2012 NBA Playoffs

[sealybobo]

While most fans applauded the Celtics pairing and them winning a title .. I sense that most don't applaud the Miami pairing .. possibly because of the way LeBron did it.

I like the New York pairing of Carmelo, Amare, and Tyson .. but if Howard, Dirk, and Williams get together in Dallas, they could be formidable for several years.

OKC has homegrown stars, but if they add a strong forward like Josh Smith to that mix, they could be very tough to beat .. which is good for the smaller market teams.

People don't like Wade - He's a whiny flopper and a dirty player (breaking Rondo's arm; taking no responsibility).
People don't like James - B/C he has not guts and work ethic and he's the epitome of narcissism.
People don't like Bosh - He's soft and he wasn't even getting his Raptors into the playoffs. I don't think people want to hear about Soft Bosh being part of a "Big Three." But it's not all Bosh's fault. Of the three, he's easily the most likeable.

Yea, I read a New York Post article that called Amare, Tyson and Melo; New York's Big Three and I just laughed. I was squeamish when they called KG, Allen and Pierce the Big Three. I thought it was a bit disrespectful of the original BIG THREE, Bird, McHale and Parish (The greatest front line ever).

But I laughed b/c if I was NY, I couldn't ship out Amare and Carmelo fast enough. Chandler is their anchor on defense and then Lin is their motor on offense. NY management needs to stop pandering for ticket sales and jersey sales and just put a winner on the court and start the process of building a dynasty.

If New York ships out Melo and Amare the Knicks will be the same situation they were when Isiah Thomas was in the front office, the Knicks have 2 all stars now they should sit back and see what happens.

Do what Joe Dumars did with the Pistons and the Bulls did for Jordan. Get a bunch of roleplayers that compliment the stars. Tall, defensive, big bodies.

What about New Jersey, Detroit and all the other scrub teams? Is there a great draft pick or two coming up that can make any of these teams contenders? I hope Joe is rebuilding quickly. Or, maybe he's not making a move now because there is nothing he can put together that is going to compete with OK or Miami.

Like the Knicks. Good for them trying to win by going out and getting Melo and Stoudamire, but that aint gonna ever win. Reminds me of the Ewing Knicks.

 

[sealybobo]

I can't believe the Clippers beat the Grizzlies, if I were a betting man I would have put my money on Memphis to finish them in 5 or 6 games.

Me too. I think Memphis underestimated LA.

That game one meltdown really came back to haunt them.

Is Rudy Gay really that good? He didn't show me much. Not a fan, yet.

 

[High_Gravity]

People don't like Wade - He's a whiny flopper and a dirty player (breaking Rondo's arm; taking no responsibility).
People don't like James - B/C he has not guts and work ethic and he's the epitome of narcissism.
People don't like Bosh - He's soft and he wasn't even getting his Raptors into the playoffs. I don't think people want to hear about Soft Bosh being part of a "Big Three." But it's not all Bosh's fault. Of the three, he's easily the most likeable.

Yea, I read a New York Post article that called Amare, Tyson and Melo; New York's Big Three and I just laughed. I was squeamish when they called KG, Allen and Pierce the Big Three. I thought it was a bit disrespectful of the original BIG THREE, Bird, McHale and Parish (The greatest front line ever).

But I laughed b/c if I was NY, I couldn't ship out Amare and Carmelo fast enough. Chandler is their anchor on defense and then Lin is their motor on offense. NY management needs to stop pandering for ticket sales and jersey sales and just put a winner on the court and start the process of building a dynasty.

If New York ships out Melo and Amare the Knicks will be the same situation they were when Isiah Thomas was in the front office, the Knicks have 2 all stars now they should sit back and see what happens.

Do what Joe Dumars did with the Pistons and the Bulls did for Jordan. Get a bunch of roleplayers that compliment the stars. Tall, defensive, big bodies.

What about New Jersey, Detroit and all the other scrub teams? Is there a great draft pick or two coming up that can make any of these teams contenders? I hope Joe is rebuilding quickly. Or, maybe he's not making a move now because there is nothing he can put together that is going to compete with OK or Miami.

Like the Knicks. Good for them trying to win by going out and getting Melo and Stoudamire, but that aint gonna ever win. Reminds me of the Ewing Knicks.

