1000 mile range, 5 minute charge

[MarathonMike]

1,000 kilometres

600 miles on a 5 minute charge is also a pile of doggy-do.

 

[Old Rocks]

Show me Tesla own website touting the battery, I tried to find the news of it, nothing. Maybe YOU can find it.

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[The Duke]

And now, a dose of reality...

AI Overview

Aluminum batteries, particularly aluminum-air batteries, face several hazards including corrosion, passivation, and short lifespan. They also struggle with rechargeability and achieving high efficiency. Furthermore, the formation of dendrites during charging can lead to short circuits and potential safety risks.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:
1. Corrosion and Passivation:

• Aluminum readily corrodes, especially in the presence of electrolytes, and forms a passivating oxide layer.
• This corrosion reduces battery performance by decreasing voltage and efficiency.
• The oxide layer also hinders ion movement, affecting discharge kinetics.
• Impurities in aluminum can exacerbate these issues.

2. Short Lifespan and Rechargeability Issues:

• Aluminum-air batteries, in their current state, are often non-rechargeable.
• Even rechargeable variants can have short lifespans due to factors like corrosion and the formation of dendrites.
  
  
• Rechargeability is a major hurdle for aluminum batteries, hindering their widespread adoption.

3. Dendrite Formation:

• During charging, aluminum can deposit unevenly on the anode, forming dendrites.
• These dendrites can grow and bridge the gap between electrodes, causing short circuits.
• Short circuits can lead to battery failure and even pose safety hazards.

4. Other Challenges:

• High Self-Discharge: Aluminum batteries tend to lose charge even when not in use.
• Low Efficiency: Achieving high energy efficiency is a challenge for aluminum batteries.
  
  
• Temperature Sensitivity: Aluminum batteries can be sensitive to temperature fluctuations, affecting performance.
  
  
• Cost and Complexity: Some electrolytes used in aluminum batteries can be expensive and complex to manufacture.

5. Environmental Considerations:

• While aluminum is abundant, the extraction and processing of aluminum can have environmental impacts.
• Recycling aluminum batteries can also be challenging and may require specialized facilities.

I'm having problems with a Lithium battery pack or 2 right now!
That sounds worse. I have done some bad things, there's been some arcing. (in the past)
I put rubber over the metal. But yeah, it had almost full when I started and only went about 7 miles and it died, and supposed to be a 20Ah battery. It's on an e-bike. Battery is not new, could be degraded.
That "clean the terminals with a brass brush" thing was bad, too. That was "bap".

 

[The Duke]

600 miles on a 5 minute charge is also a pile of doggy-do.

I'll be charging my battery packs all night.
One does not simply shoot a full charge into battery packs in a few minutes.
The cells are very similar to Tesla cells, too.

 

[Sunsettommy]

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Tesla is working on aluminum-ion battery technology, which is expected to begin pilot production by late 2025. The first commercial applications are likely to appear in the 2026 "Model 2", aimed at being an affordable EV priced under $25,000. This Super Aluminum-Ion Battery promises better performance, lower costs, and faster charging times compared to current lithium-ion batteries. Additionally, it is designed to be cheaper, safer, and rely on more abundant materials. However, there is currently no official confirmation that the upcoming Model Y will feature this technology. Overall, aluminum-ion batteries could potentially replace lithium in Tesla's electric vehicles.
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I appreciate your efforts here, but you didn't answer my specific question.

"Show me Tesla own website touting the battery, I tried to find the news of it, nothing. Maybe YOU can find it."

I am aware of other websites making claims but NONE of them refers to Tesla making such announcement which is the standard way of reporting credible information.

 

[toobfreak]

LOL The batteries in question are aluminum graphene, not aluminum air. Now I have seen all the doubters of technology on this board say that the Toyota hybrid would never make it, that Tesla would never be anything but a niche auto, and then go bust.

I believe this will save the EV industry, but problems remain:

1. Without an electric grid TWICE the size of the current one, we will have a big problem going all electric. That is without even considering AI.
2. EVs are still a LOT more expensive than gas autos. What, 40% more on average?
3. EVs generally under-perform in real cold or real hot weather.

 

[toobfreak]

LOL, you really trying hard to show how stupid you are since HOMES doesn't have megawatt lines into them they are commonly set at no more than 240 volts and 100-200 amps.

