2012 NBA Playoffs

[sealybobo]

Kobe's not reverting. He's a mid range shooter that rarely gets to the hoop any more. He doesn't have the legs any more.

His fans still speak of him as if hes still the same player from 2006-2007.

Kobe fans, Heat fans; generally all those fairweather wankers are morons. Basletball fans in general aren't that smart.

It was the same thing back in the day with Jordan jockers. Now you have an entire generation that believes the corporate illusion that Jordan was the undisputed greatest ever and nothing could be further from the truth.

Jordan took the championships away from the Pistons, Celtics and Lakers. Three Dynastys ended by Mike. Maybe we think he is great because after all those great teams we saw Jordan virtually do it by himself. He was no doubt a one man show. Pippen was the straight man in that comedy bit. Or maybe he just benefitted from the 3 beating the hell out of each other for a decade. Then he slipped in and won 3, took a break and won three more. I rooted against him every time but looking back, man was he great.

And the only reason the Houston Rockets won 2 is because MJ took a break. That's the way I remember it. And Kobe's story doesn't even come close. But the greatest would have to be Russell because he has 11 championships. How dare us not put him in the running, huh?

Here are some of the people on the 50 greatest list that I don't know anything about. Some I've never even heard their names before. Are they any good?

Cunningham, Billy
Greer, Hal
Jones, Sam
Lucas, Jerry
Pettit, Bob
Reed, Willis
Sharman, Bill
Thurmond, Nate
Unseld, Wes
Dolph Schayes

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

His fans still speak of him as if hes still the same player from 2006-2007.

Kobe fans, Heat fans; generally all those fairweather wankers are morons. Basletball fans in general aren't that smart.

It was the same thing back in the day with Jordan jockers. Now you have an entire generation that believes the corporate illusion that Jordan was the undisputed greatest ever and nothing could be further from the truth.

Jordan took the championships away from the Pistons, Celtics and Lakers. Three Dynastys ended by Mike.

Age and injury ended the C's, Piston, Lakers dynasties. All those teams you mentioned owned Jordan before that point.

The Lakers were done by 91. They just had a great run and upset the Blazers and others to even make it to the finals. And like I said, Bird was competing with Jordan even with a bad back. In 91, the C's were still 26-5 when Bird and McHale both played together.

 

[High_Gravity]

Kobe's not reverting. He's a mid range shooter that rarely gets to the hoop any more. He doesn't have the legs any more.

His fans still speak of him as if hes still the same player from 2006-2007.

Well he did almost win the scoring title this year. Could have if he wanted to. Pretty good for an old man. Jordan came back and sucked as an old man. Washington Bullets. Remember that? I gave him a pass though. That didn't taint his image imo. I still think Jordan is the greatest. He's one of the people I would love to meet. Obama, The Rock, Jordan, James Taylor, Clinton of course, Chris Farley, Will Farrell, Howard Stern. Women Beyonce, Lady Gaga, Rianna & Serena Williams.

Jordan wasn't that bad when he was in Washington, he definently wasn't his old self but he did average 20 PPG, and I remember one game where he totally shut Vince Carter down when Vince was in his prime.

 

[High_Gravity]

Not if they had to play a Harden, Durant and Westbrook at their peak. We haven't even seen it yet. The year Piece, Allen and Garnett won was their peak. Its over.

KG at his peak was much more of an all around player than Durant. Durant's just a shooter. Allen was a team leader that could get teams to the playoffs, Harden would not be if he was "the man." And Pierce could get to the rim way more than Westbrook ever could. He's too fragile.

OKC is a fun watch, but let's keep in perspective. They aren't as great as putting pretty much any three elite players in their prime together.

I say OK is the future of the NBA and Durant is going to eventually be put in the top 50 players of all time.

Are you watching him beat up on Kobe? Its reminding me of Tyson vs. Holmes or Tyson vs. Spinks. Time for the old generation to move on. I hope Durant beats LeBron 5 out of 6 times in the next 6 years. Lebron can have one ring.

Lebron does not deserve to ever win a championship.

 

[High_Gravity]

Jordan in his prime would chase Kobe and Lebron out of the gym today though, that much is true.

If they played HORSE, Kobe couldn't win because he only knows Jordan's moves so Jordan wouldn't ever miss a shot and Lebron would beat both of them until the E and then he would choke.

There are frankly a lot of players that would beat Jordan or Kobe in a game of horse. Bird, Allen or Miller would probably beat both of them in 10 shots or less.

Lebron James lost a game of horse to a janitor at Venice Beach, there are people from the streets who could beat NBA Players in Horse.

 

[High_Gravity]

That Celtics/Sixers game last night made me sick, the Celtics seemed to have no interest in that game until the last 2 minutes, now Philadelphia has all the confidence in the world and they have fresher legs, more athleticism, no injuries, younger and they seem to take some really lucky shots that go in, Sixers are winning this series in 6 games.

 

[sealybobo]

If they played HORSE, Kobe couldn't win because he only knows Jordan's moves so Jordan wouldn't ever miss a shot and Lebron would beat both of them until the E and then he would choke.

