When This War Is Over - Palestine Will Be Free

[gipper]

You fools just dont get it that no Arab country ever treated the Palestinians like Israel did up until being attacked by their elected leadership of Hamas. Peace offerings, land concessions, food, water, energy & saving Palestinian lives in Israeli hospitals. The biggest mistake made by those Zionists was not treating Palestinians like their own Arab brothers did & still do. History has proven king Huessein was right. LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

Nakba?
Operation Cast Lead?
Operation Protective Edge?
Mowing the lawn?

Anything?

Everything you know is wrong.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

• If the Saudis were really interested in normalizing their relations with Israel, they could have done so long ago. Saudi Arabia's de facto ruler, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, is delaying the move, in part, reportedly, out of fear of facing a backlash from his own people. He may, however, also have serious reservations that he would prefer not to talk about in public.
• Like most Arabs, the Saudis could not care less about a Palestinian state and might secretly prefer not to have one at all. They are no doubt aware that the Palestinians themselves are the biggest obstacle to the establishment of a state of their own. During the past eight decades, they have acted as a serial wrecking ball to every peaceful place they set foot.
• The last thing most Arab states want is a Hamas-controlled Palestinian state. Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain justifiably regard Hamas and other Islamist groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood as a threat to their national security, most likely the main reason they all have refused to take in Gazan refugees.
• Blinken's claim that a Palestinian state would "isolate" Iran and its proxies is pure nonsense. The opposite is the case.
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• A Palestinian State Will Lead To More Massacres, Final Nail in Coffin Torpedoing Biden Legacy
  

 

[MJB12741]

• If the Saudis were really interested in normalizing their relations with Israel, they could have done so long ago. Saudi Arabia's de facto ruler, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, is delaying the move, in part, reportedly, out of fear of facing a backlash from his own people. He may, however, also have serious reservations that he would prefer not to talk about in public.
• Like most Arabs, the Saudis could not care less about a Palestinian state and might secretly prefer not to have one at all. They are no doubt aware that the Palestinians themselves are the biggest obstacle to the establishment of a state of their own. During the past eight decades, they have acted as a serial wrecking ball to every peaceful place they set foot.
• The last thing most Arab states want is a Hamas-controlled Palestinian state. Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain justifiably regard Hamas and other Islamist groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood as a threat to their national security, most likely the main reason they all have refused to take in Gazan refugees.
• Blinken's claim that a Palestinian state would "isolate" Iran and its proxies is pure nonsense. The opposite is the case.
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• A Palestinian State Will Lead To More Massacres, Final Nail in Coffin Torpedoing Biden Legacy

Jordan sure refused to provide a Palestinian state for their Palestinians. I beleive Jordan is the smartest player in all of the Middle East.

 

[Kruska]

Jordan sure refused to provide a Palestinian state for their Palestinians. I beleive Jordan is the smartest player in all of the Middle East.

What responsibility or ethnically founded reason would the Bedouin populated and ruled country of Jordan have, to provide a State for Palestinians??
You are factually calling for the USA to provide a sovereign State for Hispanics in the USA.

That you don't know about Bedouins, rural and urban Mid-Eastern Muslims, Palestinians or Lebanese is understood. Factually you and your alike don't even know what an ARAB supposedly is. Ever watched the movie or even better, read the book "Lawrence of Arabia"?
It's a term that derives from the Greeks/Romans having named a specific part of the Middle-East, ARABIA. - namely the territory that nowadays comprises of Saudi-ARABIA and it's immediate Bedouin neighborhood.

It was then the British and French that termed their Mandates to be Arab countries, due to a language written and termed Arabic. During the e.g. Crusades no such thing as ARABS even existed - they were termed according to their local origins and culture, Bedouins, Mohammedans, Cordoba's, Berbers or e.g. Seljuk's or e.g. Fatamits.

Christian kingdoms simply called ALL of them Muslims or Islamic Kingdoms/Caliphates and termed the writing and language used by Bedouins (their language evolving from around 100 AD onward) and spread throughout the Middle-east and Africa via the Bedouins Islamic Conquest to be termed Arabic. In contra to the e.g. TURKIC language used by the Ottomans.

Before the Bedouins Islamic Conquest (around 650AD to 800 AD) those "ARAB" countries spoke Greek/Roman languages intermixed with the remnants of the former Persian or Assyrian languages. And the vast majority of their population, until today were and are NOT Bedouins. Exception being those British created countries, Jordan and Kuwait.

Saladin was NEVER an Arab - but a Kurd who ruled as Sultan over Egypt and Syria. And the Muslims never referred to the crusaders as Europeans - but termed them as FRANKS. Therefore according to you - All Europeans and European Americans should be called Franks.

