12 year old shot at Starbucks in Chicago

[Issa]

Guns in lot of hands call for lot of crimes. So o many of us who grow up in a free guns socieities we understand that.
We didn' have people killing people in work places, in houses, in freeways, in colleges, ect...we only seen it on tv news happening in the US. And we never understood why.

again..what country is this?

Morocco , Belgium, Holland, Iceland, Finland, UAE, Singapore, Australia, be Zealand and many more look at us like some type of war hungry people...u can' open a news channel without seing gun crimes.

Yep...thought so.....small, insignificant countries, homogenous....except for Australia...you haven't kept up.....they have a gun problem....

Australia’s Gun 'Buyback' Created a Violent Firearms Black Market. Why Should the U.S. Do the Same?

Just days ago, Australia's Peter Dutton, Minister for Immigration and Border Protection, and Michael Keenan, Minister for Justice, held a joint press conference to announce "We don't tolerate gun smuggling in Australia and we know Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs are engaged in it. We have been keen to send the strongest possible message from Canberra that we're not going to tolerate people smuggling in guns or smuggling in gun parts. You'd appreciate that even one smuggled gun can do an enormous amount of damage."

When politicians announce that they don't tolerate something, it's a fair bet that the something is completely out of hand.

"Police admit they cannot eradicate a black market that is peddling illegal guns to criminals," the Adelaide Advertiser concededa few years ago. "Motorcycle gang members and convicted criminals barred from buying guns in South Australia have no difficulty obtaining illegal firearms - including fully automatic weapons."

More recently, the country's The New Daily gained access to "previously unpublished data for firearms offences" and reporteda surge in crime "including a massive 83 per cent increase in firearms offences in NSW between 2005/06 and 2014/15, and an even bigger jump in Victoria over the same period."

"Australians may be more at risk from gun crime than ever before with the country's underground market for firearms ballooning in the past decade," the report added. "[T]he national ban on semi-automatic weapons following the Port Arthur massacre had spawned criminal demand for handguns."

Much as the Mafia and other organized criminal outfits rose to power, wealth, and prominence by supplying illegal liquor during Prohibition in the United States, outlaw motorcycle gangs in Australia appear to be building international connections and making money by supplying guns to willing buyers.

And then there is this look at increasing Australian gun crime....

Gun city: Young, dumb and armed

The notion that a military-grade weapon could be in the hands of local criminals is shocking, but police have already seized at least five machine guns and assault rifles in the past 18 months. The AK-47 was not among them.

Only a fortnight ago, law enforcement authorities announced they were hunting another seven assault rifles recently smuggled into the country. Weapons from the shipment have been used in armed robberies and drive-by shootings.

These are just a handful of the thousands of illicit guns fuelling a wave of violent crime in the world’s most liveable city.

----

Despite Australia’s strict gun control regime, criminals are now better armed than at any time since then-Prime Minister John Howard introduced a nationwide firearm buyback scheme in response to the 1996 Port Arthur massacre.

Shootings have become almost a weekly occurrence, with more than 125 people, mostly young men, wounded in the past five year

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While the body count was higher during Melbourne’s ‘Underbelly War’ (1999-2005), more people have been seriously maimed in the recent spate of shootings and reprisals.

Crimes associated with firearm possession have also more than doubled, driven by the easy availability of handguns, semi-automatic rifles, shotguns and, increasingly, machine guns, that are smuggled into the country or stolen from licensed owners.

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These weapons have been used in dozens of recent drive-by shootings of homes and businesses, as well as targeted and random attacks in parks, shopping centres and roads.

“They’re young, dumb and armed,” said one former underworld associate, who survived a shooting attempt in the western suburbs several years ago.

“It used to be that if you were involved in something bad you might have to worry about [being shot]. Now people get shot over nothing - unprovoked.”

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Gun crime soars
In this series, Fairfax Media looks at Melbourne’s gun problem and the new breed of criminals behind the escalating violence.

The investigation has found:

• There have been at least 99 shootings in the past 20 months - more than one incident a week since January 2015
• Known criminals were caught with firearms 755 times last year, compared to 143 times in 2011
• The epicentre of the problem is a triangle between Coolaroo, Campbellfield and Glenroy in the north-west, with Cranbourne, Narre Warren and Dandenong in the south-east close behind
• Criminals are using gunshot wounds to the arms and legs as warnings to pay debts
• Assault rifles and handguns are being smuggled into Australia via shipments of electronics and metal parts

In response to the violence, it can be revealed the state government is planning to introduce new criminal offences for drive-by shootings, manufacturing of firearms with new technologies such as 3D printers, and more police powers to keep weapons out of the hands of known criminals.

Since you are good at googling...can you please tell us the difference in gun crimes in developed countries compared to the US. Canada, France, UK, Japan, ect....

Japan.....doesn't have any crime problem.......gun or otherwise.....because it is almost a police state....

Japan: Gun Control and People Control



Do the gun banners have the argument won when they point to these statistics? No, they don't. A realistic examination of Japanese culture leads to the conclusion that gun control has little, if anything, to do with Japan's low crime rates. Japan's lack of crime is more the result of the very extensive powers of the Japanese police, and the distinctive relation of the Japanese citizenry to authority. Further, none of the reasons which have made gun control succeed in Japan (in terms of disarming citizens) exist in the U.S.

The Japanese criminal justice system bears more heavily on a suspect than any other system in an industrial democratic nation. One American found this out when he was arrested in Okinawa for possessing marijuana: he was interrogated for days without an attorney, and signed a confession written in Japanese that he could not read. He met his lawyer for the first time at his trial, which took 30 minutes.

Unlike in the United States, where the Miranda rule limits coercive police interrogation techniques, Japanese police and prosecutors may detain a suspect indefinitely until he confesses. (Technically, detentions are only allowed for three days, followed by ten day extensions approved by a judge, but defense attorneys rarely oppose the extension request, for fear of offending the prosecutor.) Bail is denied if it would interfere with interrogation.