There are frankly a lot of players that would beat Jordan or Kobe in a game of horse. Bird, Allen or Miller would probably beat both of them in 10 shots or less.

Lebron James lost a game of horse to a janitor at Venice Beach, there are people from the streets who could beat NBA Players in Horse.

Horse was just supposed to be a funny analogy. Because Kobe tried to copy every Jordan move, even down to sticking the tongue out. And Lebron is great until the end of the game. I didn't mean Horse literally.

So no one knows these players? Must be old school.

Cunningham, Billy
Greer, Hal
Jones, Sam
Lucas, Jerry
Pettit, Bob
Reed, Willis
Sharman, Bill
Thurmond, Nate
Unseld, Wes
Dolph Schayes

Are any of these guys better than Jordan or Bird? If not, then I think we have it narrowed down to Jordan, is the best, then Kobe/Magic, then Bird.

And Wilt, Shaq, Kareem, Russell, Olajuwon for centers.

 

[sealybobo]

His fans still speak of him as if hes still the same player from 2006-2007.

Well he did almost win the scoring title this year. Could have if he wanted to. Pretty good for an old man. Jordan came back and sucked as an old man. Washington Bullets. Remember that? I gave him a pass though. That didn't taint his image imo. I still think Jordan is the greatest. He's one of the people I would love to meet. Obama, The Rock, Jordan, James Taylor, Clinton of course, Chris Farley, Will Farrell, Howard Stern. Women Beyonce, Lady Gaga, Rianna & Serena Williams.

Jordan wasn't that bad when he was in Washington, he definently wasn't his old self but he did average 20 PPG, and I remember one game where he totally shut Vince Carter down when Vince was in his prime.

I think him and Rip almost made the playoffs too.

Who's the best Guard of all time?

Archibald, Bing, Cousey, Frazer, Gervin, Maravich, Stockton, Thomas?

And how do Paul, Kidd, Rondo and Nash compare? Don't forget Jeremy Lin in your reply.

 

[High_Gravity]

There are frankly a lot of players that would beat Jordan or Kobe in a game of horse. Bird, Allen or Miller would probably beat both of them in 10 shots or less.

Lebron James lost a game of horse to a janitor at Venice Beach, there are people from the streets who could beat NBA Players in Horse.

Horse was just supposed to be a funny analogy. Because Kobe tried to copy every Jordan move, even down to sticking the tongue out. And Lebron is great until the end of the game. I didn't mean Horse literally.

So no one knows these players? Must be old school.

Cunningham, Billy
Greer, Hal
Jones, Sam
Lucas, Jerry
Pettit, Bob
Reed, Willis
Sharman, Bill
Thurmond, Nate
Unseld, Wes
Dolph Schayes

Are any of these guys better than Jordan or Bird? If not, then I think we have it narrowed down to Jordan, is the best, then Kobe/Magic, then Bird.

And Wilt, Shaq, Kareem, Russell, Olajuwon for centers.

Oh I know Kobe tried to imitate Jordan's every mannerism, from the chewing gum to trying to have a fantastic playoff game while being "sick" just like Jordan did against the Jazz back in the 1998 Finals.

 

[High_Gravity]

Well he did almost win the scoring title this year. Could have if he wanted to. Pretty good for an old man. Jordan came back and sucked as an old man. Washington Bullets. Remember that? I gave him a pass though. That didn't taint his image imo. I still think Jordan is the greatest. He's one of the people I would love to meet. Obama, The Rock, Jordan, James Taylor, Clinton of course, Chris Farley, Will Farrell, Howard Stern. Women Beyonce, Lady Gaga, Rianna & Serena Williams.

Jordan wasn't that bad when he was in Washington, he definently wasn't his old self but he did average 20 PPG, and I remember one game where he totally shut Vince Carter down when Vince was in his prime.

I think him and Rip almost made the playoffs too.

Who's the best Guard of all time?

Archibald, Bing, Cousey, Frazer, Gervin, Maravich, Stockton, Thomas?

And how do Paul, Kidd, Rondo and Nash compare? Don't forget Jeremy Lin in your reply.

Michael Jordan is the best shooting guard, not sure about the point, so many to choose from.

 

[skipper]

Jordan wasn't that bad when he was in Washington, he definently wasn't his old self but he did average 20 PPG, and I remember one game where he totally shut Vince Carter down when Vince was in his prime.

I think him and Rip almost made the playoffs too.

Who's the best Guard of all time?

Archibald, Bing, Cousey, Frazer, Gervin, Maravich, Stockton, Thomas?

And how do Paul, Kidd, Rondo and Nash compare? Don't forget Jeremy Lin in your reply.

Michael Jordan is the best shooting guard, not sure about the point, so many to choose from.

Kobe's career isn't over yet. When it is all said and done, he has no chance of ever being the best? Just asking.

 

[High_Gravity]

I think him and Rip almost made the playoffs too.

Who's the best Guard of all time?

Archibald, Bing, Cousey, Frazer, Gervin, Maravich, Stockton, Thomas?

And how do Paul, Kidd, Rondo and Nash compare? Don't forget Jeremy Lin in your reply.

Michael Jordan is the best shooting guard, not sure about the point, so many to choose from.