The drafts have been pretty slim lately, maybe 1 or 2 players ready to come out and play like all stars and everyone else needs to be developed, like Javal McGee and Demarcus Cousins, alot of potential but not quite ready to put a franchise on their shoulders, it took Andrew Bynums YEARS to get where he is now for example. I don't know what Detroit is doing but they overpaid greatly to sign Charlie Villanueva and Ben Gordon.

 

[High_Gravity]

I can't believe the Clippers beat the Grizzlies, if I were a betting man I would have put my money on Memphis to finish them in 5 or 6 games.

Me too. I think Memphis underestimated LA.

That game one meltdown really came back to haunt them.

Is Rudy Gay really that good? He didn't show me much. Not a fan, yet.

He is a All Star caliber guy, he dropped 21 points last night, this loss is hardly his fault.

 

[sealybobo]

Yup, what a shame, Memphis is a team that could have given teams like the Thunder and Lakers some serious shit.

Marc Gasol looked gassed that whole game to me.

Marc did good he dropped 21 points I believe, it was Zach Randolph who didn't show up.

I think he will always be an underachiever. I thought he would be great back in the day. Didn't he play with Stoudamire once? Maybe with the Suns? Steve Nash too? Am I mistaken?

 

[High_Gravity]

I can't believe the Clippers beat the Grizzlies, if I were a betting man I would have put my money on Memphis to finish them in 5 or 6 games.

That's how good Chris Paul is. Until now I didn't take that team seriously. I thought they were just a slam dunkin highlight reel team but no more.

Blake needs to work on his offense.

Too bad Chauncey broke down. They'd be much better with him and Paul playing together.

P.S. Joakeem Noah is one ugly ************ when his hair starts coming out of that bun. I don't know what made me think about that, but just sayin.

Yeah Chris Paul is for real, he changed the whole series when he brought the Clippers back from the 20+ point deficit in game 1, he should have been MVP this year imo.

 

[sealybobo]

If New York ships out Melo and Amare the Knicks will be the same situation they were when Isiah Thomas was in the front office, the Knicks have 2 all stars now they should sit back and see what happens.

Do what Joe Dumars did with the Pistons and the Bulls did for Jordan. Get a bunch of roleplayers that compliment the stars. Tall, defensive, big bodies.

What about New Jersey, Detroit and all the other scrub teams? Is there a great draft pick or two coming up that can make any of these teams contenders? I hope Joe is rebuilding quickly. Or, maybe he's not making a move now because there is nothing he can put together that is going to compete with OK or Miami.

Like the Knicks. Good for them trying to win by going out and getting Melo and Stoudamire, but that aint gonna ever win. Reminds me of the Ewing Knicks.

The drafts have been pretty slim lately, maybe 1 or 2 players ready to come out and play like all stars and everyone else needs to be developed, like Javal McGee and Demarcus Cousins, alot of potential but not quite ready to put a franchise on their shoulders, it took Andrew Bynums YEARS to get where he is now for example. I don't know what Detroit is doing but they overpaid greatly to sign Charlie Villanueva and Ben Gordon.

Detroit shouldn't be paying any player on that team more than league minimum. For what? Are they beating Lebron? How about NY? How about the Bulls? Do we beat them? Why pay more than minimum for losing? Trade anyone who's worth trading. Prince? Get rid of him. Worth too much. And he may help another team win. Why punish him? Ben Gordon and Villanueva suck!

I'm hoping Joe D knows what he is doing. My only hope is that Greg Monroe is going to turn out to be a great player, and he is young and in time we will build around him.

If I told you in 2003 that I was putting Rip Hamilton, Chauncey, Prince, and the 2 Wallaces on a team and they would win a championship, you would have said I was crazy. No one gave them a chance against the Lakers. They won it in 5. Should have been 4. I don't second guess Joe, except for his Darko pick.

I freakin can't wait to see who wins it all this year!

 

[High_Gravity]

Do what Joe Dumars did with the Pistons and the Bulls did for Jordan. Get a bunch of roleplayers that compliment the stars. Tall, defensive, big bodies.