Not true. I have my own substation in my backyard tied directly to a high-tension tower on the grid! Megawatt schmegawatt. I can light up florescent tubes in my hand just from the electric field!

Electrical service reaches your home from the power utility through two 120-volt service wires that offer a combined 240 volts of power

Actually, or more accurately, most homes operate off of 220VAC split-phase, meaning that the local stepdown transformer on the pole feeds 220 to your house grounded midway between the two taps. That way, you can either access the full 220VAC to run stuff like your stove, dryer and furnace, or just a single phase between one tap and ground to access 120 single phase.

 

[ReinyDays]

I'm having problems with a Lithium battery pack or 2 right now!
That sounds worse. I have done some bad things, there's been some arcing. (in the past)
I put rubber over the metal. But yeah, it had almost full when I started and only went about 7 miles and it died, and supposed to be a 20Ah battery. It's on an e-bike. Battery is not new, could be degraded.
That "clean the terminals with a brass brush" thing was bad, too. That was "bap".

500 W at 48 VDC requires 10 amps ... or about 2 hours with a 20 Ah battery ... 3-1/2 mph? ... isn't 500 Ah more standard on e-bikes? ...

Maybe clean the terminals with a brass brush ...

 

[The Duke]

I believe this will save the EV industry, but problems remain:

1. Without an electric grid TWICE the size of the current one, we will have a big problem going all electric. That is without even considering AI.
2. EVs are still a LOT more expensive than gas autos. What, 40% more on average?
3. EVs generally under-perform in real cold or real hot weather.

EVs are a no-go when it's freezing.

 

[ReinyDays]

EVs are a no-go when it's freezing.

The mistake here is living where it freezes ... land is cheap in Alabama ...

Expanding on toobfreak's fine post ... anything with any weight won't work with EVs, farm to railhead will be diesel ... now electrifying the railroads with a third rail or overhead is "off-the-shelf" technology ... easy peasy ... the advantage here is jacking up the voltage, lowering current, for the same power ... take the big rigs off the highways along with passenger vehicles ...

 

[Old Rocks]

Yeah? So? That's a drop in the bucket and doesn't address your constant yap flapping about new batteries that never appear.

DURRRRRR

LOL Must you continue to prove what an uninformed ass you are? Huge iron-air battery being constructed by Form in Maine as we post. A smaller outfit in Wilsonville, Oregon is manufacturing iron-air batteries also. LFP batteries are powering many of the lesser range vehicles because of cost and life span of the battery. Both Toyota and Tesla state they are engaged in manufacturing the Al batteries as we post. I think those horse turds you are standing in have about reached knee level for you.

 

[Old Rocks]

LOL, you really trying hard to show how stupid you are since HOMES doesn't have megawatt lines into them they are commonly set at no more than 240 volts and 100-200 amps.

1 Megawatt = 1,000 kilowatt

The standard plug in in the house is usually 120 and 15 amps.

Last month my house in a 31 day period consumed 595 kilowatts.

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The Spruce

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The main electrical service delivered to your house from the electrical utility company has a total available capacity, measured in amps, or amperes. Most homes have an electrical service of between 100 to 200 amps. Amperage is a measurement of the volume of electricity flowing through wires, and this measurement can vary between 30 amps in very old homes that have not been updated to as much as 400 amps in a very large home with extensive electric heating systems.

How Electrical Current Reaches Your Home​

Electrical service reaches your home from the power utility through two 120-volt service wires that offer a combined 240 volts of power (voltage is a measurement of electricity's pressure or rate of flow). The main electrical service reaches your home either through overhead service wires that enter a service mast and pass down through an electrical meter into your home or through underground wires that also pass through an electrical meter. The first stop for the electrical service once it enters your home is the main service panel.

LINK

And just what does all of this have to do with the power a substation is handling? Just flap-yap to conceal your ignorance.

 

[Old Rocks]

The mistake here is living where it freezes ... land is cheap in Alabama ...

Expanding on toobfreak's fine post ... anything with any weight won't work with EVs, farm to railhead will be diesel ... now electrifying the railroads with a third rail or overhead is "off-the-shelf" technology ... easy peasy ... the advantage here is jacking up the voltage, lowering current, for the same power ... take the big rigs off the highways along with passenger vehicles ...