Again - YOU have absolutely no clue whatsoever, in regards to this topic.

BTW - those around 300,000 BEDOUINS living in Israel and holding Israeli passports - NEVER referred to themselves as being Palestinians.

 

[MJB12741]

What responsibility or ethnically founded reason would the Bedouin populated and ruled country of Jordan have, to provide a State for Palestinians??
You are factually calling for the USA to provide a sovereign State for Hispanics in the USA.

That you don't know about Bedouins, rural and urban Mid-Eastern Muslims, Palestinians or Lebanese is understood. Factually you and your alike don't even know what an ARAB supposedly is. Ever watched the movie or even better, read the book "Lawrence of Arabia"?
It's a term that derives from the Greeks/Romans having named a specific part of the Middle-East, ARABIA. - namely the territory that nowadays comprises of Saudi-ARABIA and it's immediate Bedouin neighborhood.

It was then the British and French that termed their Mandates to be Arab countries, due to a language written and termed Arabic. During the e.g. Crusades no such thing as ARABS even existed - they were termed according to their local origins and culture, Bedouins, Mohammedans, Cordoba's, Berbers or e.g. Seljuk's or e.g. Fatamits.

Christian kingdoms simply called ALL of them Muslims or Islamic Kingdoms/Caliphates and termed the writing and language used by Bedouins (their language evolving from around 100 AD onward) and spread throughout the Middle-east and Africa via the Bedouins Islamic Conquest to be termed Arabic. In contra to the e.g. TURKIC language used by the Ottomans.

Before the Bedouins Islamic Conquest (around 650AD to 800 AD) those "ARAB" countries spoke Greek/Roman languages intermixed with the remnants of the former Persian or Assyrian languages. And the vast majority of their population, until today were and are NOT Bedouins. Exception being those British created countries, Jordan and Kuwait.

Saladin was NEVER an Arab - but a Kurd who ruled as Sultan over Egypt and Syria. And the Muslims never referred to the crusaders as Europeans - but termed them as FRANKS. Therefore according to you - All Europeans and European Americans should be called Franks.

Again - YOU have absolutely no clue whatsoever, in regards to this topic.

BTW - those around 300,000 BEDOUINS living in Israel and holding Israeli passports - NEVER referred to themselves as being Palestinians.

Yeah right. King Husseins Black September massacre was against Bedouins , not Palestinians. Right Dopey?

 

[gipper]

Yeah right. King Husseins Black September massacre was against Bedouins , not Palestinians. Right Dopey?

Maybe you can answer this simple question.

How many children can Israel murder and starve before you pull your support?

Oh and by the way, have you ever heard of Nabka, Operation Cast Lead, Operation Protective Edge, Mowing the lawn, or any of the other many massacres committed by Israel since 1948?

 

[MJB12741]

Maybe you can answer this simple question.

How many children can Israel murder and starve before you pull your support?

Oh and by the way, have you ever heard of Nabka, Operation Cast Lead, Operation Protective Edge, Mowing the lawn, or any of the other many massacres committed by Israel since 1948?

First let me correct you. Its Nakba, not "Nabka." To Answer your question I do not like wars & do not wish anyone dead in any war on either side. However, somtimes after all else has been tried to prevent a war only war can bring peace. For example, if not for war, Hitler would have ruled most of the world. If not for war, Japan would not be an American ally & trading partner. And if not for war, Jordan would still have a never ending Palestinian conflict beginning with 'ole Yassar.

That being said do think maybe Hamas made a terrible mistake attacking Israel, killing around 1400 Israeli's, taking hostages many of whom are still not released & not expecting Israel to retaliate while Palestinians celebrated what Hamas had started? After all, without that attack over 30,000 Palestinians, a good many who were innocent children would still be alive. So you see, how many can Israel kill depends on Hamas.

 

[gipper]

First let me correct you. Its Nakba, not "Nabka." To Answer your question I do not like wars & do not wish anyone dead in any war on either side. However, somtimes after all else has been tried to prevent a war only war can bring peace. For example, if not for war, Hitler would have ruled most of the world. If not for war, Japan would not be an American ally & trading partner. And if not for war, Jordan would still have a never ending Palestinian conflict beginning with 'ole Yassar.

That being said do think maybe Hamas made a terrible mistake attacking Israel, killing around 1400 Israeli's, taking hostages many of whom are still not released & not expecting Israel to retaliate while Palestinians celebrated what Hamas had started? After all, without that attack over 30,000 Palestinians, a good many who were innocent children would still be alive. So you see, how many can Israel kill depends on Hamas.

