You Guys Really Going to Nominate Donald Trump?

[ChrisL]

I consider Trump to be just as "out of touch" with regular Americans as any of the other politicians. He is a billionaire. He has no idea of the struggles of the average American.

He has at least "worked" for a living for a long time. His daily path would have crossed ordinary scum at least in the first 10 years or so? He knows. The ones' living on the public payroll forever, they have no clue, never a days work in entire life ? Trump has hired and fired and walked construction sites with foreman/worker at least. He has been in countless meetings worldwide with all sorts.

I know, daddy only gave him a couple of million dollars to start off life with. The poor baby.

If part of Trump's appeal was his "rags to riches" story, then your post would be relevant.

Obama started out with nothing and his policies continued the "Free Trade" and high Immigration policies of the last couple of decades that have so negatively impacted the Middle and Working Class(s) here in America.

At least Trump did not screw it up. He could have been a total failure like many through Divorce or kid problems or bankruptcy whatever. Give the guy some credit. Life Work is not guaranteed.

No. I don't give him much credit. Sorry. He come from money. Lol.

 

[leftwinger]

I don't know how anyone can vote for either of the two main parties after all the times they have lied to us

That is why Trump Cruz Carson Paul have 70% of vote at this point. They are NOT status quo. they are outsiders. It is the only hope for meaningful positive change at this point.

 

[leftwinger]

I think Cruz will win the nomination. We shall see. Cruz is the only true conservative.

If that is who they choose then I am all for it. Somebody has to try to stop this DemWit death spiral.

 

[leftwinger]

No. I don't give him much credit. Sorry. He come from money. Lol.

I am sure you know of all the broke Sports milliionares., Lottery winners, divorced, kid troubles, drugs etc. I can name Google VP (I think that who it was?) found dead of heroin on boat recently. It is not easy to hold on to money or make it grow. Obama has never done anything, Clinton? Lol the foundation?

 

[leftwinger]

I have paid a lot of attention since 2008 crash and some attention back at FLA vote count recount and Iraq wars.

Things are not working. The political class is 90% total failures! 24 straight years of PC nonsense. Time to find a way to shock the system. Change it. Change is not always bad. $20T says it not working. What country can survive 10% Illegals running around Driving and collecting your money?

 

[HUGGY]

I have never supported LBJ. I was a Goldwater supporter

So if you remember that election, how can you have possibly completely missed the reference I was making? Google "LBJ Daisy" and watch the commercial

I saw that commercial when it came out. People were so frightened about the possibility of nuclear war that it really hit home. This country was very tired of war after WWII and Korea. Some of our population really would have preferred to be Red than dead. Anything but the horror we unleashed upon Japan. Many people had some fairy tale idea that being a communist was a perfect share the wealth idea. They were not concerned that communism was just a way to control the population for the few powerful leaders.

Americans are never going to consider converting to Islam so the situation is completely different. Many Americans believe that Muslims DO want to take over the planet. With that in mind they would turn and look the other way if Trump found himself an excuse to nuke a population of them.

Swish, missed again. Seriously, you don't get why I called you LBJ? It wasn't that deep, yet you still don't get it.

On another subject, how'd you turn into a leftist if you were a Goldwater supporter? What was your epiphany that government is the solution to all our problems?

Interestingly all but about three leftists on the site are or at least were Republicans. Apparently there wasn't such a thing as a Democrat before about 1990. It's very peculiar.

I equally to a small degree if not more so find it at least a bit part interesting that several on this site have taken it upon themselves to be the arbitrators of who is what politically.

My family as far back as I can remember and before that have been republicans. I shared their points of view. I still do.

I've never voted for a democrat. I've never given/wasted any money contributing to a democrat. SOOooo...I'm going to stand on reality and repeat that in the ways that matter I am not a democrat.

Now if you take my criticism of the actions of the religious right specifically after hijacking the GOP then you will have to come up with something better than "lefty", "liberal", or democrat if you have a need to affix a label to my posts.

You don't get to join the Ferrari Car Club having just stolen a Ferrari. The GOP was a fine political party before this swarm of locusts descended upon it giving legitimacy to religious whack jobs. You people have tests for everything. It's really rather intrusive. My GOP wasn't so interested in everyone's personal business.

I guess if you actually knew me you would say I'm not this Johnnie come lately version of a republican. I think you all are a joke. You have false religious values and not much else aside from a lot of hatred. My republican party wasn't so full of hate. My republicans were interested in financial responsibility personally and in the larger arena. I'm for guns, don't care about if your daughter gets an abortion or what religion you or anyone subscribes to as long as you keep it pretty much to yourselves. Taxes are necessary as there are no free lunches and I like driving on nice roads, drinking good water and like having my poo end up safely treated before it ends up in the water I want to fish and swim in.