Even after interrogation is completed, pretrial detention may continue on a variety of pretexts, such as preventing the defendant from destroying evidence. Criminal defense lawyers are the only people allowed to visit a detained suspect, and those meetings are strictly limited.

Partly as a result of these coercive practices, and partly as a result of the Japanese sense of shame, the confession rate is 95%.

For those few defendants who dare to go to trial, there is no jury. Since judges almost always defer to the prosecutors' judgment, the trial conviction rate for violent crime is 99.5%.
Of those convicted, 98% receive jail time.

In short, once a Japanese suspect is apprehended, the power of the prosecutor makes it very likely the suspect will go to jail. And the power of the policeman makes it quite likely that a criminal will be apprehended.

The police routinely ask "suspicious" characters to show what is in their purse or sack. In effect, the police can search almost anyone, almost anytime, because courts only rarely exclude evidence seized by the police -- even if the police acted illegally.

The most important element of police power, though, is not authority to search, but authority in the community. Like school teachers, Japanese policemen rate high in public esteem, especially in the countryside. Community leaders and role models, the police are trained in calligraphy and Haiku composition. In police per capita, Japan far outranks all other major democracies.

15,000 koban "police boxes" are located throughout the cities. Citizens go to the 24-hour-a-day boxes not only for street directions, but to complain about day-to-day problems, such as noisy neighbors, or to ask advice on how to raise children. Some of the policemen and their families live in the boxes. Police box officers clear 74.6% of all criminal cases cleared. Police box officers also spend time teaching neighborhood youth judo or calligraphy. The officers even hand- write their own newspapers, with information about crime and accidents, "stories about good deeds by children, and opinions of
residents."

Excuses , excuses and excuses.....I happen to visit most of the world. When they hear i'm from the US....one of the topics is why you guys have so many guns and gun crimes. We are known to kill each other a lot and with guns PERIOD.....you can make excuses all day long, but the fact is we have a gun crime problem here in the US.

 

[Issa]

Guns in lot of hands call for lot of crimes. So o many of us who grow up in a free guns socieities we understand that.
We didn' have people killing people in work places, in houses, in freeways, in colleges, ect...we only seen it on tv news happening in the US. And we never understood why.

again..what country is this?

Morocco , Belgium, Holland, Iceland, Finland, UAE, Singapore, Australia, be Zealand and many more look at us like some type of war hungry people...u can' open a news channel without seing gun crimes.

Yep...thought so.....small, insignificant countries, homogenous....except for Australia...you haven't kept up.....they have a gun problem....

Australia’s Gun 'Buyback' Created a Violent Firearms Black Market. Why Should the U.S. Do the Same?

Just days ago, Australia's Peter Dutton, Minister for Immigration and Border Protection, and Michael Keenan, Minister for Justice, held a joint press conference to announce "We don't tolerate gun smuggling in Australia and we know Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs are engaged in it. We have been keen to send the strongest possible message from Canberra that we're not going to tolerate people smuggling in guns or smuggling in gun parts. You'd appreciate that even one smuggled gun can do an enormous amount of damage."

When politicians announce that they don't tolerate something, it's a fair bet that the something is completely out of hand.

"Police admit they cannot eradicate a black market that is peddling illegal guns to criminals," the Adelaide Advertiser concededa few years ago. "Motorcycle gang members and convicted criminals barred from buying guns in South Australia have no difficulty obtaining illegal firearms - including fully automatic weapons."

More recently, the country's The New Daily gained access to "previously unpublished data for firearms offences" and reporteda surge in crime "including a massive 83 per cent increase in firearms offences in NSW between 2005/06 and 2014/15, and an even bigger jump in Victoria over the same period."

"Australians may be more at risk from gun crime than ever before with the country's underground market for firearms ballooning in the past decade," the report added. "[T]he national ban on semi-automatic weapons following the Port Arthur massacre had spawned criminal demand for handguns."

Much as the Mafia and other organized criminal outfits rose to power, wealth, and prominence by supplying illegal liquor during Prohibition in the United States, outlaw motorcycle gangs in Australia appear to be building international connections and making money by supplying guns to willing buyers.

And then there is this look at increasing Australian gun crime....

Gun city: Young, dumb and armed

The notion that a military-grade weapon could be in the hands of local criminals is shocking, but police have already seized at least five machine guns and assault rifles in the past 18 months. The AK-47 was not among them.

Only a fortnight ago, law enforcement authorities announced they were hunting another seven assault rifles recently smuggled into the country. Weapons from the shipment have been used in armed robberies and drive-by shootings.

These are just a handful of the thousands of illicit guns fuelling a wave of violent crime in the world’s most liveable city.

----

Despite Australia’s strict gun control regime, criminals are now better armed than at any time since then-Prime Minister John Howard introduced a nationwide firearm buyback scheme in response to the 1996 Port Arthur massacre.

Shootings have become almost a weekly occurrence, with more than 125 people, mostly young men, wounded in the past five year

-----------

While the body count was higher during Melbourne’s ‘Underbelly War’ (1999-2005), more people have been seriously maimed in the recent spate of shootings and reprisals.

Crimes associated with firearm possession have also more than doubled, driven by the easy availability of handguns, semi-automatic rifles, shotguns and, increasingly, machine guns, that are smuggled into the country or stolen from licensed owners.

-------------

These weapons have been used in dozens of recent drive-by shootings of homes and businesses, as well as targeted and random attacks in parks, shopping centres and roads.

“They’re young, dumb and armed,” said one former underworld associate, who survived a shooting attempt in the western suburbs several years ago.

“It used to be that if you were involved in something bad you might have to worry about [being shot]. Now people get shot over nothing - unprovoked.”

------------

Gun crime soars
In this series, Fairfax Media looks at Melbourne’s gun problem and the new breed of criminals behind the escalating violence.

