Your Overtime Has Just Been Cut

[FA_Q2]

Many people use overtime pay as a kind of savings or second job. In a rising economy overtime goes up before employment, because its cheaper to work the people you've got than hire new ones.
Well, that just went away. Increase the cost of something, you get less of it. Basic Econ 101, something this president just doesn't understand.
Obama to order strengthened overtime pay rules

Overtime itself is not changing. Only the number of people that are required to receive it when worked more than 40 hours.
I think the more likely scenario here is that the flexible work weeks that have been alluded to by NLT will be going away. A company is NOT going to let you take off on Wednesday after paying for those hours that you worked over.

I am also salaried and work less than 40 per week on most weeks. The work load determines what I can and cannot do. I work for the government though so it is a little different in how much wiggle room I have.

 

[rightwinger]

I was on salary from 1970 until 2003, when I retired.

Anytime I had to work extra hours, I did, and whenever I needed time off, the company was almost always happy to give it to me.

I got paid for some overtime, but it was mostly time off, which I could use at my convenience.

The overtime for which I did get paid and which I enjoyed the most was the time when along with fellow salaried staff we crossed picket lines and did the job union employees abandoned in order to strike. The work we did avoided the company to close down two different manufacturing plants, one in 1972, the other in 2002.

So before any unionist here starts yelling "SCAB", keep in mind that the 'scabs' saved the jobs of the strikers.

And thats the way it should work

Professional courtesy on the part of the employee and employer

You work three Saturdays in a row to meet a deadline because you are professional and care about your job. Your employer recognizes your efforts and gives you three comp days or a bonus for your hard work

But professionalism needs to be a two way street. Some employers take advantage of FLSA exemptions and require salaried personnel to work routine ten hour days and weekends with no compensation

 

[Brain357]

Many people use overtime pay as a kind of savings or second job. In a rising economy overtime goes up before employment, because its cheaper to work the people you've got than hire new ones.
Well, that just went away. Increase the cost of something, you get less of it. Basic Econ 101, something this president just doesn't understand.
Obama to order strengthened overtime pay rules

Overtime itself is not changing. Only the number of people that are required to receive it when worked more than 40 hours.
I think the more likely scenario here is that the flexible work weeks that have been alluded to by NLT will be going away. A company is NOT going to let you take off on Wednesday after paying for those hours that you worked over.

I am also salaried and work less than 40 per week on most weeks. The work load determines what I can and cannot do. I work for the government though so it is a little different in how much wiggle room I have.

Most salaried people I know work 45-55 a week every week. I assumed that was the norm in the business world.

 

[RandomVariable]

This government is so pro-labor. Just read these socialist policies handed down by an overbearing government. Regulations are strangling our capitalist ideals.

http://www.dol.gov/dol/topic/workhours/breaks.htm

Breaks & Meal Periods

Federal law does not require lunch or coffee breaks. However, when employers do offer short breaks (usually lasting about 5 to 20 minutes), federal law considers the breaks as compensable work hours that would be included in the sum of hours worked during the work week and considered in determining if overtime was worked. Unauthorized extensions of authorized work breaks need not be counted as hours worked when the employer has expressly and unambiguously communicated to the employee that the authorized break may only last for a specific length of time, that any extension of the break is contrary to the employer's rules, and any extension of the break will be punished.

Bona fide meal periods (typically lasting at least 30 minutes), serve a different purpose than coffee or snack breaks and, thus, are not work time and are not compensable.

 

[Edgetho]

The Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938.

Care to cite the pertinent Statute verbatim or are you just talking out of your stupid ass?

That's what I thought.

Just another stupid dimocrap, on his knees worshiping his master

He is changing the definition of supervisor and the salary threshold that allows the company to determine that you are no longer eligible for overtime pay. The act does give him this ability through regulatory agencies – one more example of how congress has shifted its responsibilities over to the president so they do not have to do their job.

Why do we even bother with separation of powers – obviously the government does as much as it can to get rid of it.

Congress hasn't given the lying cocksucker in chief squat.

He simply takes it.

With only one House in the Congress, there's nothing Patriotic Americans can do about his power grab.

Nothing.

He just legalized every illegal alien relative of ever individual in the Armed Forces as well.

unconstitutionally. And without the Senate, there's nothing we can do.

Sure, the House and Boehner can make noise, pass bills, make speeches until they're blue in the face but what do you think will happen when the bill makes it's way to the Senate?

The scumbag who runs it will just simply laugh at us and leave the bill to do on the Senate Floor.

Don't blame Congress. That's not fair

 

[RandomVariable]

Care to cite the pertinent Statute verbatim or are you just talking out of your stupid ass?

That's what I thought.

