3 young women trying to join ISIS

[irosie91]

Not always the fault of the parents, read a story a while back about a Tunisian family that had a son that joined ISIS. They were middle class, and were well-educated, and despite all attempts he just got more radicalized.

We should stop treating it as just as 'religion' or 'terrorism' issue, and treat it as a mental health issue, as radicals like that shouldn't be out and about with a risk of harming themselves or others.

How governments tolerate radical Islamists out and about on ' religious freedom ' grounds is absurd. If a person walked through the street saying he would kill people (without a religious connotation), they would be given mental health treatment, not just jail.

Insane actions by insane people do not HAPPEN in a vacuum-----delusions and
hallucinations are MEDIATED by ones background. A muslim does not wake up one day and imagine he is Saint Augustine or the Easter bunny. Islamic
MANIA is obviously gonna be MUJAHAD

 

[ChrisL]

Not always the fault of the parents, read a story a while back about a Tunisian family that had a son that joined ISIS. They were middle class, and were well-educated, and despite all attempts he just got more radicalized.

We should stop treating it as just as 'religion' or 'terrorism' issue, and treat it as a mental health issue, as radicals like that shouldn't be out and about with a risk of harming themselves or others.

How governments tolerate radical Islamists out and about on ' religious freedom ' grounds is absurd. If a person walked through the street saying he would kill people (without a religious connotation), they would be given mental health treatment, not just jail.

Insane actions by insane people do not HAPPEN in a vacuum-----delusions and
hallucinations are MEDIATED by ones background. A muslim does not wake up one day and imagine he is Saint Augustine or the Easter bunny. Islamic
MANIA is obviously gonna be MUJAHAD

Well, sometimes people are just insane. However, radicalization occurs and it is not a mental health issue necessarily. If you are born and bred with certain beliefs and are isolated from anyone who has differing beliefs, such as is the case in "tribes" in places like Afghanistan, etc., then that is just normal to you. Just as it was considered a religious ceremony to sacrifice human beings to a lot of ancient humans. They weren't all insane, although we cannot rule that all in all instances.

 

[hipeter924]

Not always the fault of the parents, read a story a while back about a Tunisian family that had a son that joined ISIS. They were middle class, and were well-educated, and despite all attempts he just got more radicalized.

We should stop treating it as just as 'religion' or 'terrorism' issue, and treat it as a mental health issue, as radicals like that shouldn't be out and about with a risk of harming themselves or others.

How governments tolerate radical Islamists out and about on ' religious freedom ' grounds is absurd. If a person walked through the street saying he would kill people (without a religious connotation), they would be given mental health treatment, not just jail.

Insane actions by insane people do not HAPPEN in a vacuum-----delusions and
hallucinations are MEDIATED by ones background. A muslim does not wake up one day and imagine he is Saint Augustine or the Easter bunny. Islamic
MANIA is obviously gonna be MUJAHAD

You don't have to be 'insane' to be mentally ill. There is depression, PTSD and a wide range of other mental illnesses that can result in violence or self-harm. You have to sick in the head regardless, to think ISIS is 'good' and join it.

 

[hipeter924]

Not always the fault of the parents, read a story a while back about a Tunisian family that had a son that joined ISIS. They were middle class, and were well-educated, and despite all attempts he just got more radicalized.

We should stop treating it as just as 'religion' or 'terrorism' issue, and treat it as a mental health issue, as radicals like that shouldn't be out and about with a risk of harming themselves or others.

How governments tolerate radical Islamists out and about on ' religious freedom ' grounds is absurd. If a person walked through the street saying he would kill people (without a religious connotation), they would be given mental health treatment, not just jail.

Insane actions by insane people do not HAPPEN in a vacuum-----delusions and
hallucinations are MEDIATED by ones background. A muslim does not wake up one day and imagine he is Saint Augustine or the Easter bunny. Islamic
MANIA is obviously gonna be MUJAHAD

Well, sometimes people are just insane. However, radicalization occurs and it is not a mental health issue necessarily. If you are born and bred with certain beliefs and are isolated from anyone who has differing beliefs, such as is the case in "tribes" in places like Afghanistan, etc., then that is just normal to you. Just as it was considered a religious ceremony to sacrifice human beings to a lot of ancient humans. They weren't all insane, although we cannot rule that all in all instances.