The investigation has found:

• There have been at least 99 shootings in the past 20 months - more than one incident a week since January 2015
• Known criminals were caught with firearms 755 times last year, compared to 143 times in 2011
• The epicentre of the problem is a triangle between Coolaroo, Campbellfield and Glenroy in the north-west, with Cranbourne, Narre Warren and Dandenong in the south-east close behind
• Criminals are using gunshot wounds to the arms and legs as warnings to pay debts
• Assault rifles and handguns are being smuggled into Australia via shipments of electronics and metal parts

In response to the violence, it can be revealed the state government is planning to introduce new criminal offences for drive-by shootings, manufacturing of firearms with new technologies such as 3D printers, and more police powers to keep weapons out of the hands of known criminals.

Are you trying to make yourself look better? The US has a major gun problem unlike most countries. GUN PROBLEM. What's hard about this? We people that grew up in other countries scream out oud and tell you, too many guns too many gun crimes, legal guns or not.

On top of that.....Americans use guns to stop crime 1,500,000 times a year...those are rapes that don't happen, robberies that are stopped, and murders that don't happen....lives saved.......

over 13 000 people get killed and over 30 000 hurt by gun violence, that's worse than afghanistan, Iraq and Lybia combined.

 

[ClosedCaption]

We don't have a gun problem.

The only way you can say that is to not have any integrity.

 

[blastoff]

You could take every gun out of Chicago's South and West side hoods and the criminal thugs would kill one another with knives, baseball bats, tire irons, lead pipes, bricks, scissors, screwdrivers, bottles, blackjacks, golf clubs, rope, or dozens of other items available to the thugs.

The mayhem is the result of a sick inner city culture. How they ever fix that is beyond me.

 

[2aguy]

again..what country is this?

Morocco , Belgium, Holland, Iceland, Finland, UAE, Singapore, Australia, be Zealand and many more look at us like some type of war hungry people...u can' open a news channel without seing gun crimes.

Yep...thought so.....small, insignificant countries, homogenous....except for Australia...you haven't kept up.....they have a gun problem....

Australia’s Gun 'Buyback' Created a Violent Firearms Black Market. Why Should the U.S. Do the Same?

Just days ago, Australia's Peter Dutton, Minister for Immigration and Border Protection, and Michael Keenan, Minister for Justice, held a joint press conference to announce "We don't tolerate gun smuggling in Australia and we know Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs are engaged in it. We have been keen to send the strongest possible message from Canberra that we're not going to tolerate people smuggling in guns or smuggling in gun parts. You'd appreciate that even one smuggled gun can do an enormous amount of damage."

When politicians announce that they don't tolerate something, it's a fair bet that the something is completely out of hand.

"Police admit they cannot eradicate a black market that is peddling illegal guns to criminals," the Adelaide Advertiser concededa few years ago. "Motorcycle gang members and convicted criminals barred from buying guns in South Australia have no difficulty obtaining illegal firearms - including fully automatic weapons."

More recently, the country's The New Daily gained access to "previously unpublished data for firearms offences" and reporteda surge in crime "including a massive 83 per cent increase in firearms offences in NSW between 2005/06 and 2014/15, and an even bigger jump in Victoria over the same period."

"Australians may be more at risk from gun crime than ever before with the country's underground market for firearms ballooning in the past decade," the report added. "[T]he national ban on semi-automatic weapons following the Port Arthur massacre had spawned criminal demand for handguns."

Much as the Mafia and other organized criminal outfits rose to power, wealth, and prominence by supplying illegal liquor during Prohibition in the United States, outlaw motorcycle gangs in Australia appear to be building international connections and making money by supplying guns to willing buyers.

And then there is this look at increasing Australian gun crime....

Gun city: Young, dumb and armed

The notion that a military-grade weapon could be in the hands of local criminals is shocking, but police have already seized at least five machine guns and assault rifles in the past 18 months. The AK-47 was not among them.

Only a fortnight ago, law enforcement authorities announced they were hunting another seven assault rifles recently smuggled into the country. Weapons from the shipment have been used in armed robberies and drive-by shootings.

These are just a handful of the thousands of illicit guns fuelling a wave of violent crime in the world’s most liveable city.

----

Despite Australia’s strict gun control regime, criminals are now better armed than at any time since then-Prime Minister John Howard introduced a nationwide firearm buyback scheme in response to the 1996 Port Arthur massacre.

Shootings have become almost a weekly occurrence, with more than 125 people, mostly young men, wounded in the past five year

-----------

While the body count was higher during Melbourne’s ‘Underbelly War’ (1999-2005), more people have been seriously maimed in the recent spate of shootings and reprisals.

Crimes associated with firearm possession have also more than doubled, driven by the easy availability of handguns, semi-automatic rifles, shotguns and, increasingly, machine guns, that are smuggled into the country or stolen from licensed owners.

-------------

These weapons have been used in dozens of recent drive-by shootings of homes and businesses, as well as targeted and random attacks in parks, shopping centres and roads.

“They’re young, dumb and armed,” said one former underworld associate, who survived a shooting attempt in the western suburbs several years ago.

“It used to be that if you were involved in something bad you might have to worry about [being shot]. Now people get shot over nothing - unprovoked.”

------------

Gun crime soars
In this series, Fairfax Media looks at Melbourne’s gun problem and the new breed of criminals behind the escalating violence.

The investigation has found:

• There have been at least 99 shootings in the past 20 months - more than one incident a week since January 2015
• Known criminals were caught with firearms 755 times last year, compared to 143 times in 2011
• The epicentre of the problem is a triangle between Coolaroo, Campbellfield and Glenroy in the north-west, with Cranbourne, Narre Warren and Dandenong in the south-east close behind
• Criminals are using gunshot wounds to the arms and legs as warnings to pay debts
• Assault rifles and handguns are being smuggled into Australia via shipments of electronics and metal parts

In response to the violence, it can be revealed the state government is planning to introduce new criminal offences for drive-by shootings, manufacturing of firearms with new technologies such as 3D printers, and more police powers to keep weapons out of the hands of known criminals.

Are you trying to make yourself look better? The US has a major gun problem unlike most countries. GUN PROBLEM. What's hard about this? We people that grew up in other countries scream out oud and tell you, too many guns too many gun crimes, legal guns or not.