What about New Jersey, Detroit and all the other scrub teams? Is there a great draft pick or two coming up that can make any of these teams contenders? I hope Joe is rebuilding quickly. Or, maybe he's not making a move now because there is nothing he can put together that is going to compete with OK or Miami.

Like the Knicks. Good for them trying to win by going out and getting Melo and Stoudamire, but that aint gonna ever win. Reminds me of the Ewing Knicks.

The drafts have been pretty slim lately, maybe 1 or 2 players ready to come out and play like all stars and everyone else needs to be developed, like Javal McGee and Demarcus Cousins, alot of potential but not quite ready to put a franchise on their shoulders, it took Andrew Bynums YEARS to get where he is now for example. I don't know what Detroit is doing but they overpaid greatly to sign Charlie Villanueva and Ben Gordon.

Detroit shouldn't be paying any player on that team more than league minimum. For what? Are they beating Lebron? How about NY? How about the Bulls? Do we beat them? Why pay more than minimum for losing? Trade anyone who's worth trading. Prince? Get rid of him. Worth too much. And he may help another team win. Why punish him? Ben Gordon and Villanueva suck!

I'm hoping Joe D knows what he is doing. My only hope is that Greg Monroe is going to turn out to be a great player, and he is young and in time we will build around him.

If I told you in 2003 that I was putting Rip Hamilton, Chauncey, Prince, and the 2 Wallaces on a team and they would win a championship, you would have said I was crazy. No one gave them a chance against the Lakers. They won it in 5. Should have been 4. I don't second guess Joe, except for his Darko pick.

I freakin can't wait to see who wins it all this year!

Detroit is basically in rebuilding mode, they got mostly young players along with Tayshaun Prince, Rodney Stuckey and Greg Monroe. I don't know what Joe Dumars is doing, he basically sent the Pistons into the sewer ever since he traded for Allen Iverson back in the 08/09 season.

 

[sealybobo]

I can't believe the Clippers beat the Grizzlies, if I were a betting man I would have put my money on Memphis to finish them in 5 or 6 games.

Me too. I think Memphis underestimated LA.

That game one meltdown really came back to haunt them.

Yup, what a shame, Memphis is a team that could have given teams like the Thunder and Lakers some serious shit.

They would have had to get past the Spurs first.

And the Lakers have no answer for Westbrook, Harden and Durant. But OK has Serge Ibaka and Perkins to deal with Gasol and Bynum.

Spurs vs. Oklahoma for the Western Conference Finals. I just hope OK is ready to beat the Spurs.

I do have that right, correct? Its OK vs. Lakers and Spurs get the Clippers?

 

[sealybobo]

The drafts have been pretty slim lately, maybe 1 or 2 players ready to come out and play like all stars and everyone else needs to be developed, like Javal McGee and Demarcus Cousins, alot of potential but not quite ready to put a franchise on their shoulders, it took Andrew Bynums YEARS to get where he is now for example. I don't know what Detroit is doing but they overpaid greatly to sign Charlie Villanueva and Ben Gordon.

Detroit shouldn't be paying any player on that team more than league minimum. For what? Are they beating Lebron? How about NY? How about the Bulls? Do we beat them? Why pay more than minimum for losing? Trade anyone who's worth trading. Prince? Get rid of him. Worth too much. And he may help another team win. Why punish him? Ben Gordon and Villanueva suck!

I'm hoping Joe D knows what he is doing. My only hope is that Greg Monroe is going to turn out to be a great player, and he is young and in time we will build around him.

If I told you in 2003 that I was putting Rip Hamilton, Chauncey, Prince, and the 2 Wallaces on a team and they would win a championship, you would have said I was crazy. No one gave them a chance against the Lakers. They won it in 5. Should have been 4. I don't second guess Joe, except for his Darko pick.

I freakin can't wait to see who wins it all this year!

Detroit is basically in rebuilding mode, they got mostly young players along with Tayshaun Prince, Rodney Stuckey and Greg Monroe. I don't know what Joe Dumars is doing, he basically sent the Pistons into the sewer ever since he traded for Allen Iverson back in the 08/09 season.

I remember the local sports radio shows were debating should Joe blow up the Pistons and rebuild or ride out the sheed, prince, chauncey, big ben and rip team. We knew it wasn't going to win another championship, but at least we would have made the playoffs and competed for a couple/few more years. Its ok. We will be back. Detroit Sports rock! I just hope the Tigers get it together soon. Where's the offense Fielder? And we may win our first Superbowl this year.