Just another stupid dimocrap, on his knees worshiping his master

He is changing the definition of supervisor and the salary threshold that allows the company to determine that you are no longer eligible for overtime pay. The act does give him this ability through regulatory agencies – one more example of how congress has shifted its responsibilities over to the president so they do not have to do their job.

Why do we even bother with separation of powers – obviously the government does as much as it can to get rid of it.

Congress hasn't given the lying cocksucker in chief squat.

He simply takes it.

With only one House in the Congress, there's nothing Patriotic Americans can do about his power grab.

Nothing.

He just legalized every illegal alien relative of ever individual in the Armed Forces as well.

unconstitutionally. And without the Senate, there's nothing we can do.

Sure, the House and Boehner can make noise, pass bills, make speeches until they're blue in the face but what do you think will happen when the bill makes it's way to the Senate?

The scumbag who runs it will just simply laugh at us and leave the bill to do on the Senate Floor.

Don't blame Congress. That's not fair

The House has the power to pass bills and they do. As a matter of fact in a little less than a half an hour the House will convene to start their business day. What has Speaker Boehner decided will be debating today? One of the many, many issues which make a difference in American's lives? Well if you consider political theatre useful then, yes, this will be another useful day. The House is passing useless bill after useless bill complaining the President is doing something. Who is the one really abusing power?

 

[Edgetho]

He is changing the definition of supervisor and the salary threshold that allows the company to determine that you are no longer eligible for overtime pay. The act does give him this ability through regulatory agencies – one more example of how congress has shifted its responsibilities over to the president so they do not have to do their job.

Why do we even bother with separation of powers – obviously the government does as much as it can to get rid of it.

Congress hasn't given the lying cocksucker in chief squat.

He simply takes it.

With only one House in the Congress, there's nothing Patriotic Americans can do about his power grab.

Nothing.

He just legalized every illegal alien relative of ever individual in the Armed Forces as well.

unconstitutionally. And without the Senate, there's nothing we can do.

Sure, the House and Boehner can make noise, pass bills, make speeches until they're blue in the face but what do you think will happen when the bill makes it's way to the Senate?

The scumbag who runs it will just simply laugh at us and leave the bill to do on the Senate Floor.

Don't blame Congress. That's not fair

The House has the power to pass bills and they do. As a matter of fact in a little less than a half an hour the House will convene to start their business day. What has Speaker Boehner decided will be debating today? One of the many, many issues which make a difference in American's lives? Well if you consider political theatre useful then, yes, this will be another useful day. The House is passing useless bill after useless bill complaining the President is doing something. Who is the one really abusing power?

So doing what's right is wrong but doing what dimocrap scum want us to do is right?

You people are the scum of the earth.

We need to deal with you some day.

 

[RandomVariable]

Congress hasn't given the lying cocksucker in chief squat.

He simply takes it.

With only one House in the Congress, there's nothing Patriotic Americans can do about his power grab.

Nothing.

He just legalized every illegal alien relative of ever individual in the Armed Forces as well.

unconstitutionally. And without the Senate, there's nothing we can do.

Sure, the House and Boehner can make noise, pass bills, make speeches until they're blue in the face but what do you think will happen when the bill makes it's way to the Senate?

The scumbag who runs it will just simply laugh at us and leave the bill to do on the Senate Floor.

Don't blame Congress. That's not fair

The House has the power to pass bills and they do. As a matter of fact in a little less than a half an hour the House will convene to start their business day. What has Speaker Boehner decided will be debating today? One of the many, many issues which make a difference in American's lives? Well if you consider political theatre useful then, yes, this will be another useful day. The House is passing useless bill after useless bill complaining the President is doing something. Who is the one really abusing power?

So doing what's right is wrong but doing what dimocrap scum want us to do is right?

You people are the scum of the earth.

We need to deal with you some day.

If you ever feel like discussing your issues we're here for you Edge.

 

[Spiderman]

Actually, it doesn't balance out as salaried people are expected to work uncompensated hours and are rarely, if ever, given 36 hour weeks

If it's spelled out in the contract then tough shit.

And if the law changes on who is entitled to overtime then tough shit

Yeah and then salaried people who would put in extra time for bigger bonuses will now be told they can't work that many hours to max out bonuses so they get a pay cut.

That's Obamaspeak for awesome

 

[AquaAthena]

Obama has fewer people with business experience in his cabinet than any other president.

Why would anyone think they are hand-picked for any other reason?

 

[bripat9643]

Actually "free" overtime has been cut

Sucks for business doesn't it?

Hourly paid people always got overtime.

Salaried people have been traditionally expected to work up to 45 hours a week but if they work only 36 they don't get a decrease in pay that week.

It balances out

I typically work 70 hours a week. The first 10 years out of college I worked 90 hours a week. I've never worked less than 60 hours a week.