Wrong. We have a third world criminal problem. Get rid of the violent people and the crime go's away.

I would've loved to beleive but I can't ....I lived in a third world country and i haven't heard of so many people getting killed on daily basis like here in the US....i'm not even gonna talk about the mass killing. I've seen guys that go nut, they pick a knife and start cutting people before they are arrive to the 3 person they are taken down....now if theY have had guns available, we will see the same death toll like here in the us FOR SURE.

You mean...like, except for France...right....? Where terrorists, on government terrorist watch lists picked up fully automatic military rifles, which are illegal in France.....used them to murder 142 people......you mean except for that...right? Those guns are completely illegal and supposed to be unavailable.....and yet criminals in France, and terrorists in France get them easily....fully automatic military rifles....

 

[2aguy]

again..what country is this?

Morocco , Belgium, Holland, Iceland, Finland, UAE, Singapore, Australia, be Zealand and many more look at us like some type of war hungry people...u can' open a news channel without seing gun crimes.

Yep...thought so.....small, insignificant countries, homogenous....except for Australia...you haven't kept up.....they have a gun problem....

Australia’s Gun 'Buyback' Created a Violent Firearms Black Market. Why Should the U.S. Do the Same?

Just days ago, Australia's Peter Dutton, Minister for Immigration and Border Protection, and Michael Keenan, Minister for Justice, held a joint press conference to announce "We don't tolerate gun smuggling in Australia and we know Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs are engaged in it. We have been keen to send the strongest possible message from Canberra that we're not going to tolerate people smuggling in guns or smuggling in gun parts. You'd appreciate that even one smuggled gun can do an enormous amount of damage."

When politicians announce that they don't tolerate something, it's a fair bet that the something is completely out of hand.

"Police admit they cannot eradicate a black market that is peddling illegal guns to criminals," the Adelaide Advertiser concededa few years ago. "Motorcycle gang members and convicted criminals barred from buying guns in South Australia have no difficulty obtaining illegal firearms - including fully automatic weapons."

More recently, the country's The New Daily gained access to "previously unpublished data for firearms offences" and reporteda surge in crime "including a massive 83 per cent increase in firearms offences in NSW between 2005/06 and 2014/15, and an even bigger jump in Victoria over the same period."

"Australians may be more at risk from gun crime than ever before with the country's underground market for firearms ballooning in the past decade," the report added. "[T]he national ban on semi-automatic weapons following the Port Arthur massacre had spawned criminal demand for handguns."

Much as the Mafia and other organized criminal outfits rose to power, wealth, and prominence by supplying illegal liquor during Prohibition in the United States, outlaw motorcycle gangs in Australia appear to be building international connections and making money by supplying guns to willing buyers.

And then there is this look at increasing Australian gun crime....

Gun city: Young, dumb and armed

The notion that a military-grade weapon could be in the hands of local criminals is shocking, but police have already seized at least five machine guns and assault rifles in the past 18 months. The AK-47 was not among them.

Only a fortnight ago, law enforcement authorities announced they were hunting another seven assault rifles recently smuggled into the country. Weapons from the shipment have been used in armed robberies and drive-by shootings.

These are just a handful of the thousands of illicit guns fuelling a wave of violent crime in the world’s most liveable city.

----

Despite Australia’s strict gun control regime, criminals are now better armed than at any time since then-Prime Minister John Howard introduced a nationwide firearm buyback scheme in response to the 1996 Port Arthur massacre.

Shootings have become almost a weekly occurrence, with more than 125 people, mostly young men, wounded in the past five year

-----------

While the body count was higher during Melbourne’s ‘Underbelly War’ (1999-2005), more people have been seriously maimed in the recent spate of shootings and reprisals.

Crimes associated with firearm possession have also more than doubled, driven by the easy availability of handguns, semi-automatic rifles, shotguns and, increasingly, machine guns, that are smuggled into the country or stolen from licensed owners.

-------------

These weapons have been used in dozens of recent drive-by shootings of homes and businesses, as well as targeted and random attacks in parks, shopping centres and roads.

“They’re young, dumb and armed,” said one former underworld associate, who survived a shooting attempt in the western suburbs several years ago.

“It used to be that if you were involved in something bad you might have to worry about [being shot]. Now people get shot over nothing - unprovoked.”

------------

Gun crime soars
In this series, Fairfax Media looks at Melbourne’s gun problem and the new breed of criminals behind the escalating violence.

The investigation has found:

• There have been at least 99 shootings in the past 20 months - more than one incident a week since January 2015
• Known criminals were caught with firearms 755 times last year, compared to 143 times in 2011
• The epicentre of the problem is a triangle between Coolaroo, Campbellfield and Glenroy in the north-west, with Cranbourne, Narre Warren and Dandenong in the south-east close behind
• Criminals are using gunshot wounds to the arms and legs as warnings to pay debts
• Assault rifles and handguns are being smuggled into Australia via shipments of electronics and metal parts

In response to the violence, it can be revealed the state government is planning to introduce new criminal offences for drive-by shootings, manufacturing of firearms with new technologies such as 3D printers, and more police powers to keep weapons out of the hands of known criminals.

Since you are good at googling...can you please tell us the difference in gun crimes in developed countries compared to the US. Canada, France, UK, Japan, ect....

Japan.....doesn't have any crime problem.......gun or otherwise.....because it is almost a police state....

Japan: Gun Control and People Control



Do the gun banners have the argument won when they point to these statistics? No, they don't. A realistic examination of Japanese culture leads to the conclusion that gun control has little, if anything, to do with Japan's low crime rates. Japan's lack of crime is more the result of the very extensive powers of the Japanese police, and the distinctive relation of the Japanese citizenry to authority. Further, none of the reasons which have made gun control succeed in Japan (in terms of disarming citizens) exist in the U.S.

