2025 Deficit comes in at 1.97 Trillion. This Is Way Out of Hand

[JoeB131]

True, stupid but true. SS should have been 60/40 in the stock market vs bonds instead of 100% low-interest bonds.

Uh, guy, that would be a recipe for disaster. If the government became a major shareholder in the Fortune 500, you don't think they'd use that to influence corporate policy in idealogical ways..

Whoops, the Democrats are back in! Better start up that DEI department again!

True. SS has been "fixed" several times already, and needs to be fixed again.
The scarier problem now is the declining birth rate, and family formation which looks bad for the long term.
It may mean individual IRAs from birth invested 60/40 in the stock market via the SSA.

Easy way to fix it.

Make the rich pay their fair share.
Up the retirement age to 70
Allow a sensible rate of immigration to bring in more contributors legally and above the table.

Problem solved.

 

[kyzr]

Uh, guy, that would be a recipe for disaster. If the government became a major shareholder in the Fortune 500, you don't think they'd use that to influence corporate policy in ideological ways..

Not if the funds had to be invested only in "index funds". (not actively managed as you suggest)

Whoops, the Democrats are back in! Better start up that DEI department again!

wut?

Easy way to fix SS. Make the rich pay their fair share.

Raise or remove the cap. Agreed.

Up the retirement age to 70

Full retirement is 70 now, raise the early retirement age to 65 matching SS.

Allow a sensible rate of immigration to bring in more contributors legally and above the table. Problem solved.

Nope. We have no clue what will happen to the labor pool after AI evolves, and after self-driving vehicles becomes mature.

 

[Dragonlady]

My sources aren’t rightwing, January 2025, inflation 3.0%, August 2025 2.9%

Current U.S. Inflation Rates: 2000-2026

The annual inflation rate in the United States was 2.4% for the 12 months ending January, down from 2.7% previously, according to U.S. Labor Department data released February 13, 2026. The next update is scheduled for March 11 at 8:30 a.m. ET and will cover the 12 months ending February. Below...

www.usinflationcalculator.com

https://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/updates/2025/08/05/trade-deficit-shrinks-june-2025

Idiot!

So you’re using right wing commentators who spin and twist the numbers to look better than they are.

Or make phony comparisons as per his inflation numbers.

My sources aren’t rightwing, January 2025, inflation 3.0%, August 2025 2.9%

Current U.S. Inflation Rates: 2000-2026

The annual inflation rate in the United States was 2.4% for the 12 months ending January, down from 2.7% previously, according to U.S. Labor Department data released February 13, 2026. The next update is scheduled for March 11 at 8:30 a.m. ET and will cover the 12 months ending February. Below...

www.usinflationcalculator.com

https://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/updates/2025/08/05/trade-deficit-shrinks-june-2025

Idiot!

Anything calling itself “Advisor perspectives.com” is selling their OPINIONS based on their reading of the numbers. It reminds me of the old saying “Figures never lie, but liars often figure”.

Comparing the numbers from August 2024 with the numbers from August 2025 is one of the ways they lie to you. The inflation rate continued to decline to 2.1 in January of 2025 when Trump was sworn in.

Since Trump has been if office the inflation rate has slowly increased - in spite of the Fed continuing to keep rates high. Now it’s back up to 2.9% even as job creation continues to decline.

Job creation, which was driving the Biden economy, slowed to a crawl under Trump, and is now in negative numbers.

The unemployment rate has held steady because all of those fired federal workers are still being paid by the government. Watch what happens when their compensation period runs out.

When you read someone else’s opinion of what the numbers mean remember, they’re just trying to sell you something.

 

[Papageorgio]

So you’re using right wing commentators who spin and twist the numbers to look better than they are.

Or make phony comparisons as per his inflation numbers.

Anything calling itself “Advisor perspectives.com” is selling their OPINIONS based on their reading of the numbers. It reminds me of the old saying “Figures never lie, but liars often figure”.

