sorry, but when you use sources like Red State you your claims are automatically discredited.

 

[Coyote]

I've asked this many times on this forum, and no leftist can give an answer.

I don’t recall you ever asking it.

 

[Coyote]

a form doesnt make us one,,

legally, reality and by definition we are a constitutional republic not a democracy..

so its you trying to sound smart and failed,,

We are both.

 

[dudmuck]

a form doesnt make us one,,

legally, reality and by definition we are a constitutional republic not a democracy..

so its you trying to sound smart and failed,,

The constitution declares the country a popular government, with majority rule and minority rights. Not a pure democracy or direct democracy, but a representative democracy.

Alexander Hamilton wrote
“A representative democracy, where the right of election is well secured and regulated & the exercise of the legislative, executive and judiciary authorities, is vested in select persons, chosen really and not nominally by the people, will in my opinion be most likely to be happy, regular and durable.”

also
Lincoln insisted, “the rule of a minority, as a permanent arrangement, is wholly inadmissible.”

when James Madison was talking about democracy, he was talking about the pure or direct for, which isnt what the founders wanted, but instead a representative layer in between. But as you can see above, that representation is via the will of the majority, but with minority rights included also.

 

[progressive hunter]

Yes, it can be both.



Having a constitution has no bearing on if we are a democracy or not.

yes it does cause its the main reason we are a constitutional republic and not a democracy,,

if you could read you would know that,,

 

[progressive hunter]

We are both.

nope,,

I can see your confusion since you idiots think a man can magically turn into a women,,

 

[Harpy Eagle]

yes it does cause its the main reason we are a constitutional republic and not a democracy,,

if you could read you would know that,,

A constitutional republic is a democracy. How can you be an adult and not know these things?

 

[progressive hunter]

A constitutional republic is a democracy. How can you be an adult and not know these things?

earlier you said it was a form of democracy,, did you lie then or now??

 

[Harpy Eagle]

earlier you said it was a form of democracy,, did you lie then or now??

Yes, and both are correct.

What we are not is a Democracy.

Go get your GED, take an Civics class and learn the difference.

 

[progressive hunter]

Yes, and both are correct.

What we are not is a Democracy.

Go get your GED, take an Civics class and learn the difference.

the accurate description is constitutional republic,, using democracy is just gaslighting to undercut the constitution and try and dilute the minds of useful idiots like you,,

 

[Harpy Eagle]

the accurate description is constitutional republic,, using democracy is just gaslighting to undercut the constitution and try and dilute the minds of useful idiots like you,,

Both are accurate and both have been used to describe our country for the last 245 years. It was not till just recently that people like you thought it made the sound smart to say "we are not a democracy"

 

[progressive hunter]

Both are accurate and both have been used to describe our country for the last 245 years. It was not till just recently that people like you thought it made the sound smart to say "we are not a democracy"

nope,, saying we are a democracy leads one to believe we dont have a constitution,,

 

[Harpy Eagle]

nope,, saying we are a democracy leads one to believe we dont have a constitution,,

Literally nobody but you makes that connection.

There is nothing about being a Democracy that would stop a country from having a constitution.

 

[progressive hunter]

Literally nobody but you makes that connection.

There is nothing about being a Democracy that would stop a country from having a constitution.

when did I say it would stop them??

youre trying to spin the narrative now that your ass has been handed to you,,

why is that??

 

[Clipper]

not sure why the question when we are not a democracy but a constitutional republic,,

If you right wingers ever take control of Congress again you'll rant & rave about what a great Democracy we are.

Stop listening to Joe Pags who's blowing smoke up your ass. I heard his bullshit yesterday about how we're not a Democracy. He should have put that question to Run Off At The Mouth A Mile A minute Jordan yesterday who could barely put together a coherent sentence.

That Dude is fucked up.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

when did I say it would stop them??

youre trying to spin the narrative now that your ass has been handed to you,,

why is that??

If it does not stop it, then why would using the word make people think we do not have one?

You are being dumber than normal.

 

[progressive hunter]

If you right wingers ever take control of Congress again you'll rant & rave about what a great Democracy we are.

Stop listening to Joe Pags who's blowing smoke up your ass. I heard his bullshit yesterday about how we're not a Democracy. He should have put that question to Run Off At The Mouth A Mile A minute Jordan yesterday who could barely put together a coherent sentence.

That Dude is fucked up.

you have me confused with a republican,, and they are left wing not right wing,, just not as far left as democrats,,

 

[progressive hunter]

If it does not stop it, then why would using the word make people think we do not have one?

You are being dumber than normal.

youve never heard of gaslighting??

we already know you guys hate the constitution and is why you hate to bring it up,,