The Japanese criminal justice system bears more heavily on a suspect than any other system in an industrial democratic nation. One American found this out when he was arrested in Okinawa for possessing marijuana: he was interrogated for days without an attorney, and signed a confession written in Japanese that he could not read. He met his lawyer for the first time at his trial, which took 30 minutes.

Unlike in the United States, where the Miranda rule limits coercive police interrogation techniques, Japanese police and prosecutors may detain a suspect indefinitely until he confesses. (Technically, detentions are only allowed for three days, followed by ten day extensions approved by a judge, but defense attorneys rarely oppose the extension request, for fear of offending the prosecutor.) Bail is denied if it would interfere with interrogation.

Even after interrogation is completed, pretrial detention may continue on a variety of pretexts, such as preventing the defendant from destroying evidence. Criminal defense lawyers are the only people allowed to visit a detained suspect, and those meetings are strictly limited.

Partly as a result of these coercive practices, and partly as a result of the Japanese sense of shame, the confession rate is 95%.

For those few defendants who dare to go to trial, there is no jury. Since judges almost always defer to the prosecutors' judgment, the trial conviction rate for violent crime is 99.5%.
Of those convicted, 98% receive jail time.

In short, once a Japanese suspect is apprehended, the power of the prosecutor makes it very likely the suspect will go to jail. And the power of the policeman makes it quite likely that a criminal will be apprehended.

The police routinely ask "suspicious" characters to show what is in their purse or sack. In effect, the police can search almost anyone, almost anytime, because courts only rarely exclude evidence seized by the police -- even if the police acted illegally.

The most important element of police power, though, is not authority to search, but authority in the community. Like school teachers, Japanese policemen rate high in public esteem, especially in the countryside. Community leaders and role models, the police are trained in calligraphy and Haiku composition. In police per capita, Japan far outranks all other major democracies.

15,000 koban "police boxes" are located throughout the cities. Citizens go to the 24-hour-a-day boxes not only for street directions, but to complain about day-to-day problems, such as noisy neighbors, or to ask advice on how to raise children. Some of the policemen and their families live in the boxes. Police box officers clear 74.6% of all criminal cases cleared. Police box officers also spend time teaching neighborhood youth judo or calligraphy. The officers even hand- write their own newspapers, with information about crime and accidents, "stories about good deeds by children, and opinions of
residents."

Excuses , excuses and excuses.....I happen to visit most of the world. When they hear i'm from the US....one of the topics is why you guys have so many guns and gun crimes. We are known to kill each other a lot and with guns PERIOD.....you can make excuses all day long, but the fact is we have a gun crime problem here in the US.

I imagine you never explain that Americans use those same guns 1.500,000 times a year to stop violent criminals....right? That armed Americans carrying guns did not increase our violent crime rate, our gun crime rate or our gun murder rate...right, that it isn't the guns but the nature of our inner city criminals that cause the problem, along with our criminal justice system that will not lock these violent gun criminals up for 30 years to keep us safe....

Try explaining those things and see what they say......point out this information...and blow their minds...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...

-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[2aguy]

again..what country is this?

Morocco , Belgium, Holland, Iceland, Finland, UAE, Singapore, Australia, be Zealand and many more look at us like some type of war hungry people...u can' open a news channel without seing gun crimes.

Yep...thought so.....small, insignificant countries, homogenous....except for Australia...you haven't kept up.....they have a gun problem....

Australia’s Gun 'Buyback' Created a Violent Firearms Black Market. Why Should the U.S. Do the Same?

Just days ago, Australia's Peter Dutton, Minister for Immigration and Border Protection, and Michael Keenan, Minister for Justice, held a joint press conference to announce "We don't tolerate gun smuggling in Australia and we know Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs are engaged in it. We have been keen to send the strongest possible message from Canberra that we're not going to tolerate people smuggling in guns or smuggling in gun parts. You'd appreciate that even one smuggled gun can do an enormous amount of damage."

When politicians announce that they don't tolerate something, it's a fair bet that the something is completely out of hand.

"Police admit they cannot eradicate a black market that is peddling illegal guns to criminals," the Adelaide Advertiser concededa few years ago. "Motorcycle gang members and convicted criminals barred from buying guns in South Australia have no difficulty obtaining illegal firearms - including fully automatic weapons."

More recently, the country's The New Daily gained access to "previously unpublished data for firearms offences" and reporteda surge in crime "including a massive 83 per cent increase in firearms offences in NSW between 2005/06 and 2014/15, and an even bigger jump in Victoria over the same period."

"Australians may be more at risk from gun crime than ever before with the country's underground market for firearms ballooning in the past decade," the report added. "[T]he national ban on semi-automatic weapons following the Port Arthur massacre had spawned criminal demand for handguns."

Much as the Mafia and other organized criminal outfits rose to power, wealth, and prominence by supplying illegal liquor during Prohibition in the United States, outlaw motorcycle gangs in Australia appear to be building international connections and making money by supplying guns to willing buyers.

And then there is this look at increasing Australian gun crime....

Gun city: Young, dumb and armed

The notion that a military-grade weapon could be in the hands of local criminals is shocking, but police have already seized at least five machine guns and assault rifles in the past 18 months. The AK-47 was not among them.

Only a fortnight ago, law enforcement authorities announced they were hunting another seven assault rifles recently smuggled into the country. Weapons from the shipment have been used in armed robberies and drive-by shootings.

These are just a handful of the thousands of illicit guns fuelling a wave of violent crime in the world’s most liveable city.

----

Despite Australia’s strict gun control regime, criminals are now better armed than at any time since then-Prime Minister John Howard introduced a nationwide firearm buyback scheme in response to the 1996 Port Arthur massacre.

Shootings have become almost a weekly occurrence, with more than 125 people, mostly young men, wounded in the past five year

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While the body count was higher during Melbourne’s ‘Underbelly War’ (1999-2005), more people have been seriously maimed in the recent spate of shootings and reprisals.

Crimes associated with firearm possession have also more than doubled, driven by the easy availability of handguns, semi-automatic rifles, shotguns and, increasingly, machine guns, that are smuggled into the country or stolen from licensed owners.