 

[High_Gravity]

Me too. I think Memphis underestimated LA.

That game one meltdown really came back to haunt them.

Yup, what a shame, Memphis is a team that could have given teams like the Thunder and Lakers some serious shit.

They would have had to get past the Spurs first.

And the Lakers have no answer for Westbrook, Harden and Durant. But OK has Serge Ibaka and Perkins to deal with Gasol and Bynum.

Spurs vs. Oklahoma for the Western Conference Finals. I just hope OK is ready to beat the Spurs.

I do have that right, correct? Its OK vs. Lakers and Spurs get the Clippers?

It looks like a Spurs v.s OKC conference finals right now but I wouldn't throw out the Clippers just yet, I thought they had no chance against Memphis and they proved me wrong, San Antonio needs to NOT take this team lightly.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

If Rondo had pulled that Cobra Kai move on Wade with the same result he would have been suspended for 10 games.

KG gets called the "dirtiest player in the league".

I've never seen KG do anything like that to a player.

If Rondo broke Wade's arm he would have been led out of the arena in hand cuffs and suspended for 6 months without pay.

If Miami beats Indy and we advance, Wade will take a shot at Bradley's shoulder. Book it.

I believe this is "politics." Someone neg this troll by his own f'ing retarded standard. I have to wait.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

I wouldn't put a prime LBJ, Wade, Bosh on a prime KG, Pierce and Allens level. They're better defenders, better rebounders and better shooters. Remember too that the C's Big Three were already in their 30's and they went out and got it done whereas the Heat's so-called Big Three were/are in their prime.

KG along with Duncan were probably the two best players in the league not too many years ago.

Ray Allen is arguably the best shooter in history and he has always been well conditioned. I believe he never eats junk food.

And Pierce was always a great player flying a bit under the radar. But in 02 he and Walker almost had them in the Finals. Too bad they just didn't match-up well with the Nets. They owned the rest of the East. Put Pierce with Shaq and he'd have had a bunch of rings too.

Oh no doubt, if Pierce/Garnett/Allen got together in their mid 20s they'd have at least 3 rings by now.

Not if they had to play a Harden, Durant and Westbrook at their peak. We haven't even seen it yet. The year Piece, Allen and Garnett won was their peak. Its over.

KG at his peak was much more of an all around player than Durant. Durant's just a shooter. Allen was a team leader that could get teams to the playoffs, Harden would not be if he was "the man." And Pierce could get to the rim way more than Westbrook ever could. He's too fragile.

OKC is a fun watch, but let's keep in perspective. They aren't as great as putting pretty much any three elite players in their prime together.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

I can't believe the Clippers beat the Grizzlies, if I were a betting man I would have put my money on Memphis to finish them in 5 or 6 games.

That's how good Chris Paul is. Until now I didn't take that team seriously. I thought they were just a slam dunkin highlight reel team but no more.

Blake needs to work on his offense.

Too bad Chauncey broke down. They'd be much better with him and Paul playing together.

P.S. Joakeem Noah is one ugly ************ when his hair starts coming out of that bun. I don't know what made me think about that, but just sayin.

Yeah Chris Paul is for real, he changed the whole series when he brought the Clippers back from the 20+ point deficit in game 1, he should have been MVP this year imo.

Nah. Memphis just choked Game 1 and Game 7 at home. You're reading way too much into it. And I'd easily vote for Parker over Paul. He was the leading PG and player on the dominant team.

 

[High_Gravity]

That's how good Chris Paul is. Until now I didn't take that team seriously. I thought they were just a slam dunkin highlight reel team but no more.

Blake needs to work on his offense.

Too bad Chauncey broke down. They'd be much better with him and Paul playing together.

P.S. Joakeem Noah is one ugly ************ when his hair starts coming out of that bun. I don't know what made me think about that, but just sayin.

Yeah Chris Paul is for real, he changed the whole series when he brought the Clippers back from the 20+ point deficit in game 1, he should have been MVP this year imo.