Everything you know is wrong. Israel is a racist apartheid authoritarian regime, with a long history of mass murder.

Citing WWII is ignorance. Not applicable. Warmongers always cite WWII to justify mass killing.

Israel is the aggressor and oppressor, but dumb Americans have been told by their state media they are the victims. Stop accepting propaganda as truth.

You know how to spell Nakba, but don’t know what it is.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You know how to spell Nakba, but don’t know what it is.

The beginning of non-stop Arab whining.
You fought, you lost, get over it.
Every time you attack Israel you get a boot in your ass.
Just stop.

 

[Shusha]

Maybe you can answer this simple question.

How many children can Israel murder and starve before you pull your support?

This is where I think we talk past each other in the discussions. The one "side" measures in numbers of dead, the other in outcome.

You keep asking "how many?" but it is a nonsense question for us. There is no number. There is no measurement of 2000 dead is acceptable, but 2001 dead is too many. Or 40,000 dead is acceptable, but 40,001 is too many.

It is not about numbers, it is about ensuring the safety of Israeli citizens. For Israel to be safe, in the near future, Hamas must be dismantled and all capacity for repeating an attack similar to October 7 must be destroyed. We hope, and expect, that this can be accomplished with the smallest number of civilian casualties possible, whatever that number is.

And every single death is the responsibility of Hamas.

 

[gipper]

This is where I think we talk past each other in the discussions. The one "side" measures in numbers of dead, the other in outcome.

You keep asking "how many?" but it is a nonsense question for us. There is no number. There is no measurement of 2000 dead is acceptable, but 2001 dead is too many. Or 40,000 dead is acceptable, but 40,001 is too many.

It is not about numbers, it is about ensuring the safety of Israeli citizens. For Israel to be safe, in the near future, Hamas must be dismantled and all capacity for repeating an attack similar to October 7 must be destroyed. We hope, and expect, that this can be accomplished with the smallest number of civilian casualties possible, whatever that number is.

And every single death is the responsibility of Hamas.

Blaming Hamas for Israel’s genocide is utter and complete ignorance. If it helps you with your guilt, so be it.

You and Joe Stalin have much in common.

"The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of millions is a statistic."​

 

[MJB12741]

Everything you know is wrong. Israel is a racist apartheid authoritarian regime, with a long history of mass murder.

Citing WWII is ignorance. Not applicable. Warmongers always cite WWII to justify mass killing.

Israel is the aggressor and oppressor, but dumb Americans have been told by their state media they are the victims. Stop accepting propaganda as truth.

You know how to spell Nakba, but don’t know what it is.

Trying to educate you & your ilk is like trying to make something fly without an engine, wings, tail, wind or fuel. But you dummies sure are fun to play with.

 

[Kruska]

Yeah right. King Husseins Black September massacre was against Bedouins , not Palestinians. Right Dopey?

I never stated that - you lying imbecile.

King Hussein - attacked the PALESTINIAN refugees in 1970 - because the PLO had tried to take over forcefully his BEDOUIN kingdom, since Hussein had refused to hand over, the by Jordan occupied West-bank, from 1949-1967 to the Palestinians.

Upon Israel having occupied the West-Bank in 1967 - the PLO was well aware, that they would not be able to form an own country. Despite the UN, having defined the Green line to be Israels border. Thus EXCLUDING the West-bank and Gaza to be Israeli territory.

Due to neither the UN, nor the USA or any other country - enforcing Israels pullout of the West-bank and Gaza - a faction of the PLO decided to take terrorist actions against ALL countries that are in support of Israels "illegal" occupation of the West-bank and Gaza - thus creating Black September in 1971 and deploying INTERNATIONAL terrorism as it's means to gain an own sovereign Palestinian State.

Therefore the ZIONISTS attack onto Palestinians in 1948, thus creating the Palestinian-Refugee issue, and it's refusal to hand over the West-bank and Gaza to the Palestinians, Jordan's previous refusal to hand over the West-bank, and Egypt's previous refusal to hand over Gaza to the Palestinians created INTERNATIONAL Islamic terrorism - plaguing the ENTIRE world until TODAY, and resulting in far more death of non-Jews - then Israeli-Jews. And those Zionists hypocritically portraying themselves, as being the sole victim and target of Islamic terrorism - see October 7th.

Egypt (1978) and Jordan (1988) renounced their territorial claims towards the West-Bank and Gaza - whilst Israel aka the Zionists continued to refuse, recognizing Gaza and the West-bank to be sovereign Palestinian territory aka a sovereign Palestinian state, killing, murdering, supressing Palestinians, whilst robbing them of their lands, thus even intensifying International Islamic terrorism since latest 1982 - upon having attacked the sovereign state of Lebanon - and then keep on constantly whining about facing Islamic terrorist reprisal actions.