 

[rightwinger]

Great job by our President

We passed the FLSA with the idea that salaried workers were compensated in ways that hourly workers are not. We assumed business would naturally take care of their best workers

Instead they take advantage of the FLSA exemption to force salaried workers to work overtime for free

Much like Supply Side Economics where we expect those with the money to do the right thing for their employees and they just keep the money

Lets just call it a redistribution of wealth from employers to workers

 

[The Rabbi]

Actually, it doesn't balance out as salaried people are expected to work uncompensated hours and are rarely, if ever, given 36 hour weeks

If it's spelled out in the contract then tough shit.

And if the law changes on who is entitled to overtime then tough shit

The law didnt change. Obama used his pen and his telephone.

 

[The Rabbi]

Many people use overtime pay as a kind of savings or second job. In a rising economy overtime goes up before employment, because its cheaper to work the people you've got than hire new ones.
Well, that just went away. Increase the cost of something, you get less of it. Basic Econ 101, something this president just doesn't understand.
Obama to order strengthened overtime pay rules

Really? You mean I don't have to work the two twelve hour days I am scheduled for this weekend? Would you tell my boss that?

No I didnt mean that.
I did mean that you are a cretin who cannot read and understand anything. WHich is why you have a boss to begin with.

 

[The Rabbi]

Many people use overtime pay as a kind of savings or second job. In a rising economy overtime goes up before employment, because its cheaper to work the people you've got than hire new ones.
Well, that just went away. Increase the cost of something, you get less of it. Basic Econ 101, something this president just doesn't understand.
Obama to order strengthened overtime pay rules

Overtime itself is not changing. Only the number of people that are required to receive it when worked more than 40 hours.
I think the more likely scenario here is that the flexible work weeks that have been alluded to by NLT will be going away. A company is NOT going to let you take off on Wednesday after paying for those hours that you worked over.

I am also salaried and work less than 40 per week on most weeks. The work load determines what I can and cannot do. I work for the government though so it is a little different in how much wiggle room I have.

Companies now have a choice: they can pay time and a half for what they were paying time for. Or they can not do the work. Since doing the work just became a lot less lucrative guess which one they will opt for. Yes, some people will make more on time and a half. But a lot of other who would have made overtime simply wont because their overtime is too expensive.

 

[Wry Catcher]

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Boy, this is weird.

You'd think all those people around him who know what it's like to start, grow and maintain a healthy business would have told him by now that the things he's doing...

Oh, wait.

Never mind.

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It seems that a business which requires regular OT is doing well, and it seems that hiring new employees is good for our nation. New employees generally start at a lower wage and many times benefits won't kick in immediately. I doubt the burden Rabbi suggests is anything more than another captious effort by Rabbi to demean President Obama.

 

[Indeependent]

Actually "free" overtime has been cut

Sucks for business doesn't it?

Hourly paid people always got overtime.

Salaried people have been traditionally expected to work up to 45 hours a week but if they work only 36 they don't get a decrease in pay that week.

It balances out

I typically work 70 hours a week. The first 10 years out of college I worked 90 hours a week. I've never worked less than 60 hours a week.

So you're a work-a-holic, a lawyer or you really suck at what you do.

 

[The Rabbi]

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Boy, this is weird.

You'd think all those people around him who know what it's like to start, grow and maintain a healthy business would have told him by now that the things he's doing...

Oh, wait.

Never mind.

.

It seems that a business which requires regular OT is doing well, and it seems that hiring new employees is good for our nation. New employees generally start at a lower wage and many times benefits won't kick in immediately. I doubt the burden Rabbi suggests is anything more than another captious effort by Rabbi to demean President Obama.

I would ask if you understand that hiring new employees is very expensive, esp now with Obamacare, and that previously companies would just get overtime from workers. And now they can't do that. So they will forgo the extra business, perhaps raising prices to compensate.
But the truth is you dont understand that. You never worked an honest day in your life. You are lying dimocrap scum.

 

[AquaAthena]

Actually "free" overtime has been cut

Sucks for business doesn't it?

Hourly paid people always got overtime.

Salaried people have been traditionally expected to work up to 45 hours a week but if they work only 36 they don't get a decrease in pay that week.

It balances out

I typically work 70 hours a week. The first 10 years out of college I worked 90 hours a week. I've never worked less than 60 hours a week.

And you probably had employees who were grateful for the job you provided them for their families.

 

[The Rabbi]

Hourly paid people always got overtime.

Salaried people have been traditionally expected to work up to 45 hours a week but if they work only 36 they don't get a decrease in pay that week.

It balances out

I typically work 70 hours a week. The first 10 years out of college I worked 90 hours a week. I've never worked less than 60 hours a week.

And you probably had employees who were grateful for the job you provided them for their families.

And he had some who resented him and thought he was a slave driving asshole and they should be paid as much as he was.
Those are the liberals posting on this board.