ISIS is not 'normal' and doesn't even come close to the Taliban, let alone tribal communities and customs.

 

[irosie91]

Not always the fault of the parents, read a story a while back about a Tunisian family that had a son that joined ISIS. They were middle class, and were well-educated, and despite all attempts he just got more radicalized.

We should stop treating it as just as 'religion' or 'terrorism' issue, and treat it as a mental health issue, as radicals like that shouldn't be out and about with a risk of harming themselves or others.

How governments tolerate radical Islamists out and about on ' religious freedom ' grounds is absurd. If a person walked through the street saying he would kill people (without a religious connotation), they would be given mental health treatment, not just jail.

Insane actions by insane people do not HAPPEN in a vacuum-----delusions and
hallucinations are MEDIATED by ones background. A muslim does not wake up one day and imagine he is Saint Augustine or the Easter bunny. Islamic
MANIA is obviously gonna be MUJAHAD

Well, sometimes people are just insane. However, radicalization occurs and it is not a mental health issue necessarily. If you are born and bred with certain beliefs and are isolated from anyone who has differing beliefs, such as is the case in "tribes" in places like Afghanistan, etc., then that is just normal to you. Just as it was considered a religious ceremony to sacrifice human beings to a lot of ancient humans. They weren't all insane, although we cannot rule that all in all instances.

ISIS is not 'normal' and doesn't even come close to the Taliban, let alone tribal communities and customs.

you want to define "normal"? According to the DSM 5----a belief that the restoration of a CALIPHATE is a good thing ------is "normal"

 

[emilynghiem]

Not always the fault of the parents, read a story a while back about a Tunisian family that had a son that joined ISIS. They were middle class, and were well-educated, and despite all attempts he just got more radicalized.

We should stop treating it as just as 'religion' or 'terrorism' issue, and treat it as a mental health issue, as radicals like that shouldn't be out and about with a risk of harming themselves or others.

How governments tolerate radical Islamists out and about on ' religious freedom ' grounds is absurd. If a person walked through the street saying he would kill people (without a religious connotation), they would be given mental health treatment, not just jail.

Insane actions by insane people do not HAPPEN in a vacuum-----delusions and
hallucinations are MEDIATED by ones background. A muslim does not wake up one day and imagine he is Saint Augustine or the Easter bunny. Islamic
MANIA is obviously gonna be MUJAHAD

Well, sometimes people are just insane. However, radicalization occurs and it is not a mental health issue necessarily. If you are born and bred with certain beliefs and are isolated from anyone who has differing beliefs, such as is the case in "tribes" in places like Afghanistan, etc., then that is just normal to you. Just as it was considered a religious ceremony to sacrifice human beings to a lot of ancient humans. They weren't all insane, although we cannot rule that all in all instances.

ISIS is not 'normal' and doesn't even come close to the Taliban, let alone tribal communities and customs.

ChrisL irosie91

I think she means they are already living in a cultlike mentality as their "starting point norm."
No it's not normal to us. But if you live in that culture, where women can't even ask a man what time it is,
then it is easier to propagandize and exploit people in that culture of oppression.

the layer of cult-conditioning is not the same layer where mental insanity occurs.
So the layer of cultural oppression must be removed first,
before you can tell who is sane or insane underneath that mask.

 

[hipeter924]

Not always the fault of the parents, read a story a while back about a Tunisian family that had a son that joined ISIS. They were middle class, and were well-educated, and despite all attempts he just got more radicalized.

We should stop treating it as just as 'religion' or 'terrorism' issue, and treat it as a mental health issue, as radicals like that shouldn't be out and about with a risk of harming themselves or others.

How governments tolerate radical Islamists out and about on ' religious freedom ' grounds is absurd. If a person walked through the street saying he would kill people (without a religious connotation), they would be given mental health treatment, not just jail.