Nah. Memphis just choked Game 1 and Game 7 at home. You're reading way too much into it. And I'd easily vote for Parker over Paul. He was the leading PG and player on the dominant team.

If they can make the Spurs compete than we will know if they are for real or not, if the Spurs work them in 4 or 5 games than yeah you are right.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Me too. I think Memphis underestimated LA.

That game one meltdown really came back to haunt them.

Yup, what a shame, Memphis is a team that could have given teams like the Thunder and Lakers some serious shit.

They would have had to get past the Spurs first.

And the Lakers have no answer for Westbrook, Harden and Durant. But OK has Serge Ibaka and Perkins to deal with Gasol and Bynum.

Spurs vs. Oklahoma for the Western Conference Finals. I just hope OK is ready to beat the Spurs.

I do have that right, correct? Its OK vs. Lakers and Spurs get the Clippers?

The Lakers would have to play better than they have all year to beat OKC. And I think Bynum would have to play like Dwight Howard for an entire series. I don't see that happening.

 

[High_Gravity]

Oh no doubt, if Pierce/Garnett/Allen got together in their mid 20s they'd have at least 3 rings by now.

Not if they had to play a Harden, Durant and Westbrook at their peak. We haven't even seen it yet. The year Piece, Allen and Garnett won was their peak. Its over.

KG at his peak was much more of an all around player than Durant. Durant's just a shooter. Allen was a team leader that could get teams to the playoffs, Harden would not be if he was "the man." And Pierce could get to the rim way more than Westbrook ever could. He's too fragile.

OKC is a fun watch, but let's keep in perspective. They aren't as great as putting pretty much any three elite players in their prime together.

Either way I will be rooting for the Thunder to massacre the Lakers.

 

[High_Gravity]

Yup, what a shame, Memphis is a team that could have given teams like the Thunder and Lakers some serious shit.

They would have had to get past the Spurs first.

And the Lakers have no answer for Westbrook, Harden and Durant. But OK has Serge Ibaka and Perkins to deal with Gasol and Bynum.

Spurs vs. Oklahoma for the Western Conference Finals. I just hope OK is ready to beat the Spurs.

I do have that right, correct? Its OK vs. Lakers and Spurs get the Clippers?

The Lakers would have to play better than they have all year to beat OKC. And I think Bynum would have to play like Dwight Howard for an entire series. I don't see that happening.

Bynum would have to play like Dwight Howard for the whole series, Gasol would have to be on and Kobe would have to revert back to 2007 form. Their bench also has to produce and I don't see that.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Yeah Chris Paul is for real, he changed the whole series when he brought the Clippers back from the 20+ point deficit in game 1, he should have been MVP this year imo.

Nah. Memphis just choked Game 1 and Game 7 at home. You're reading way too much into it. And I'd easily vote for Parker over Paul. He was the leading PG and player on the dominant team.

If they can make the Spurs compete than we will know if they are for real or not, if the Spurs work them in 4 or 5 games than yeah you are right.

We know he's for real. Williams, Rondo, Paul and Parker are probably the top 4 PG's. I just don't think the Clippers overall are nearly as good as the Spurs though.

Parker is still quick and so Paul won't get into the lane as much as he would in other series. That'll allow Spurs defenders to stay at home on the wings. I think that'd mean Blake Griffin would have to step up. Blake Griffin does not have a comprehensive game yet though. Spurs should win in 4 or 5. I'm hoping 4 so that they conserve their health for what should be a really good OKC match-up.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

They would have had to get past the Spurs first.

And the Lakers have no answer for Westbrook, Harden and Durant. But OK has Serge Ibaka and Perkins to deal with Gasol and Bynum.

Spurs vs. Oklahoma for the Western Conference Finals. I just hope OK is ready to beat the Spurs.

I do have that right, correct? Its OK vs. Lakers and Spurs get the Clippers?

The Lakers would have to play better than they have all year to beat OKC. And I think Bynum would have to play like Dwight Howard for an entire series. I don't see that happening.

Bynum would have to play like Dwight Howard for the whole series, Gasol would have to be on and Kobe would have to revert back to 2007 form. Their bench also has to produce and I don't see that.

Kobe's not reverting. He's a mid range shooter that rarely gets to the hoop any more. He doesn't have the legs any more.