10.9 million people would lose health insurance under Trump's tax cut bill, CBO projects

[g5000]

There are about 10 million able-bodied adults without children who are NOT working at all.

Link?

You heard that from some lying bloviating dipshit on Fox News, didn't you.

Let's see your evidence.

 

[g5000]

Of the ABAWDs on Medicaid, 8.1 million (58 percent) worked 80 or more hours in December of 2022. Another 1.5 million worked 80 or more hours in a prior month in 2022 while another 0.3 million had been enrolled in Medicaid for less than a year. Combining all three of these figures shows that there are only 4 million ABAWDS who are persistently enrolled in Medicaid and work fewer than 80 hours a month. This is about 29 percent of ABAWDs, 5 percent of all Medicaid recipients, and 1 percent of the US population.

First, the AEI figures only count people as disabled if they are currently receiving SSI or some other kind of disability benefit. But not everyone who is disabled is currently receiving disability benefits. Some individuals have short-term disabilities. Others are receiving Medicaid while they work through the disability determination process, which can take years. Still others have fallen through the cracks of the disability benefit system in one way or another.

Luckily, in addition to collecting income information, SIPP directly asks people whether they have a disability that makes it difficult for them to work or find employment and asks people whether they have one of the six core disabilities — seeing, hearing, walking, dressing/bathing, doing errands alone, or cognitive problems — regularly tracked by the Census. Including individuals that answer yes to these questions results in another 8.8 million disabled people that AEI wrongly counts as able-bodied.
Second, in addition to looking at whether individuals worked 80+ hours in December 2022, I used the longitudinal features of the SIPP to see how many worked 80+ hours in one of the other months of 2022 and how many had been enrolled in Medicaid for less than a year. Individuals in these latter two groups are not persistently workless Medicaid users of the sort conservatives want people to believe are extremely numerous in the Medicaid system.

Once these changes are made, what we find is that 71 percent, rather than 44 percent, of ABAWDs on Medicaid are not persistently workless dole scroungers. Of course, some of the 4 million people who end up in the residual “Everyone Else” bucket above are students and people who simply cannot find a job despite trying. Absolutely none of this suggests there is a serious social problem here in need of addressing.

Is There Really an Epidemic of Workless Medicaid Recipients?

A deep dive into the Survey of Income and Program Participation.

www.peoplespolicyproject.org

"Of the ABAWDs on Medicaid, 8.1 million (58 percent) worked 80 or more hours in December of 2022. Another 1.5 million worked 80 or more hours in a prior month in 2022".

As I said, most people on Medicaid work for employers who do not offer health insurance and throw them onto the taxpayers' dime.

 

[g5000]

It’s cheap if your income is moderate. Just go through Obamacare.

Define cheap. Start with someone working for minimum wage with a family. How much to insure them and their family on Obamacare?

Also, someone was bragging a couple days ago that Trump's BBB had repealed Obamacare.

 

[g5000]

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Of course you chose a Negro to represent the lazy and shiftless.

Of course you did.

 

[airplanemechanic]

Do you know how much it costs to buy your own health insurance?

Please explain how someone earning minimum wage is supposed to do that.

Go head. Explain.

Many, if not most, work two, sometimes three, jobs just to survive.

These people work for employers who don't offer health insurance. Their employers depend on you and me and every other taxpayer to pick up the tab.

And now you want to take THAT away from them, too?

Easy to explain.

One word.

OBAMACARE. You pushed it down our throats, use it.

Almost nobody is on minimum wage. And the few who are qualify for your ******* Obamacare that has very cheap rates.

In the United States, approximately 1.1% of hourly workers, or about 869,000 people, earned at or below the federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour in 2023. So why are you fighting for them? Should 99% of America suffer for 1% of America on minimum wage? Since when does that make sense?

 

[Zincwarrior]

If one is under the FPL in a state that did not expand Medicaid they cannot afford to purchase health insurance and they do not qualify for Medicaid unless that particular state set up something for them. Florida, anyone under 100% FPL that is able body or working does not qualify for a damn thing.