Insane actions by insane people do not HAPPEN in a vacuum-----delusions and
hallucinations are MEDIATED by ones background. A muslim does not wake up one day and imagine he is Saint Augustine or the Easter bunny. Islamic
MANIA is obviously gonna be MUJAHAD

Well, sometimes people are just insane. However, radicalization occurs and it is not a mental health issue necessarily. If you are born and bred with certain beliefs and are isolated from anyone who has differing beliefs, such as is the case in "tribes" in places like Afghanistan, etc., then that is just normal to you. Just as it was considered a religious ceremony to sacrifice human beings to a lot of ancient humans. They weren't all insane, although we cannot rule that all in all instances.

ISIS is not 'normal' and doesn't even come close to the Taliban, let alone tribal communities and customs.

you want to define "normal"? According to the DSM 5----a belief that the restoration of a CALIPHATE is a good thing ------is "normal"

The vast majority of the world's population, and the vast majority of Americans don't want a Caliphate let alone ISIS. Wouldn't call belief in mass genocide and slaughter of infidels for divine favor by any means, 'normal'.

 

[irosie91]

Not always the fault of the parents, read a story a while back about a Tunisian family that had a son that joined ISIS. They were middle class, and were well-educated, and despite all attempts he just got more radicalized.

We should stop treating it as just as 'religion' or 'terrorism' issue, and treat it as a mental health issue, as radicals like that shouldn't be out and about with a risk of harming themselves or others.

How governments tolerate radical Islamists out and about on ' religious freedom ' grounds is absurd. If a person walked through the street saying he would kill people (without a religious connotation), they would be given mental health treatment, not just jail.

Insane actions by insane people do not HAPPEN in a vacuum-----delusions and
hallucinations are MEDIATED by ones background. A muslim does not wake up one day and imagine he is Saint Augustine or the Easter bunny. Islamic
MANIA is obviously gonna be MUJAHAD

Well, sometimes people are just insane. However, radicalization occurs and it is not a mental health issue necessarily. If you are born and bred with certain beliefs and are isolated from anyone who has differing beliefs, such as is the case in "tribes" in places like Afghanistan, etc., then that is just normal to you. Just as it was considered a religious ceremony to sacrifice human beings to a lot of ancient humans. They weren't all insane, although we cannot rule that all in all instances.

ISIS is not 'normal' and doesn't even come close to the Taliban, let alone tribal communities and customs.

ChrisL irosie91

I think she means they are already living in a cultlike mentality as their "starting point norm."
No it's not normal to us. But if you live in that culture, where women can't even ask a man what time it is,
then it is easier to propagandize and exploit people in that culture of oppression.

the layer of cult-conditioning is not the same layer where mental insanity occurs.
So the layer of cultural oppression must be removed first,
before you can tell who is sane or insane underneath that mask.

Emily-----what are you saying? if you imagine that muslim girls in the USA
cannot ask a boy what time it is------you must be living under a rock. I believe
that your concept of oppression of women (which I do not fully deny) is the
BIG PROBLEM of Islamic practice and ideology------you are very confused.

 

[emilynghiem]

Not always the fault of the parents, read a story a while back about a Tunisian family that had a son that joined ISIS. They were middle class, and were well-educated, and despite all attempts he just got more radicalized.

We should stop treating it as just as 'religion' or 'terrorism' issue, and treat it as a mental health issue, as radicals like that shouldn't be out and about with a risk of harming themselves or others.

How governments tolerate radical Islamists out and about on ' religious freedom ' grounds is absurd. If a person walked through the street saying he would kill people (without a religious connotation), they would be given mental health treatment, not just jail.

Insane actions by insane people do not HAPPEN in a vacuum-----delusions and
hallucinations are MEDIATED by ones background. A muslim does not wake up one day and imagine he is Saint Augustine or the Easter bunny. Islamic
MANIA is obviously gonna be MUJAHAD

Well, sometimes people are just insane. However, radicalization occurs and it is not a mental health issue necessarily. If you are born and bred with certain beliefs and are isolated from anyone who has differing beliefs, such as is the case in "tribes" in places like Afghanistan, etc., then that is just normal to you. Just as it was considered a religious ceremony to sacrifice human beings to a lot of ancient humans. They weren't all insane, although we cannot rule that all in all instances.

ISIS is not 'normal' and doesn't even come close to the Taliban, let alone tribal communities and customs.