Comparing the numbers from August 2024 with the numbers from August 2025 is one of the ways they lie to you. The inflation rate continued to decline to 2.1 in January of 2025 when Trump was sworn in.

Since Trump has been if office the inflation rate has slowly increased - in spite of the Fed continuing to keep rates high. Now it’s back up to 2.9% even as job creation continues to decline.

Job creation, which was driving the Biden economy, slowed to a crawl under Trump, and is now in negative numbers.

The unemployment rate has held steady because all of those fired federal workers are still being paid by the government. Watch what happens when their compensation period runs out.

When you read someone else’s opinion of what the numbers mean remember, they’re just trying to sell you something.

Bullshit the numbers are accurate, if you don’t like it, then whine to your PM I am sure he won’t give a shit about your stupid mindless opinion either.

 

[HikerGuy83]

More moronic ramblings from you.

Just give us a date when Trump becomes responsible. You’re not scared to do so are you, Shirley?

It's pretty simple.

October 1, 2025 is the start of Fiscal 2025/2026. This belongs to Trump.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Trump has to change course.

And kick congress in their collective balls (if they have any) to get their attention.

Slash and burn. It's time.

Or we don't recover.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Someone is going to have to pay that money back at some point.

You mean like Social Security?

 

[HikerGuy83]

Revised numbers coming in per treasury

Fiscal Data Explains the National Deficit

Check out @FiscalService Fiscal Data’s new national deficit page! #NationalDeficit

fiscaldata.treasury.gov

So this is 200,000,000,000 less (200 billion....what a mind blower) than in my title.

Would like to know what led to the adjustments.

 

[HikerGuy83]

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/10/16/us-budget-deficit-lower-in-2025-tariffs-debt-payments-both-at-records.html?msockid=14514fd6c89968f302cc59edc96c69b2

Sounds like tariff revenue helped lower things which would have been much higher due to interest rates.

Donald Trump wins again.

Said another way: the projected Biden deficit for this year was higher than last year. That projection got worse and interest rates are killing us. Trump managed to actually bring it down about 50,000,000,000 from last year due to his tariffs.

Wow.....great job.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Federal budget deficit grows $92B to nearly $2T even as Trump tariffs increase revenue

The CBO said the federal deficit hit $2 trillion in the first 11 months of FY2025, driven by higher Social Security and Medicare costs as well as interest expenses despite tariffs.

www.foxbusiness.com

This was put out on September 12.

This is where I got my initial number.

Watch the video. This is form the Committee for whatever blah blah blah.....which is seen as a left leaning group. And she is saying that Tariffs are helping. The woman talking does call out the GOP (and rightly so) for not cutting spending......

 

[HikerGuy83]

Preliminary October 2025 numbers.

Investing.com -- The U.S. federal government recorded a deficit of $219 billion in October 2025, representing a $39 billion reduction from the shortfall recorded in the same month last year, according to Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimates.

The improved deficit position resulted from revenue growth outpacing spending increases. Federal revenues reached $75 billion above October 2024 levels, primarily driven by higher collections of individual income and payroll taxes, along with increased customs duties.

While federal outlays increased by $37 billion compared to last October, the timing of certain payments affected this figure. Some payments that would normally occur on November 1 were shifted to October because November 1 fell on a Saturday. Without these timing shifts, outlays would have actually decreased by $70 billion compared to last year, and the deficit reduction would have been $145 billion rather than $39 billion.

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Now that second bolded section is interesting and we should keep that in mind.

This is just one month.

Annualizing this means little since there are some months where things are wildly different due to specfic circumstances.

 

[EMH]

And kick congress in their collective balls (if they have any) to get their attention.

Slash and burn. It's time.

Or we don't recover.

and get the DOJ to finally prosecute CO2 FRAUD, which is over half of our national debt now.

 

[Nostra]

And rising, because of Trump's hyperinflationary policies.