Kobe's career isn't over yet. When it is all said and done, he has no chance of ever being the best? Just asking.

In my opinion no, I have never seen anyone take over games like MJ has. For Kobe to catch Jordan right now he would have to win a Defensive Player of the year, another championship and another MVP.

 

[Article 15]

I think him and Rip almost made the playoffs too.

Who's the best Guard of all time?

Archibald, Bing, Cousey, Frazer, Gervin, Maravich, Stockton, Thomas?

And how do Paul, Kidd, Rondo and Nash compare? Don't forget Jeremy Lin in your reply.

Michael Jordan is the best shooting guard, not sure about the point, so many to choose from.

Kobe's career isn't over yet. When it is all said and done, he has no chance of ever being the best? Just asking.

Yup. Pretty much.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Michael Jordan is the best shooting guard, not sure about the point, so many to choose from.

Kobe's career isn't over yet. When it is all said and done, he has no chance of ever being the best? Just asking.

In my opinion no, I have never seen anyone take over games like MJ has. For Kobe to catch Jordan right now he would have to win a Defensive Player of the year, another championship and another MVP.

It doesn't just come down to a bunch of accolades. We've already seen what both players are capable of in their prime and Jordan is ahead of Kobe and frankly there are a whole slew of players in between Jordan and Kobe. Stop taking the media's stupid argument and pretending it matters.

 

[sealybobo]

I think him and Rip almost made the playoffs too.

Who's the best Guard of all time?

Archibald, Bing, Cousey, Frazer, Gervin, Maravich, Stockton, Thomas?

And how do Paul, Kidd, Rondo and Nash compare? Don't forget Jeremy Lin in your reply.

Michael Jordan is the best shooting guard, not sure about the point, so many to choose from.

Kobe's career isn't over yet. When it is all said and done, he has no chance of ever being the best? Just asking.

Based on everything I've seen? Not a chance. He'd have to rip off 2 more championships and then you may have an argument, but still we will probably disagree. If you weren't old enough to see Jordan, its a shame. The only one that was Jordan before Jordan was Dr. J. A highlight real. Athletic like Jordan, but not a 6 time champ. One word to describe Jordan. Winner. Now Kobe has the rings, but what did it take? Shaq? One of the greatest centers of all time? And it took them years to figure it out. So Kobe just isn't as impressive as Jordan was. But damn close. No shame in Kobe's game. And I give him props for doing it without Shaq. I'm definately a fan.

 

[sealybobo]

Kobe's career isn't over yet. When it is all said and done, he has no chance of ever being the best? Just asking.

In my opinion no, I have never seen anyone take over games like MJ has. For Kobe to catch Jordan right now he would have to win a Defensive Player of the year, another championship and another MVP.

It doesn't just come down to a bunch of accolades. We've already seen what both players are capable of in their prime and Jordan is ahead of Kobe and frankly there are a whole slew of players in between Jordan and Kobe. Stop taking the media's stupid argument and pretending it matters.

I'm going to have to agree. Bird would have worked over Kobe. Magic Johnson certainly. I think even the Isaih Pistons would have beat Kobe. How did Kobe and Shaq manage to lose to the Pistons in 2004? With those two players healthy? Jordan would have wiped the Piston's asses.

And who did Kobe and Shaq beat? One year I remember it was Allen Iverson. BFD.

 

[sealybobo]

I think him and Rip almost made the playoffs too.

Who's the best Guard of all time?

Archibald, Bing, Cousey, Frazer, Gervin, Maravich, Stockton, Thomas?

And how do Paul, Kidd, Rondo and Nash compare? Don't forget Jeremy Lin in your reply.

Michael Jordan is the best shooting guard, not sure about the point, so many to choose from.

Kobe's career isn't over yet. When it is all said and done, he has no chance of ever being the best? Just asking.

Lets look at who Kobe beat. Indiana Pacers. Lame. And Shaq was the MVP.

Then 76's. Little Alan Iverson. Mr. PRACTICE? Again, Shaq was named MVP.

Then the NJ Nets? Are you kidding me? Jason Kidd with no one else? BFD. Again, Shaq was MVP.

See the difference between him and Jordan?

Kobe was MVP in his next two championships though. With Gasol and Bynum and Lamar Odom and Ron Artest. 4 Big Men instead of Shaq.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

I'm now convinced that the championship is going to be the Thunder vs. Spurs. The real championship will just be a formality.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Wow. Wade just hit a player like a safety in football. It was only called a flagrant one (when it should have been a flagrant two). - Same thing as last year when he body slammed Rondo and broke his elbow. NBA is a joke. They won't upgrade it to flagrant two and suspend him.

 

[High_Gravity]

Wow. Wade just hit a player like a safety in football. It was only called a flagrant one (when it should have been a flagrant two). - Same thing as last year when he body slammed Rondo and broke his elbow. NBA is a joke. They won't upgrade it to flagrant two and suspend him.

Wade gets away with whatever he wants, if Rondo was the one who slammed Wade on the ground and broke his elbow you can bet Rondo would be suspended for 6 months and have criminal charges pressed against him as well.