1000 mile range, 5 minute charge

[The Duke]

Toyota just developed and started manufacture of aluminum batteries with 1000 mile range, and 5 minutes. No fire hazard, no exotic metals, and already tested by third parties. This battery looks to be usable over the spectrum of battery uses, grid scale utility, EV's, residential batteries. Seriously disruptive technology;

Batteries like that can't charge that fast, moron. Also I doubt the 1K mile range.
How many Lithium batteries do you have?
That's some fantasy BS.

 

[The Duke]

That's a game changer

If true, but it's not.

 

[JGalt]

And now, a dose of reality...

AI Overview

Aluminum batteries, particularly aluminum-air batteries, face several hazards including corrosion, passivation, and short lifespan. They also struggle with rechargeability and achieving high efficiency. Furthermore, the formation of dendrites during charging can lead to short circuits and potential safety risks.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:
1. Corrosion and Passivation:

• Aluminum readily corrodes, especially in the presence of electrolytes, and forms a passivating oxide layer.
• This corrosion reduces battery performance by decreasing voltage and efficiency.
• The oxide layer also hinders ion movement, affecting discharge kinetics.
• Impurities in aluminum can exacerbate these issues.
  

2. Short Lifespan and Rechargeability Issues:

• Aluminum-air batteries, in their current state, are often non-rechargeable.
  

• Even rechargeable variants can have short lifespans due to factors like corrosion and the formation of dendrites.
  
  
• Rechargeability is a major hurdle for aluminum batteries, hindering their widespread adoption.
  

3. Dendrite Formation:

• During charging, aluminum can deposit unevenly on the anode, forming dendrites.
• These dendrites can grow and bridge the gap between electrodes, causing short circuits.
• Short circuits can lead to battery failure and even pose safety hazards.
  

4. Other Challenges:

• High Self-Discharge: Aluminum batteries tend to lose charge even when not in use.

• Low Efficiency: Achieving high energy efficiency is a challenge for aluminum batteries.
  
  
• Temperature Sensitivity: Aluminum batteries can be sensitive to temperature fluctuations, affecting performance.
  
  
• Cost and Complexity: Some electrolytes used in aluminum batteries can be expensive and complex to manufacture.
  

5. Environmental Considerations:

• While aluminum is abundant, the extraction and processing of aluminum can have environmental impacts.
  

• Recycling aluminum batteries can also be challenging and may require specialized facilities.
  

 

[Old Rocks]

After searching through the Toyota's own website, watching this video Old Rocks posted and the comments with the video indicate this is a bogus claim as I can't find hard evidence Toyota actually developed it.


Here is a few comments from Old Rocks video,

"Interesting, but I've also seen a video about Tesla and an aluminum ion battery. All of the video clips are identical to the clips in this video."

"Seems like a fake video. Because I searched the net and didn't find any real news about aluminum ion battery."

"This seems like an AI generated video. I would take what they say lightly. Google says that Toyota just released a solid-state battery with a 1,000-mile range. More than likely that is what this video is talking about."

"Sorry but this doesn't pass the sniff test. Calcualte the Amps required to charge a 1000km-capable battery in 5 minutes. That sniff is the not-too-faint scent of a smoking, incandescent heavy charge cable burning out."

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It is all bullshit!

No, Tesla's videos are not the same. Theirs has their model 2 at just over 800 miles, with a 10 minute charge. And there seem to be other battery manufacturers that are working on aluminum batteries. Here is a Tesla video;

 

[justoffal]

Mathing ...

A typical EV uses 15 kW-hrs per 100 miles ... or 150 kW-hrs for 1,000 miles ... re-charge in 5 minutes? ... that's 1.8 megawatts of power ... or 8,000 amperes of current @ 220 VAC ... unrealistic in our modern homes ... we'd need distribution system voltages ...

The video starts out with "What if I told you ...", that means it's all make-believe from there on out ... not one shred of truth ... the gullible have to gully I guess ...