With present batteries, Tesla is already producing trucks with 500 mile range with full legal load. With the Al batteries, they can double that range.

 

[Old Rocks]

EVs are a no-go when it's freezing.

Once again, someone with an inability to read or listen to a video with understanding. As stated in the video, there is little temperature degradation with the Al batteries down to -40.

 

[Old Rocks]

leftwinger had it right ... power in watts = current in amps times voltage in volts ...

A million watts is 1,000 amps at 1,000 V ... AC or DC ... for me it's more fear why I'd hire an electrician ... or stick with lead/acid batteries, it's just a lil' pod car for commuting and grocery shopping ...

12 volt system, that's 83,000 amperes ...

Please do a bit of research. Tesla batteries run at over 350 volts. Some at over 400 volts.
"Tesla battery voltage typically ranges between 350 and 450 volts, depending on the model and generation. This high-voltage system is what gives Teslas their impressive acceleration, extended range, and efficient energy use.

Unlike standard 12-volt car batteries used for basic functions like lights and infotainment, Tesla’s main battery pack is a high-voltage lithium-ion system that powers the electric motor and enables long-distance travel on a single charge."

Tesla’s Battery Voltage - Voltagebasics.com

Understand Tesla’s battery voltage, how it affects performance, range, and longevity—plus key differences across Tesla models.

voltagebasics.com

 

[The Duke]

Once again, someone with an inability to read or listen to a video with understanding. As stated in the video, there is little temperature degradation with the Al batteries down to -40.

Old Rocks moron that knows jack shit about battery packs like are in the Teslas.

 

[Sunsettommy]

And just what does all of this have to do with the power a substation is handling? Just flap-yap to conceal your ignorance.

Did you write this howler:

And the substations are not megawatt?

Which was a reply to this,

He is talking about MEGAWATT charger.......

Meanwhile your failure is growing over this question you never answered,

"Show me Tesla own website touting the battery, I tried to find the news of it, nothing. Maybe YOU can find it."

The video is click bait now unless YOU can answer the simple question........

 

[Eman623]

You keep falling for these pie in the sky EV charging and range numbers. Those numbers don't even deserve to be called absurd. Come on, wake up. 1000 miles on a 5 minute charge? In what universe?

That's a lotta current flowing through the charging cable. I'd be worried about it literally melting. It would need to be supercooled and/or a foot in diameter.

 

[The Duke]

I appreciate your efforts here, but you didn't answer my specific question.

"Show me Tesla own website touting the battery, I tried to find the news of it, nothing. Maybe YOU can find it."

I am aware of other websites making claims but NONE of them refers to Tesla making such announcement which is the standard way of reporting credible information.

Only thing Musk is touting is robot videos and Grok Imagine.

 

[The Duke]

LOL, you really trying hard to show how stupid you are since HOMES doesn't have megawatt lines into them they are commonly set at no more than 240 volts and 100-200 amps.

1 Megawatt = 1,000 kilowatt

The standard plug in in the house is usually 120 and 15 amps.

Last month my house in a 31 day period consumed 595 kilowatts.

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The Spruce

Excerpt:

The main electrical service delivered to your house from the electrical utility company has a total available capacity, measured in amps, or amperes. Most homes have an electrical service of between 100 to 200 amps. Amperage is a measurement of the volume of electricity flowing through wires, and this measurement can vary between 30 amps in very old homes that have not been updated to as much as 400 amps in a very largehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtS-v-Vm55U home with extensive electric heating systems.

How Electrical Current Reaches Your Home​

Electrical service reaches your home from the power utility through two 120-volt service wires that offer a combined 240 volts of power (voltage is a measurement of electricity's pressure or rate of flow). The main electrical service reaches your home either through overhead service wires that enter a service mast and pass down through an electrical meter into your home or through underground wires that also pass through an electrical meter. The first stop for the electrical service once it enters your home is the main service panel.

LINK

I am jealous of your low electrical consumption.
Mine was something like 1300 which is over the limit where they jack the rate 50% more or so.
In FL, that limit should be around 1200 for the average household anyway, but the power company sets the rules.
They have it set at 1000 before the gimormous rate increase, and that's unrealistic for almost everyone.
Trying to keep the house cool 'round heanh. I cannot go back to the days of the AC only coming on
10 days a year, nono.
It was like that when I was growing up, and very hot.