You ain't even a dopey - just a plain lying imbecile, intentionally spewing misinformation and hatred. aka a RADICAL ZIONIST.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I never stated that - you lying imbecile.

King Hussein - attacked the PALESTINIAN refugees in 1970 - because the PLO had tried to take over forcefully his BEDOUIN kingdom, since Hussein had refused to hand over, the by Jordan occupied West-bank, from 1949-1967 to the Palestinians.

Upon Israel having occupied the West-Bank in 1967 - the PLO was well aware, that they would not be able to form an own country. Despite the UN, having defined the Green line to be Israels border. Thus EXCLUDING the West-bank and Gaza to be Israeli territory.

Due to neither the UN, nor the USA or any other country - enforcing Israels pullout of the West-bank and Gaza - a faction of the PLO decided to take terrorist actions against ALL countries that are in support of Israels "illegal" occupation of the West-bank and Gaza - thus creating Black September in 1971 and deploying INTERNATIONAL terrorism as it's means to gain an own sovereign Palestinian State.

Therefore the ZIONISTS attack onto Palestinians in 1948, thus creating the Palestinian-Refugee issue, and it's refusal to hand over the West-bank and Gaza to the Palestinians, Jordan's previous refusal to hand over the West-bank, and Egypt's previous refusal to hand over Gaza to the Palestinians created INTERNATIONAL Islamic terrorism - plaguing the ENTIRE world until TODAY, and resulting in far more death of non-Jews - then Israeli-Jews. And those Zionists hypocritically portraying themselves, as being the sole victim and target of Islamic terrorism - see October 7th.

Egypt (1978) and Jordan (1988) renounced their territorial claims towards the West-Bank and Gaza - whilst Israel aka the Zionists continued to refuse, recognizing Gaza and the West-bank to be sovereign Palestinian territory aka a sovereign Palestinian state, killing, murdering, supressing Palestinians, whilst robbing them of their lands, thus even intensifying International Islamic terrorism since latest 1982 - upon having attacked the sovereign state of Lebanon - and then keep on constantly whining about facing Islamic terrorist reprisal actions.

You ain't even a dopey - just a plain lying imbecile, intentionally spewing misinformation and hatred. aka a RADICAL ZIONIST.

Despite the UN, having defined the Green line to be Israels border. Thus EXCLUDING the West-bank and Gaza to be Israeli territory.

The UN decided that? LOL!

Due to neither the UN, nor the USA or any other country - enforcing Israels pullout of the West-bank and Gaza

Not enforcing their pullout? That's funny.

thus creating Black September in 1971 and deploying INTERNATIONAL terrorism as it's means to gain an own sovereign Palestinian State.

And you want to reward them for their terrorism.

 

[JohnDB]

 

[MJB12741]

Outstanding post with documented facts.

 

[Shusha]

Despite the UN, having defined the Green line to be Israels border. Thus EXCLUDING the West-bank and Gaza to be Israeli territory.

I'd be interested in knowing your source for the UN having the authority to determine the boundaries of a sovereign State, especially in contravention of a treaty.

I mean, seriously, follow this to its logical conclusion. The UN can unilaterally just change the boundary of a State? USA needs to be smaller and Mexico needs to be bigger, let's just create a new boundary?

 

[Kruska]

I'd be interested in knowing your source for the UN having the authority to determine the boundaries of a sovereign State, especially in contravention of a treaty.

I mean, seriously, follow this to its logical conclusion. The UN can unilaterally just change the boundary of a State? USA needs to be smaller and Mexico needs to be bigger, let's just create a new boundary?

The UN assembly didn't change the border of the Israel - you nitwit, it acknowledged Israels borders as being defined by the Green Line - in 1949, thus excluding the West-bank and Gaza, that at the time was occupied by Egypt and Jordan. And the Green Line wasn't defined by the UN, but ???? And furthermore the UN until today never acknowledged the West-bank nor Gaza as belonging to Israel.

Again - stop wasting my time- start reading up books and LEARN about the Israel-Palestinian conflict - instead of posting one stupid statement after the other.

 

[surada]

Can you excuse Hamas who invaded Israel and killed humans there? Before Israel hit them back?

Why excuse Hamas? The Christians and Muslim Palestinians tried desperately to prevent the founding of Hamas.

 

[Lastamender]

Why excuse Hamas? The Christians and Muslim Palestinians tried desperately to prevent the founding of Hamas.

Really? Why did they elect them?