I wouldn't want to be sitting in a vehicle hooked up to a megawatt charger. I have worked around utility grade substations and power generating stations for 30 years and I have seen what happens when they short out. High grade carbon steel cases vaporize immediately at 17,000° taking out anyone within 20 ft and seriously injuring anyone within 35 feet. It's one hell of a bang and something you don't forget.

 

[Old Rocks]

And now, a dose of reality...

AI Overview

Aluminum batteries, particularly aluminum-air batteries, face several hazards including corrosion, passivation, and short lifespan. They also struggle with rechargeability and achieving high efficiency. Furthermore, the formation of dendrites during charging can lead to short circuits and potential safety risks.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:
1. Corrosion and Passivation:

• Aluminum readily corrodes, especially in the presence of electrolytes, and forms a passivating oxide layer.
• This corrosion reduces battery performance by decreasing voltage and efficiency.
• The oxide layer also hinders ion movement, affecting discharge kinetics.
• Impurities in aluminum can exacerbate these issues.

2. Short Lifespan and Rechargeability Issues:

• Aluminum-air batteries, in their current state, are often non-rechargeable.
• Even rechargeable variants can have short lifespans due to factors like corrosion and the formation of dendrites.
  
  
• Rechargeability is a major hurdle for aluminum batteries, hindering their widespread adoption.

3. Dendrite Formation:

• During charging, aluminum can deposit unevenly on the anode, forming dendrites.
• These dendrites can grow and bridge the gap between electrodes, causing short circuits.
• Short circuits can lead to battery failure and even pose safety hazards.

4. Other Challenges:

• High Self-Discharge: Aluminum batteries tend to lose charge even when not in use.
• Low Efficiency: Achieving high energy efficiency is a challenge for aluminum batteries.
  
  
• Temperature Sensitivity: Aluminum batteries can be sensitive to temperature fluctuations, affecting performance.
  
  
• Cost and Complexity: Some electrolytes used in aluminum batteries can be expensive and complex to manufacture.

5. Environmental Considerations:

• While aluminum is abundant, the extraction and processing of aluminum can have environmental impacts.
• Recycling aluminum batteries can also be challenging and may require specialized facilities.

And now, a dose of reality...

AI Overview

Aluminum batteries, particularly aluminum-air batteries, face several hazards including corrosion, passivation, and short lifespan. They also struggle with rechargeability and achieving high efficiency. Furthermore, the formation of dendrites during charging can lead to short circuits and potential safety risks.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:
1. Corrosion and Passivation:

• Aluminum readily corrodes, especially in the presence of electrolytes, and forms a passivating oxide layer.
• This corrosion reduces battery performance by decreasing voltage and efficiency.
• The oxide layer also hinders ion movement, affecting discharge kinetics.
• Impurities in aluminum can exacerbate these issues.

2. Short Lifespan and Rechargeability Issues:

• Aluminum-air batteries, in their current state, are often non-rechargeable.
• Even rechargeable variants can have short lifespans due to factors like corrosion and the formation of dendrites.
  
  
• Rechargeability is a major hurdle for aluminum batteries, hindering their widespread adoption.

3. Dendrite Formation:

• During charging, aluminum can deposit unevenly on the anode, forming dendrites.
• These dendrites can grow and bridge the gap between electrodes, causing short circuits.
• Short circuits can lead to battery failure and even pose safety hazards.

4. Other Challenges:

• High Self-Discharge: Aluminum batteries tend to lose charge even when not in use.
• Low Efficiency: Achieving high energy efficiency is a challenge for aluminum batteries.
  
  
• Temperature Sensitivity: Aluminum batteries can be sensitive to temperature fluctuations, affecting performance.
  
  
• Cost and Complexity: Some electrolytes used in aluminum batteries can be expensive and complex to manufacture.

5. Environmental Considerations:

• While aluminum is abundant, the extraction and processing of aluminum can have environmental impacts.
• Recycling aluminum batteries can also be challenging and may require specialized facilities.

LOL The batteries in question are aluminum graphene, not aluminum air. Now I have seen all the doubters of technology on this board say that the Toyota hybrid would never make it, that Tesla would never be anything but a niche auto, and then go bust. So now you are saying that Toyota and Tesla, two of the biggest auto companies in the world, are dealing in bullshit. LOL Judging on past performance, their record far exceeds yours in accurate prediction on what works.