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These weapons have been used in dozens of recent drive-by shootings of homes and businesses, as well as targeted and random attacks in parks, shopping centres and roads.

“They’re young, dumb and armed,” said one former underworld associate, who survived a shooting attempt in the western suburbs several years ago.

“It used to be that if you were involved in something bad you might have to worry about [being shot]. Now people get shot over nothing - unprovoked.”

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Gun crime soars
In this series, Fairfax Media looks at Melbourne’s gun problem and the new breed of criminals behind the escalating violence.

The investigation has found:

• There have been at least 99 shootings in the past 20 months - more than one incident a week since January 2015
• Known criminals were caught with firearms 755 times last year, compared to 143 times in 2011
• The epicentre of the problem is a triangle between Coolaroo, Campbellfield and Glenroy in the north-west, with Cranbourne, Narre Warren and Dandenong in the south-east close behind
• Criminals are using gunshot wounds to the arms and legs as warnings to pay debts
• Assault rifles and handguns are being smuggled into Australia via shipments of electronics and metal parts

In response to the violence, it can be revealed the state government is planning to introduce new criminal offences for drive-by shootings, manufacturing of firearms with new technologies such as 3D printers, and more police powers to keep weapons out of the hands of known criminals.

Are you trying to make yourself look better? The US has a major gun problem unlike most countries. GUN PROBLEM. What's hard about this? We people that grew up in other countries scream out oud and tell you, too many guns too many gun crimes, legal guns or not.

On top of that.....Americans use guns to stop crime 1,500,000 times a year...those are rapes that don't happen, robberies that are stopped, and murders that don't happen....lives saved.......

over 13 000 people get killed and over 30 000 hurt by gun violence, that's worse than afghanistan, Iraq and Lybia combined.

Yeah..except of those murdered with guns, 70-80% are criminals engaged in crime....killing each other......and of those killed with guns, most of them are suicides......so again, we don't have a gun problem...since our gun crime is conducted by criminaals with long histories of crime and violence who should be locked up...but are released over and over again even with repeat, violent gun offenses.....can you explain that?

Then suicides....China, Japan, South Korea.....all have absolute gun control...and have higher suicide rates than we do...no guns,but they still kill themselves at higher rates than we do....and many countries in Europe have higher suicide rates than we do...

It isn't the guns.......cars killed 35,000 people in 2016......guns aren't even close to that.....

Gun suicide..

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2015
Gun suicide...

22,018

Non Gun suicide...

22,078
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Gun Accidental death.....
2015

489

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Gun murder ( 70-80% of the victims of gun murder are actual criminals, not law abiding people)

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8


2015--

9,616

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Suicide
...even though Japan, Korea, China, all have absolute gun control for law abiding citizens...only criminals and cops can have guns.......and they have higher suicide rates than we do....and our non-gun suicide rate has been higher than our gun suicide rate for 2 years in a row.....

Gun Accidental Death...

Gun accidents....in a country with over 320,000,000 people...... with 400,000,000 guns in private hands, and over 15,700,000 people carrying guns for self defense..... 489 accidental gun deaths....

Gun murder
Of the 9,616 gun murders in this country, 70-80% of the victims are criminals, engaged in criminal activity or part of the criminal life style....and of the remaining victims....many of them are friends and family of the criminal...caught up in the criminal's lifestyle.....

 

[2aguy]

We don't have a gun problem.

The only way you can say that is to not have any integrity.

No...the way I say that is by telling the truth...and not lying in order to push an emotional argument to ban guns....

 

[2aguy]

again..what country is this?

Morocco , Belgium, Holland, Iceland, Finland, UAE, Singapore, Australia, be Zealand and many more look at us like some type of war hungry people...u can' open a news channel without seing gun crimes.

Yep...thought so.....small, insignificant countries, homogenous....except for Australia...you haven't kept up.....they have a gun problem....

Australia’s Gun 'Buyback' Created a Violent Firearms Black Market. Why Should the U.S. Do the Same?

Just days ago, Australia's Peter Dutton, Minister for Immigration and Border Protection, and Michael Keenan, Minister for Justice, held a joint press conference to announce "We don't tolerate gun smuggling in Australia and we know Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs are engaged in it. We have been keen to send the strongest possible message from Canberra that we're not going to tolerate people smuggling in guns or smuggling in gun parts. You'd appreciate that even one smuggled gun can do an enormous amount of damage."

When politicians announce that they don't tolerate something, it's a fair bet that the something is completely out of hand.

"Police admit they cannot eradicate a black market that is peddling illegal guns to criminals," the Adelaide Advertiser concededa few years ago. "Motorcycle gang members and convicted criminals barred from buying guns in South Australia have no difficulty obtaining illegal firearms - including fully automatic weapons."

More recently, the country's The New Daily gained access to "previously unpublished data for firearms offences" and reporteda surge in crime "including a massive 83 per cent increase in firearms offences in NSW between 2005/06 and 2014/15, and an even bigger jump in Victoria over the same period."

"Australians may be more at risk from gun crime than ever before with the country's underground market for firearms ballooning in the past decade," the report added. "[T]he national ban on semi-automatic weapons following the Port Arthur massacre had spawned criminal demand for handguns."

Much as the Mafia and other organized criminal outfits rose to power, wealth, and prominence by supplying illegal liquor during Prohibition in the United States, outlaw motorcycle gangs in Australia appear to be building international connections and making money by supplying guns to willing buyers.

And then there is this look at increasing Australian gun crime....

Gun city: Young, dumb and armed

The notion that a military-grade weapon could be in the hands of local criminals is shocking, but police have already seized at least five machine guns and assault rifles in the past 18 months. The AK-47 was not among them.

Only a fortnight ago, law enforcement authorities announced they were hunting another seven assault rifles recently smuggled into the country. Weapons from the shipment have been used in armed robberies and drive-by shootings.

These are just a handful of the thousands of illicit guns fuelling a wave of violent crime in the world’s most liveable city.