ChrisL irosie91

I think she means they are already living in a cultlike mentality as their "starting point norm."
No it's not normal to us. But if you live in that culture, where women can't even ask a man what time it is,
then it is easier to propagandize and exploit people in that culture of oppression.

the layer of cult-conditioning is not the same layer where mental insanity occurs.
So the layer of cultural oppression must be removed first,
before you can tell who is sane or insane underneath that mask.

Emily-----what are you saying? if you imagine that muslim girls in the USA
cannot ask a boy what time it is------you must be living under a rock. I believe
that your concept of oppression of women (which I do not fully deny) is the
BIG PROBLEM of Islamic practice and ideology------you are very confused.

I'm talking about in general, and was citing a Pakistani student of mine who got in trouble
for simple things like that.

Now in America, there is still the low self esteem that male manipulators take advantage of.
If you read about how girls get rooked into trafficking, that's how they do it.
And yes this type of trafficking happens in the US.
Hold on I will find the link to someone who got out of that, but explained how she got rooked in.

Here it is LIFE after Trafficking:
Life after human trafficking - Houston Chronicle

A Survivor s Story

 

[irosie91]

Insane actions by insane people do not HAPPEN in a vacuum-----delusions and
hallucinations are MEDIATED by ones background. A muslim does not wake up one day and imagine he is Saint Augustine or the Easter bunny. Islamic
MANIA is obviously gonna be MUJAHAD

Well, sometimes people are just insane. However, radicalization occurs and it is not a mental health issue necessarily. If you are born and bred with certain beliefs and are isolated from anyone who has differing beliefs, such as is the case in "tribes" in places like Afghanistan, etc., then that is just normal to you. Just as it was considered a religious ceremony to sacrifice human beings to a lot of ancient humans. They weren't all insane, although we cannot rule that all in all instances.

ISIS is not 'normal' and doesn't even come close to the Taliban, let alone tribal communities and customs.

ChrisL irosie91

I think she means they are already living in a cultlike mentality as their "starting point norm."
No it's not normal to us. But if you live in that culture, where women can't even ask a man what time it is,
then it is easier to propagandize and exploit people in that culture of oppression.

the layer of cult-conditioning is not the same layer where mental insanity occurs.
So the layer of cultural oppression must be removed first,
before you can tell who is sane or insane underneath that mask.

Emily-----what are you saying? if you imagine that muslim girls in the USA
cannot ask a boy what time it is------you must be living under a rock. I believe
that your concept of oppression of women (which I do not fully deny) is the
BIG PROBLEM of Islamic practice and ideology------you are very confused.

I'm talking about in general, and was citing a Pakistani student of mine who got in trouble
for simple things like that.

Now in America, there is still the low self esteem that male manipulators take advantage of.
If you read about how girls get rooked into trafficking, that's how they do it.
And yes this type of trafficking happens in the US.
Hold on I will find the link to someone who got out of that, but explained how she got rooked in.

Here it is LIFE after Trafficking:
Life after human trafficking - Houston Chronicle

A Survivor s Story

Oh----Pakistani-----yes-----a few Pakistani parents might get all bent out of shape if
their daughter converses with boys-------but only a few and of all muslims in
the USA-------Pakistanis----are Pakistanis. I doubt that you will ever encounter
this problem with Egyptians or Syrians or Iranians in the USA.

 

[irosie91]

Not always the fault of the parents, read a story a while back about a Tunisian family that had a son that joined ISIS. They were middle class, and were well-educated, and despite all attempts he just got more radicalized.

We should stop treating it as just as 'religion' or 'terrorism' issue, and treat it as a mental health issue, as radicals like that shouldn't be out and about with a risk of harming themselves or others.

How governments tolerate radical Islamists out and about on ' religious freedom ' grounds is absurd. If a person walked through the street saying he would kill people (without a religious connotation), they would be given mental health treatment, not just jail.

