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[MisterBeale]

Seriously?

If these types of folks didn't have straw-men arguments and name calling, they would not be able to post on the forum.

 

[d0gbreath]

Not every military conflict is a war.

True, but we do tend to call them that. The Vietnam conflict just doesn't sound right.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

The constitution says the president does.

But Trump supporters don't care about the constitution, as long as Trump's the one taking a dump on it.

Neither did biden, neither did obama, neither did bush, neither did clinton, neither did bush1. Let's just make sure that we know that both sides have been doing this for decades.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Let's just make sure that we know that both sides have been doing this for decades.

He's programmed to only see the transgressions by non-Democrats.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

He's programmed to only see the transgressions by non-Democrats.

Yeah, seems like there's never any concerns when dems bomb things.

 

[TNHarley]

Been going on for a couple of hundred years. Who do you think?

Supreme Court

 

[Billiejeens]

TN's political philosophy is much closer to the founders than yours is, thus, I don't give a sh1t about your opinion on this.

Another one ^^^^ that doesn't understand what fringe means and how fringe people are detrimental to their cause.

 

[jc456]

Requote

That was the last time Congress wrote a declaration of war. NINETEEN FOURTY TWO.
How many wars have we been involved with since? You people only ***** about "mUh cOnGrEsS" when its the "other side" doing the crap.
You are all so disingenuous it is nauseating.

The Last Formal Declaration of War - JSTOR Daily

The last time Congress formally declared war was in World War II.

daily.jstor.org

Delegation of powers is not in the constitution. Anywhere. Jefferson spoke of it, but he was also referring to non legislative power. Guess what declarations of war is?
You guys don't really care about the constitution. At all.
Real liberalism is dead.
Real conservatism is dead.
Neoconservatism is alive and well.

 

[jc456]

Supreme Court

that's a judicial element of our country, what about them, they don't write law.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Supreme Court

They ruled on it? Serious question. If they did why are they legal? And yes Congress passed it

 

[jc456]

Im not trying to justify anything.
But the outrage is disingenuous. He has been doing what EVERY other president has been doing for almost 80 years.
Its ridiculous.
NONE of this should have been happening.
But you guys only care when its the other side. So nothing ever gets done about it.

not at all. No boots on the ground, so you're incorrect. He's been in and left every time. You can't cite one time.

 

[TNHarley]

He's programmed to only see the transgressions by non-Democrats.

That little argument, or whatever you want to call lies, has already been disproven in this thread. Ask nostra. He tucked his tail and ran.

 

[MisterBeale]

Another one ^^^^ that doesn't understand what fringe means and how fringe people are detrimental to their cause.

 

[TNHarley]

They ruled on it? Serious question. If they did why are they legal? And yes Congress passed it

No, they are the ones that made up delegation of powers.
I understand congressed it, but just because congress passes something, doesnt make it constitutional. Congress passed the patriot act and that bypassed several amendments. Our rights, and powers of the government, dont just go away or appear, because congress signs some legislation.

 

[TNHarley]

Yeah, seems like there's never any concerns when dems bomb things.

I have been against bombings by anyone for years. You know that.
I am actually anti-war. I dont just put on a red or blue hat and pretend I am.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

No, they are the ones that made up delegation of powers.
I understand congressed it, but just because congress passes something, doesnt make it constitutional. Congress passed the patriot act and that bypassed several amendments. Our rights, and powers of the government, dont just go away or appear, because congress signs some legislation.

So if Congress passed it and SCOTUS hasn't struck it down Trump can use it like his predecessors.

I understand now. Thanks!!!

 

[XponentialChaos]

The POTUS can’t “declare war” against another country, but he can “use military action” against another country.

Is the way we’ve been doing this what was intended by the founding fathers? I doubt it.

A few things:

- I think our Constitution should have been more clear on this.

- I think we should have fixed this loophole by now, which has been exploited by both sides.

- I think it’s troubling that we’re still running into these kinds of system issues this far into our nation’s existence.

- I think the POTUS has too much power.

 

[TNHarley]

So if Congress passed it and SCOTUS hasn't struck it down Trump can use it like his predecessors.

I understand now. Thanks!!!

Yes! Lets celebrate the Supreme court making laws from the bench, making things up, and presidents abusing their powers and going against the founders!
YES!!!!
I bet you love the patriot act too. I bet you bitched about warrantless surveillance on trump though, didnt ya?
They make leather boots for just this type of situation.

 

[MisterBeale]

How does it feel to be his cuck?

So you launch a straw-man argument and when I demolish it, you think it a good strategy to deploy an ad hom fallacy?

 

[TNHarley]

The POTUS can’t “declare war” against another country, but he can “use military action” against another country.

Is the way we’ve been doing this what was intended by the founding fathers? I doubt it.

A few things:

- I think our Constitution should have been more clear on this.

- I think we should have fixed this loophole by now, which has been exploited by both sides.

- I think it’s troubling that we’re still running into these kinds of system issues this far into our nation’s existence.

- I think the POTUS has too much power.

We have their intent. It is recorded. That should be the end all, but of course, political parties matter more.