 

[Old Rocks]

I wouldn't want to be sitting in a vehicle hooked up to a megawatt charger. I have worked around utility grade substations and power generating stations for 30 years and I have seen what happens when they short out. High grade carbon steel cases vaporize immediately at 17,000° taking out anyone within 20 ft and seriously injuring anyone within 35 feet. It's one hell of a bang and something you don't forget.

LOL And how many of those are there in just the US? Seems like they work well enough that industry considers them safe. Much safer than coal mines.

 

[westwall]

LOL The batteries in question are aluminum graphene, not aluminum air. Now I have seen all the doubters of technology on this board say that the Toyota hybrid would never make it, that Tesla would never be anything but a niche auto, and then go bust. So now you are saying that Toyota and Tesla, two of the biggest auto companies in the world, are dealing in bullshit. LOL Judging on past performance, their record far exceeds yours in accurate prediction on what works.

Oh? You have been flapping your gums for YEARS about all these new batteries coming that will revolutionize EV's.

So far you, and they, are 0 for 0.

 

[Sunsettommy]

No, Tesla's videos are not the same. Theirs has their model 2 at just over 800 miles, with a 10 minute charge. And there seem to be other battery manufacturers that are working on aluminum batteries. Here is a Tesla video;

Show me Tesla own website touting the battery, I tried to find the news of it, nothing. Maybe YOU can find it.

 

[Sunsettommy]

LOL And how many of those are there in just the US? Seems like they work well enough that industry considers them safe. Much safer than coal mines.

He is talking about MEGAWATT charger.......

 

[Old Rocks]

Oh? You have been flapping your gums for YEARS about all these new batteries coming that will revolutionize EV's.

So far you, and they, are 0 for 0.

LOL Still denying reality, Wallyeyes? You see, There were 1.3 million EV's sold in the US last year and 17.1 million sold worldwide last year. And the range on the EV's has changed from around 150 to 200 miles, to over 400 miles. Life span on the batteries has also vastly increased. So far you have proven yourself to be an uneducated yokel standing in the horse turds by the highway yelling " Get a Horse". Pretty much you are zero for zero on everything you have ever posted.

 

[Old Rocks]

He is talking about MEGAWATT charger.......

And the substations are not megawatt?

 

[westwall]

LOL Still denying reality, Wallyeyes? You see, There were 1.3 million EV's sold in the US last year and 17.1 million sold worldwide last year. And the range on the EV's has changed from around 150 to 200 miles, to over 400 miles. Life span on the batteries has also vastly increased. So far you have proven yourself to be an uneducated yokel standing in the horse turds by the highway yelling " Get a Horse". Pretty much you are zero for zero on everything you have ever posted.

Yeah? So? That's a drop in the bucket and doesn't address your constant yap flapping about new batteries that never appear.

DURRRRRR

 

[ReinyDays]

I wouldn't want to be sitting in a vehicle hooked up to a megawatt charger. I have worked around utility grade substations and power generating stations for 30 years and I have seen what happens when they short out. High grade carbon steel cases vaporize immediately at 17,000° taking out anyone within 20 ft and seriously injuring anyone within 35 feet. It's one hell of a bang and something you don't forget.

That's about 8,000 VAC ... isn't it? ... we're down to 225 amps now ... just about residential currents ...

I'm sure it wouldn't arc more than a foot ... [rolls eyes] ... we'll need something better than Home Depot light switches ...

 

[ReinyDays]

And the substations are not megawatt?

It's the 20 foot chain linked fence with razor wire on top that keeps these facilities safe ... even on industrial property ...

We'll be charging our EV's at home ... not at the local hydro-electric dam complex ... drive into Bonneville and ask about the mega-watt charging station they have ...

 

[justoffal]

LOL And how many of those are there in just the US? Seems like they work well enough that industry considers them safe. Much safer than coal mines.

I'm sure they are however so was a lot of the equipment I've worked with over the years...tested retested and approved for safety. It still blew up.
So if it only happens once in a while the person who happens to be there at the time is toast and won't be around to realize that he's just one little statistic that went wrong.