Insane actions by insane people do not HAPPEN in a vacuum-----delusions and
hallucinations are MEDIATED by ones background. A muslim does not wake up one day and imagine he is Saint Augustine or the Easter bunny. Islamic
MANIA is obviously gonna be MUJAHAD

Well, sometimes people are just insane. However, radicalization occurs and it is not a mental health issue necessarily. If you are born and bred with certain beliefs and are isolated from anyone who has differing beliefs, such as is the case in "tribes" in places like Afghanistan, etc., then that is just normal to you. Just as it was considered a religious ceremony to sacrifice human beings to a lot of ancient humans. They weren't all insane, although we cannot rule that all in all instances.

ISIS is not 'normal' and doesn't even come close to the Taliban, let alone tribal communities and customs.

you want to define "normal"? According to the DSM 5----a belief that the restoration of a CALIPHATE is a good thing ------is "normal"

The vast majority of the world's population, and the vast majority of Americans don't want a Caliphate let alone ISIS. Wouldn't call belief in mass genocide and slaughter of infidels for divine favor by any means, 'normal'.

whom are you talking about?? The FACT is that CALIPHATE---is the only
legitimate sort of system that is allowed in classical Islamic society. I assure you,
the MAJORITY of muslims in the world see a CALIPHATE as an ideal situation. -------of course not necessarily ISIS-----since the sectarian issues that exist within
the Islamic world get in the way of that one. Caliphate is prescribed in the
Koran. The age of "caliphates" is considered by muslims to be something
like a GOLDEN AGE--------most muslims (that includes lots of educated muslims
and-------the majority of the rest. It is no coincidence that ISIS decided to
set up in Iraq. Baghdad was-----back then the CULTURAL CENTER of the
"ISLAMIC WORLD"-------it was a golden age in the minds of muslims----as
was ANDALUS ------the moghul empire was another golden age thing. You would be amazed to know just how nuts educated muslims are about this issue.
And how broad based is this perverted belief

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Girls didnt have English names

Stunner.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

500 people attended the Danish terrorists funeral....... all "moderates" no doubt

Moderateness is relative. A moderate Muslim is still a lot more hardcore than a moderate Jew or Christian. If you're running around in Syria fighting, you might be described as a moderate Muslim but everywhere else you're an extremist. If a Christian's doing that, they're an extremist Christian, not a moderate Christian.

You are speculating based on total ignorance of the situation. You know nothing about moderate Muslims. Nothing.

I agree with Delta that a moderate Muslim is still more hardcore than a moderate Jew or Christian. The problem is that Islam lends itself to brutality because Islam is the creation of a war lord and is inherently violent.

Nut Job Christians like Westboro and those idiots who blow up abortion clinics, have no excuse and should go back and read the words of Jesus. There is nowhere in the NT where it says that everyone would have to follow Christianity until you get to the second coming at which point Jesus himself would put things in order. There is no place in the NT where Jesus held up hateful signs against gays and soldiers or blew buildings up.

The Jews seem to understand that what was appropriate 5000 years ago may not be appropriate today. They also understand that not everyone has to follow Jewish law,only Jews.

Muslims seem to think that everyone should follow Islam, Sharia law and should convert or die whether they want to or not.

I spent nearly 8 years of my life living in Muslim countries, working closely with Muslim people, having them as friends, neighbors, colleagues and clients. Not one person EVER suggested I live by Sharia law or thought I should 'convert or die.' In fact, all of those countries had Christian churches for Christians to attend. Not one person in the nearly 8 years I lived & worked in Muslim countries, and I dealt with hundreds of people, thought I needed to follow Islam. You are, plain and simple, very, very ignorant.

Why did you come back ?

 

[ChrisL]

Not always the fault of the parents, read a story a while back about a Tunisian family that had a son that joined ISIS. They were middle class, and were well-educated, and despite all attempts he just got more radicalized.

We should stop treating it as just as 'religion' or 'terrorism' issue, and treat it as a mental health issue, as radicals like that shouldn't be out and about with a risk of harming themselves or others.

How governments tolerate radical Islamists out and about on ' religious freedom ' grounds is absurd. If a person walked through the street saying he would kill people (without a religious connotation), they would be given mental health treatment, not just jail.