The positive is that there will be less MAGA voters. A self liquidating problem.

 

[Concerned American]

The positive is that there will be less MAGA voters. A self liquidating problem.

LOL, hold your breath while you wait for that.

 

[Kilroy2]

How many are illegals? How many are healthy adults gaming the system?

Who benefits the most from tax cuts.

The wealth obvioiusly

Lower income will benefit but it will be minimal. It will be better than nothing.

But the status quo stays the same

The rich get richer, middle class gets some gains, and the poor remain poor.

 

[Anathema]

“House Republicans’ tax bill would lead to nearly 11 million people losing health insurance, providing a key source of savings to help finance President Trump’s tax cuts, according to projections that nonpartisan congressional scorekeepers published Wednesday.

Another 5.1 million people would become uninsured from a combination of expiring Affordable Care Act subsidies and new ACA rules that Trump’s health department proposed, the Congressional Budget Office said. Those coverage losses are separate from the CBO’s official score of the tax bill.

Altogether, 16 million people could become uninsured over a decade, the same number who were at risk of losing their insurance when Republicans attempted to repeal the Affordable Care Act in 2017, CBO said.

The CBO projections give Democrats ammunition to attack Republicans for taking insurance from low-income voters to pay for tax cuts that disproportionately benefit the rich. Most Republicans say the bill only takes insurance from those without jobs who are able to work and that pregnant women, children, people with disabilities, and frail older adults will not be affected.”

10.9 million people would lose health insurance under Trump’s tax cut bill, CBO projects

'Big, beautiful bill' would result in 10.9 million people losing health insurance, primarily Medicaid.

www.statnews.com

“Most Republicans say the bill only takes insurance from those without jobs who are able to work and that pregnant women, children, people with disabilities, and frail older adults will not be affected.”

This is a lie.

For example, that an adult without children of his own in the home can work doesn’t mean he can afford health insurance; low-income working adults will lose Medicaid, and not all employers provide health insurance to employees.

‘Frail older adults’ will also lose Medicaid if they’re under 65 and not established disabled by Social Security. Adults with no children of their own in the home who are incapacitated with pending Social Security disability claims can wait years before approval.

Incapacitated adults who are unable to work will lose access to Medicaid.

Republicans are as dishonest as they are incapable of sound, responsible governance.

Until you can show me some evidence that health, healthcare, health insurance or anything similar is a Right and not a Privilege, I really can’t find any sympathy for folks.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

“House Republicans’ tax bill would lead to nearly 11 million people losing health insurance, providing a key source of savings to help finance President Trump’s tax cuts, according to projections that nonpartisan congressional scorekeepers published Wednesday.

Another 5.1 million people would become uninsured from a combination of expiring Affordable Care Act subsidies and new ACA rules that Trump’s health department proposed, the Congressional Budget Office said. Those coverage losses are separate from the CBO’s official score of the tax bill.

Altogether, 16 million people could become uninsured over a decade, the same number who were at risk of losing their insurance when Republicans attempted to repeal the Affordable Care Act in 2017, CBO said.

The CBO projections give Democrats ammunition to attack Republicans for taking insurance from low-income voters to pay for tax cuts that disproportionately benefit the rich. Most Republicans say the bill only takes insurance from those without jobs who are able to work and that pregnant women, children, people with disabilities, and frail older adults will not be affected.”

10.9 million people would lose health insurance under Trump’s tax cut bill, CBO projects

'Big, beautiful bill' would result in 10.9 million people losing health insurance, primarily Medicaid.

www.statnews.com

“Most Republicans say the bill only takes insurance from those without jobs who are able to work and that pregnant women, children, people with disabilities, and frail older adults will not be affected.”

This is a lie.

For example, that an adult without children of his own in the home can work doesn’t mean he can afford health insurance; low-income working adults will lose Medicaid, and not all employers provide health insurance to employees.