 

[justoffal]

That's about 8,000 VAC ... isn't it? ... we're down to 225 amps now ... just about residential currents ...

I'm sure it wouldn't arc more than a foot ... [rolls eyes] ... we'll need something better than Home Depot light switches ...

Haven't done the math on it.... Anything that uses the term megawatt in its name immediately gets my respect and fear. Anyone who takes it lightly is an idiot and I see we have a few of those here.

The fast chargers that we have here now are 600 volt DC and my car never does anymore than 24 kw rate...it tapers off as the charge rises so the batteries don't cook. I try to do the fast charging as little as possible because it's really not healthy for the battery pack.

Just before I left the major utility plant I was at for 15 years we had a Self resetting breaker get stuck after shut down and restart. It was hidden because two of the three legs closed but one of them didn't. We saw the crippled signal in the synchronizing monitor but couldn't figure out where it was coming from. Well sir it didn't take long before we heard the explosion which was about 75 ft from the control room and one floor down. That was I believe 5 megawatts at the time and the hole that it left in the switch gear was pretty impressive. There was literally an 8 ft wide section missing that had vaporized.... Not melted.... Vaporized. Try forgetting that once you see it.

 

[ReinyDays]

Haven't done the math on it.... Anything that uses the term megawatt in its name immediately gets my respect and fear. Anyone who takes it lightly is an idiot and I see we have a few of those here.

The fast chargers that we have here now are 600 volt DC and my car never does anymore than 24 kw rate...it tapers off as the charge rises so the batteries don't cook. I try to do the fast charging as little as possible because it's really not healthy for the battery pack.

Just before I left the major utility plant I was at for 15 years we had a Self resetting breaker get stuck after shut down and restart. It was hidden because two of the three legs closed but one of them didn't. We saw the crippled signal in the synchronizing monitor but couldn't figure out where it was coming from. Well sir it didn't take long before we heard the explosion which was about 75 ft from the control room and one floor down. That was I believe 5 megawatts at the time and the hole that it left in the switch gear was pretty impressive. There was literally an 8 ft wide section missing that had vaporized.... Not melted.... Vaporized. Try forgetting that once you see it.

leftwinger had it right ... power in watts = current in amps times voltage in volts ...

A million watts is 1,000 amps at 1,000 V ... AC or DC ... for me it's more fear why I'd hire an electrician ... or stick with lead/acid batteries, it's just a lil' pod car for commuting and grocery shopping ...

12 volt system, that's 83,000 amperes ...

 

[Sunsettommy]

No, Tesla's videos are not the same. Theirs has their model 2 at just over 800 miles, with a 10 minute charge. And there seem to be other battery manufacturers that are working on aluminum batteries. Here is a Tesla video;

Second time I ask you this question:

"Show me Tesla own website touting the battery, I tried to find the news of it, nothing. Maybe YOU can find it."

Why did you ignore it?

 

[Sunsettommy]

And the substations are not megawatt?

LOL, you really trying hard to show how stupid you are since HOMES doesn't have megawatt lines into them they are commonly set at no more than 240 volts and 100-200 amps.

1 Megawatt = 1,000 kilowatt

The standard plug in in the house is usually 120 and 15 amps.

Last month my house in a 31 day period consumed 595 kilowatts.

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The Spruce

Excerpt:

The main electrical service delivered to your house from the electrical utility company has a total available capacity, measured in amps, or amperes. Most homes have an electrical service of between 100 to 200 amps. Amperage is a measurement of the volume of electricity flowing through wires, and this measurement can vary between 30 amps in very old homes that have not been updated to as much as 400 amps in a very large home with extensive electric heating systems.

How Electrical Current Reaches Your Home​

Electrical service reaches your home from the power utility through two 120-volt service wires that offer a combined 240 volts of power (voltage is a measurement of electricity's pressure or rate of flow). The main electrical service reaches your home either through overhead service wires that enter a service mast and pass down through an electrical meter into your home or through underground wires that also pass through an electrical meter. The first stop for the electrical service once it enters your home is the main service panel.

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