Insane actions by insane people do not HAPPEN in a vacuum-----delusions and
hallucinations are MEDIATED by ones background. A muslim does not wake up one day and imagine he is Saint Augustine or the Easter bunny. Islamic
MANIA is obviously gonna be MUJAHAD

Well, sometimes people are just insane. However, radicalization occurs and it is not a mental health issue necessarily. If you are born and bred with certain beliefs and are isolated from anyone who has differing beliefs, such as is the case in "tribes" in places like Afghanistan, etc., then that is just normal to you. Just as it was considered a religious ceremony to sacrifice human beings to a lot of ancient humans. They weren't all insane, although we cannot rule that all in all instances.

ISIS is not 'normal' and doesn't even come close to the Taliban, let alone tribal communities and customs.

It is to those who believe in that stuff. They are NOT all insane.

 

[ChrisL]

Not always the fault of the parents, read a story a while back about a Tunisian family that had a son that joined ISIS. They were middle class, and were well-educated, and despite all attempts he just got more radicalized.

We should stop treating it as just as 'religion' or 'terrorism' issue, and treat it as a mental health issue, as radicals like that shouldn't be out and about with a risk of harming themselves or others.

How governments tolerate radical Islamists out and about on ' religious freedom ' grounds is absurd. If a person walked through the street saying he would kill people (without a religious connotation), they would be given mental health treatment, not just jail.

Insane actions by insane people do not HAPPEN in a vacuum-----delusions and
hallucinations are MEDIATED by ones background. A muslim does not wake up one day and imagine he is Saint Augustine or the Easter bunny. Islamic
MANIA is obviously gonna be MUJAHAD

Well, sometimes people are just insane. However, radicalization occurs and it is not a mental health issue necessarily. If you are born and bred with certain beliefs and are isolated from anyone who has differing beliefs, such as is the case in "tribes" in places like Afghanistan, etc., then that is just normal to you. Just as it was considered a religious ceremony to sacrifice human beings to a lot of ancient humans. They weren't all insane, although we cannot rule that all in all instances.

ISIS is not 'normal' and doesn't even come close to the Taliban, let alone tribal communities and customs.

ChrisL irosie91

I think she means they are already living in a cultlike mentality as their "starting point norm."
No it's not normal to us. But if you live in that culture, where women can't even ask a man what time it is,
then it is easier to propagandize and exploit people in that culture of oppression.

the layer of cult-conditioning is not the same layer where mental insanity occurs.
So the layer of cultural oppression must be removed first,
before you can tell who is sane or insane underneath that mask.

Exactly. Back in Victorian days, a woman was considered "loose" if she had too much skin exposed, kind of like the Muslims of today. That was not oppressive to them back then. It was just part of life, as is the burqa for a lot of Muslims.

 

[ChrisL]

Not always the fault of the parents, read a story a while back about a Tunisian family that had a son that joined ISIS. They were middle class, and were well-educated, and despite all attempts he just got more radicalized.

We should stop treating it as just as 'religion' or 'terrorism' issue, and treat it as a mental health issue, as radicals like that shouldn't be out and about with a risk of harming themselves or others.

How governments tolerate radical Islamists out and about on ' religious freedom ' grounds is absurd. If a person walked through the street saying he would kill people (without a religious connotation), they would be given mental health treatment, not just jail.

Insane actions by insane people do not HAPPEN in a vacuum-----delusions and
hallucinations are MEDIATED by ones background. A muslim does not wake up one day and imagine he is Saint Augustine or the Easter bunny. Islamic
MANIA is obviously gonna be MUJAHAD

You don't have to be 'insane' to be mentally ill. There is depression, PTSD and a wide range of other mental illnesses that can result in violence or self-harm. You have to sick in the head regardless, to think ISIS is 'good' and join it.

There are plenty of terrorist sympathizers. This isn't all that surprising. They are picking on the most impressionable and easy to fool . . . kids. Kids who are really not mature yet but are too mature to be under the parents supervision 24/7. However. . . one has to wonder about the parental involvement in radicalization and/or the lack of parental involvement (neglect). There is probably an underlying "family" problem at home with these girls. Who is to say they aren't abused at home? Maybe they think they will be loved and respected and actually have something to call a "cause" for their lives. Teenagers are ******* stupid.

 

[Rozman]

Good for them....
I'm sure they are in for a good time.