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Despite Australia’s strict gun control regime, criminals are now better armed than at any time since then-Prime Minister John Howard introduced a nationwide firearm buyback scheme in response to the 1996 Port Arthur massacre.

Shootings have become almost a weekly occurrence, with more than 125 people, mostly young men, wounded in the past five year

-----------

While the body count was higher during Melbourne’s ‘Underbelly War’ (1999-2005), more people have been seriously maimed in the recent spate of shootings and reprisals.

Crimes associated with firearm possession have also more than doubled, driven by the easy availability of handguns, semi-automatic rifles, shotguns and, increasingly, machine guns, that are smuggled into the country or stolen from licensed owners.

-------------

These weapons have been used in dozens of recent drive-by shootings of homes and businesses, as well as targeted and random attacks in parks, shopping centres and roads.

“They’re young, dumb and armed,” said one former underworld associate, who survived a shooting attempt in the western suburbs several years ago.

“It used to be that if you were involved in something bad you might have to worry about [being shot]. Now people get shot over nothing - unprovoked.”

------------

Gun crime soars
In this series, Fairfax Media looks at Melbourne’s gun problem and the new breed of criminals behind the escalating violence.

The investigation has found:

• There have been at least 99 shootings in the past 20 months - more than one incident a week since January 2015
• Known criminals were caught with firearms 755 times last year, compared to 143 times in 2011
• The epicentre of the problem is a triangle between Coolaroo, Campbellfield and Glenroy in the north-west, with Cranbourne, Narre Warren and Dandenong in the south-east close behind
• Criminals are using gunshot wounds to the arms and legs as warnings to pay debts
• Assault rifles and handguns are being smuggled into Australia via shipments of electronics and metal parts

In response to the violence, it can be revealed the state government is planning to introduce new criminal offences for drive-by shootings, manufacturing of firearms with new technologies such as 3D printers, and more police powers to keep weapons out of the hands of known criminals.

Since you are good at googling...can you please tell us the difference in gun crimes in developed countries compared to the US. Canada, France, UK, Japan, ect....

Japan.....doesn't have any crime problem.......gun or otherwise.....because it is almost a police state....

Japan: Gun Control and People Control



Do the gun banners have the argument won when they point to these statistics? No, they don't. A realistic examination of Japanese culture leads to the conclusion that gun control has little, if anything, to do with Japan's low crime rates. Japan's lack of crime is more the result of the very extensive powers of the Japanese police, and the distinctive relation of the Japanese citizenry to authority. Further, none of the reasons which have made gun control succeed in Japan (in terms of disarming citizens) exist in the U.S.

The Japanese criminal justice system bears more heavily on a suspect than any other system in an industrial democratic nation. One American found this out when he was arrested in Okinawa for possessing marijuana: he was interrogated for days without an attorney, and signed a confession written in Japanese that he could not read. He met his lawyer for the first time at his trial, which took 30 minutes.

Unlike in the United States, where the Miranda rule limits coercive police interrogation techniques, Japanese police and prosecutors may detain a suspect indefinitely until he confesses. (Technically, detentions are only allowed for three days, followed by ten day extensions approved by a judge, but defense attorneys rarely oppose the extension request, for fear of offending the prosecutor.) Bail is denied if it would interfere with interrogation.

Even after interrogation is completed, pretrial detention may continue on a variety of pretexts, such as preventing the defendant from destroying evidence. Criminal defense lawyers are the only people allowed to visit a detained suspect, and those meetings are strictly limited.

Partly as a result of these coercive practices, and partly as a result of the Japanese sense of shame, the confession rate is 95%.

For those few defendants who dare to go to trial, there is no jury. Since judges almost always defer to the prosecutors' judgment, the trial conviction rate for violent crime is 99.5%.
Of those convicted, 98% receive jail time.

In short, once a Japanese suspect is apprehended, the power of the prosecutor makes it very likely the suspect will go to jail. And the power of the policeman makes it quite likely that a criminal will be apprehended.

The police routinely ask "suspicious" characters to show what is in their purse or sack. In effect, the police can search almost anyone, almost anytime, because courts only rarely exclude evidence seized by the police -- even if the police acted illegally.

The most important element of police power, though, is not authority to search, but authority in the community. Like school teachers, Japanese policemen rate high in public esteem, especially in the countryside. Community leaders and role models, the police are trained in calligraphy and Haiku composition. In police per capita, Japan far outranks all other major democracies.

15,000 koban "police boxes" are located throughout the cities. Citizens go to the 24-hour-a-day boxes not only for street directions, but to complain about day-to-day problems, such as noisy neighbors, or to ask advice on how to raise children. Some of the policemen and their families live in the boxes. Police box officers clear 74.6% of all criminal cases cleared. Police box officers also spend time teaching neighborhood youth judo or calligraphy. The officers even hand- write their own newspapers, with information about crime and accidents, "stories about good deeds by children, and opinions of
residents."

Excuses , excuses and excuses.....I happen to visit most of the world. When they hear i'm from the US....one of the topics is why you guys have so many guns and gun crimes. We are known to kill each other a lot and with guns PERIOD.....you can make excuses all day long, but the fact is we have a gun crime problem here in the US.

I notice you didn't address the country by country breakdown that you requested........you expected the facts and truth to support what you believed, and when you actually look for the truth, the truth is the opposite of what you believe......guns do not create murder or crime. The country by country breakdown I gave you show that those countries are finally experiencing the results of social welfare states replacing families.....and the violence that comes from that......you guys sit there happy with the past...since it reflects what you believe, but things are changing....and more violence and murder are happening in the countries that disarmed their people....reduced their police forces to pay for welfare state benefits, cut the spending on those police forces to pay for welfare state benefits....and that welfare state is creating more and more single teenage girls who can't raise young males into adult men....and they are becoming violent sociopaths....

 

[Issa]

And again people getting shot in a church as usual. Places of worship only in America.
Keep on living in denial that there is a gun problem.

 

[westwall]

And again people getting shot in a church as usual. Places of worship only in America.
Keep on living in denial that there is a gun problem.