‘Frail older adults’ will also lose Medicaid if they’re under 65 and not established disabled by Social Security. Adults with no children of their own in the home who are incapacitated with pending Social Security disability claims can wait years before approval.

Incapacitated adults who are unable to work will lose access to Medicaid.

Republicans are as dishonest as they are incapable of sound, responsible governance.

If they are 64 and frail why is that my problem?

 

[Concerned American]

Who benefits the most from tax cuts.

The wealth obvioiusly

Lower income will benefit but it will be minimal. It will be better than nothing.

But the status quo stays the same

The rich get richer, middle class gets some gains, and the poor remain poor.

Tax cuts are not designed to change the status quo. They are designed to give tax relief to ALL taxpayers equal to the percentages that they contribute. The only way to change your economic status is to work your way into a better status. It isn't the government's job to redistribute wealth.

 

[Anathema]

Do you know how much it costs to buy your own health insurance?

Please explain how someone earning minimum wage is supposed to do that.

Go head. Explain.

Many, if not most, work two, sometimes three, jobs just to survive.

These people work for employers who don't offer health insurance. Their employers depend on you and me and every other taxpayer to pick up the tab.

And now you want to take THAT away from them, too?

They’re not supposed to buy health insurance. They’re supposed to be teenagers and others working to get past the lowest level of employment on earth.

If the inkybthing(s) you are qualified to do are minimum wage, I’m guessing you have made enough bad decisions to have earned those consequences.

 

[g5000]

They’re not supposed to buy health insurance. They’re supposed to be teenagers and others working to get past the lowest level of employment on earth.

If the inkybthing(s) you are qualified to do are minimum wage, I’m guessing you have made enough bad decisions to have earned those consequences.

Teens are not on Medicaid, fool, unless their parents are.

They are adults with handicaps, adults taking care of family members, parents taking care of their children, and adults whose employers don't pay for health coverage and count on taxpayers to carry the weight.

You have been filled with hate by your propagandists.

 

[Polishprince]

There are more than twice as many Medicaid recipients since the depths of the Great Recession, even though the economy is booming due to Trumponomics.

This is due to changes in rolls to get more people on the rolls.

All President Trump is doing is rolling it back to Clinton-Gore Era numbers, why is the left having such a conniption.

 

[Anathema]

Teens are not on Medicaid, fool, unless their parents are.

They are adults with handicaps, adults taking care of family members, parents taking care of their children, and adults whose employers don't pay for health coverage and count on taxpayers to carry the weight.

You have been filled with hate by your propagandists.

Then they are adults who somehow failed themselves, for the most part. If an individual hasn’t planned for their future, they deserve to fail. It’s not MY responsibility to cover for those who don’t have enough respect to help themselves.

There are a small percentage of folks who, by circumstances not of their own making can’t support themselves, but that’s what families and private charity are for. That’s why I have five, soon six members of my wife’s family living with us and being at least partially supported by us.

 

[Oddball]

How can anyone lose their insurance?....Wasn't Ovomitcare supposed to fix that?

 

[g5000]

Then they are adults who somehow failed themselves, for the most part. If an individual hasn’t planned for their future, they deserve to fail.

Thank you for confirming you are blinded by hate.

Maybe someday you will end up handicapped and will finally appreciate what an asshole you've been.

 

[g5000]

We need to deny health care to the most vulnerable so George Soros and Donald Trump can have a tax break.

 

[Anathema]

Thank you for confirming you are blinded by hate.

Maybe someday you will end up handicapped and will finally appreciate what an asshole you've been.

I AM handicapped. Born that way. Sturge-Weber Syndrome. Society spent my entire youth calling me a monster, a freak, a piece of trash. I told your society to go **** itself and succeeded in spite of you folks.

You are correct that Hatred is my fuel of choice. You folks have provided me with a lifetime supply of it.

 

[Anathema]

We need to deny health care to the most vulnerable so George Soros and Donald Trump can have a tax break.

No. How about we deny them ALL Government money because there is no legitimate mandate or power in the Constitution for monies to be paid to any individual or entity not directly employed by the Government.