We are flirting with stagflation, which is no bueno.

And all of it is from unforced errors.

2025 budget is Biden’s, stupid.

Inflation is down under Trump.

 

[task0778]

2025 Deficit comes in at 1.97 Trillion. This Is Way Out of Hand​

One wonders how long it will be until the public wakes up and realizes they're in deep fiscal shit. The politicians don't care because the voters don't care, and until they do the debt and deficits are going to continue to grow out of control.

 

[AntonToo]

Preliminary October 2025 numbers.

Investing.com -- The U.S. federal government recorded a deficit of $219 billion in October 2025, representing a $39 billion reduction from the shortfall recorded in the same month last year, according to Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimates.

The improved deficit position resulted from revenue growth outpacing spending increases. Federal revenues reached $75 billion above October 2024 levels, primarily driven by higher collections of individual income and payroll taxes, along with increased customs duties.

While federal outlays increased by $37 billion compared to last October, the timing of certain payments affected this figure. Some payments that would normally occur on November 1 were shifted to October because November 1 fell on a Saturday. Without these timing shifts, outlays would have actually decreased by $70 billion compared to last year, and the deficit reduction would have been $145 billion rather than $39 billion.

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Now that second bolded section is interesting and we should keep that in mind.

This is just one month.

Annualizing this means little since there are some months where things are wildly different due to specfic circumstances.

What is there to keep in mind when you yourself admit that one month's balance doesn't mean much of anything?


Here is what needs to be kept in mind - Trump's tarriff schemes are likely to be ruled illegal by the Supreme Court and gov would then have to pay back about $120 billion that were illicitly collected.

 

[HikerGuy83]

What is there to keep in mind when you yourself admit that one month's balance doesn't mean much of anything?

Totally agree.

I started a new thread to track this fiscal year and said the same thing.

Here is what needs to be kept in mind - Trump's tarriffs schemes are likely to be called illegal by the Supreme Court and gov would then have to pay back about $120 billion that were illicitly collected.

We'll see.

But, if you look at the link I provided in my other thread, the woman speaking says the right thing.

The GOP is NOT cutting SPENDING.

Neither, of course, are the dems....but I expect that.

 

[JWBooth]

 

[Edgetho]

Raw numbers are irrelevant. Percentages are what matters. If your House Payment is $2k a Month and you make $3k, you be in deep shit. If your Income is $10k you're in High Cotton.

See if you can detect when a scumbag dimocrap piece of filth is in office as opposed to when a Republican is --

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Well.....this is great news.

The 2025 deficit was 1.97 trillion. Total revenue was 4.69 trillion which means our deficit was 42% of total revenue and 29.5% of total spending.

I don't have an actual figure, but you can count on 1 trillion of spending on debt servicing alone. 1 FREAKING TRILLION.

In 2024 the deficit was 1.83 trillion.

AND NOBODY CARES (in government).

This is beyond reprehensible.

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Total debt is 37.3 trillion. We'll be over 40 before Trump leaves.

We are selling our kids down the river.

Here's are our 2 political parties

Does it matter whose driving?

Wakey wakey time!

 

[CrazyTrader55]

Well.....this is great news.

The 2025 deficit was 1.97 trillion. Total revenue was 4.69 trillion which means our deficit was 42% of total revenue and 29.5% of total spending.

I don't have an actual figure, but you can count on 1 trillion of spending on debt servicing alone. 1 FREAKING TRILLION.

In 2024 the deficit was 1.83 trillion.

AND NOBODY CARES (in government).

This is beyond reprehensible.

Your Guide to America’s Finances

Check out @FiscalService Fiscal Data’s new guide to America’s finances! #FiscalData

fiscaldata.treasury.gov

Total debt is 37.3 trillion. We'll be over 40 before Trump leaves.

We are selling our kids down the river.

But liberals told me that money grows on trees, and if you don't believe that, you're a racist, and it's all Trump's fault in any case.