Oh, it happens everywhere. Egypt has very strict gun control laws the last time I checked. I wonder why those darned laws didn't save these poor people?


Dozens dead as gunmen attack bus of Coptic Christians in Egypt
Dozens dead as gunmen attack bus of Coptic Christians in Egypt

 

[Issa]

And again people getting shot in a church as usual. Places of worship only in America.
Keep on living in denial that there is a gun problem.

Oh, it happens everywhere. Egypt has very strict gun control laws the last time I checked. I wonder why those darned laws didn't save these poor people?


Dozens dead as gunmen attack bus of Coptic Christians in Egypt
Dozens dead as gunmen attack bus of Coptic Christians in Egypt

Not as frequent as In the US....and Egypt is unstable and just came out from a revolution...now here in the US, people get shot in their beds, workplace, church, concert, baseball games, schools....is epidemic.

 

[Likkmee]

Chains. Large boats. One way transit to Africa. Don't bother with chains. Thats why God invented sharks.

 

[2aguy]

And again people getting shot in a church as usual. Places of worship only in America.
Keep on living in denial that there is a gun problem.

Churches are generally gun free zones...so this couldn't have happened...since the killer couldn't bring his gun into the church...right? Since it is likely the church is a gun free zone, they would have been unarmed and helpless and the police weren't there to stop the killer.......

Gun free zones kill....

 

[2aguy]

And again people getting shot in a church as usual. Places of worship only in America.
Keep on living in denial that there is a gun problem.

Oh, it happens everywhere. Egypt has very strict gun control laws the last time I checked. I wonder why those darned laws didn't save these poor people?


Dozens dead as gunmen attack bus of Coptic Christians in Egypt
Dozens dead as gunmen attack bus of Coptic Christians in Egypt

Not as frequent as In the US....and Egypt is unstable and just came out from a revolution...now here in the US, people get shot in their beds, workplace, church, concert, baseball games, schools....is epidemic.

And Americans use their guns 1,500,000 times a year to stop guys like this....and rapists, robbers and other murderers....

So....26 vs. 1,500,000 ....can you tell which number is bigger...

And likely this church was a gun free zone...which allowed the killer to murder those people long before the police were able to arrive...

 

[westwall]

And again people getting shot in a church as usual. Places of worship only in America.
Keep on living in denial that there is a gun problem.

Oh, it happens everywhere. Egypt has very strict gun control laws the last time I checked. I wonder why those darned laws didn't save these poor people?


Dozens dead as gunmen attack bus of Coptic Christians in Egypt
Dozens dead as gunmen attack bus of Coptic Christians in Egypt

Not as frequent as In the US....and Egypt is unstable and just came out from a revolution...now here in the US, people get shot in their beds, workplace, church, concert, baseball games, schools....is epidemic.

MORE frequent than in the US and with a much higher casualty rate.

 

[Issa]

And again people getting shot in a church as usual. Places of worship only in America.
Keep on living in denial that there is a gun problem.

Oh, it happens everywhere. Egypt has very strict gun control laws the last time I checked. I wonder why those darned laws didn't save these poor people?


Dozens dead as gunmen attack bus of Coptic Christians in Egypt
Dozens dead as gunmen attack bus of Coptic Christians in Egypt

Not as frequent as In the US....and Egypt is unstable and just came out from a revolution...now here in the US, people get shot in their beds, workplace, church, concert, baseball games, schools....is epidemic.

MORE frequent than in the US and with a much higher casualty rate.

Does lying makes you comfortable? go to any Egyptian and ask him is Egypt as bad as the US when it comes to gun crimes.....he will laugh at you. Do they have terrorists attacks? yes.....do they have gun crimes? yes.....causalities from both are very small compared to the US.....I kid you not when I say, gun causalities in the US exceeds some war zone countries.

Let's be more realistic and compare us to almost an identical country.....Canada, murder rate in the US is 7 times worse than our neighbors...... enjoy your guns.

 

[WheelieAddict]

 

[Disir]

Shooting at Chicago Starbucks kills 1, injures 2, including 12-year-old boy

What if anything can be done to stop this urban death machine?

Cook County courts raise bonds for gun crimes — but suspects getting out faster
^^^Bond and release. Light sentencing is a problem. It's also one that is being documented across the US. The vague little Risk Assessment tools are a problem.

You have to lock them up. When you have 16 year olds with AK 47s you have a problem so stop treating them as children that need a teddy bear and a hug.

The 28 year old that was killed had a history of gang violence and had a gun and narcotics in his pocket.
Man fatally shot at Uptown Starbucks had weapon, narcotics, police say

5 Dead, at Least 24 Wounded in Weekend Shootings

Legalizing drugs is not the answer. Making this about gun rights is not the answer. Making this a "black thing" is not the answer.

 

[westwall]

And again people getting shot in a church as usual. Places of worship only in America.
Keep on living in denial that there is a gun problem.

Oh, it happens everywhere. Egypt has very strict gun control laws the last time I checked. I wonder why those darned laws didn't save these poor people?


Dozens dead as gunmen attack bus of Coptic Christians in Egypt
Dozens dead as gunmen attack bus of Coptic Christians in Egypt

Not as frequent as In the US....and Egypt is unstable and just came out from a revolution...now here in the US, people get shot in their beds, workplace, church, concert, baseball games, schools....is epidemic.

MORE frequent than in the US and with a much higher casualty rate.

Does lying makes you comfortable? go to any Egyptian and ask him is Egypt as bad as the US when it comes to gun crimes.....he will laugh at you. Do they have terrorists attacks? yes.....do they have gun crimes? yes.....causalities from both are very small compared to the US.....I kid you not when I say, gun causalities in the US exceeds some war zone countries.

Let's be more realistic and compare us to almost an identical country.....Canada, murder rate in the US is 7 times worse than our neighbors...... enjoy your guns.

Canada is not identical. Canada is mainly white. They have 30 million or so people. We have one third of their population that is illegally here and come from violent third world shitholes and they bring their violence with them.