I enjoy my social security and am glad I participated. Those of you that see it as something you should have a right to gamble with are what I like to call thieves. If I should choose to take that money and invest it in some fly by night stock...well that's my business to be foolish with what's mine...not yours.

Your are right to assume I'm not you. That's about as far as I believe I can throw you.

So you are a Republican, and you insult me by calling me a Republican, which I'm not, I'm a libertarian. That's the dumb fuck that you are. Go whine that you get called a Democrat when you support nothing but their positions backed up by nothing but their talking points, but as I said, almost all of you leftists say that. You were a Republican until you realized they weren't communists, then you became a Democrat

Nonsense! I just guessed that you were a neo-religist-republican because you tried to apply your liberal label on me. and now you are going to dig in your heals about it rather than attempt to make any effort to understand my point of view. I don't agree with most Dem and liberal policy.

Let's just deal with the truth. You rarely read my posts and I hardly notice yours until you feel the need to apply your labels on me.

This thread is about Trump. He is probably more of an libertarian independent than the religion driven republicans he has aligned himself with. You like him because he hates Muslims and Mexicans. He hates them for different reasons than you do. These invaders as he sees them have no right to be here. The Muslims don't matter to him if they didn't kill people occasionally. I seriously doubt Trump feels threatened by anyone. He probably has a better security detail than Obama.

I would actually like Trump if he wasn't so crazy. He doesn't ramble on about abortions or gays or other religions. What he does say is mostly unconstitutional. Trump is used to getting his way. Trump gets what Trump wants. I will vote for a candidate that wants to make the USA better not a candidate that just wants to be president like it's a friggin trophy.

I am not comfortable being a tiny part of Trumps latest toy. Spoiled brats usually end up destroying their toys and blaming someone else for it.

 

[JoeB131]

Discrimination against whites on the basis of skin color is the opposite of "fairness and opportunity".

Funny, you Cleetuses never had any problem with that when it was done against blacks.

You see, here's the problem. Ideal world, yup, you should take the most qualified guy. Okay. I agree with that.

But here's the thing, the "Most qualified guy" often ends up being "The guy who reminds me the most of me".

This is why resumes with "White" names get 50% more callbacks than Resumes with "Black" names.

I've seen a black woman with years of qualifications fired so a GM could make a space for his golfing buddy who had no credentials to do the job he was hired to do.

I've seen people fired because they were gay.

So I really, really won't take your whining about "I got 2 points more on an arbitrary test" as a case of horrible discrimination. I've seen a lot worse.

 

[kaz]

So if you remember that election, how can you have possibly completely missed the reference I was making? Google "LBJ Daisy" and watch the commercial

I saw that commercial when it came out. People were so frightened about the possibility of nuclear war that it really hit home. This country was very tired of war after WWII and Korea. Some of our population really would have preferred to be Red than dead. Anything but the horror we unleashed upon Japan. Many people had some fairy tale idea that being a communist was a perfect share the wealth idea. They were not concerned that communism was just a way to control the population for the few powerful leaders.

Americans are never going to consider converting to Islam so the situation is completely different. Many Americans believe that Muslims DO want to take over the planet. With that in mind they would turn and look the other way if Trump found himself an excuse to nuke a population of them.

Swish, missed again. Seriously, you don't get why I called you LBJ? It wasn't that deep, yet you still don't get it.

On another subject, how'd you turn into a leftist if you were a Goldwater supporter? What was your epiphany that government is the solution to all our problems?

Interestingly all but about three leftists on the site are or at least were Republicans. Apparently there wasn't such a thing as a Democrat before about 1990. It's very peculiar.

I equally to a small degree if not more so find it at least a bit part interesting that several on this site have taken it upon themselves to be the arbitrators of who is what politically.

My family as far back as I can remember and before that have been republicans. I shared their points of view. I still do.

I've never voted for a democrat. I've never given/wasted any money contributing to a democrat. SOOooo...I'm going to stand on reality and repeat that in the ways that matter I am not a democrat.

Now if you take my criticism of the actions of the religious right specifically after hijacking the GOP then you will have to come up with something better than "lefty", "liberal", or democrat if you have a need to affix a label to my posts.

You don't get to join the Ferrari Car Club having just stolen a Ferrari. The GOP was a fine political party before this swarm of locusts descended upon it giving legitimacy to religious whack jobs. You people have tests for everything. It's really rather intrusive. My GOP wasn't so interested in everyone's personal business.

I guess if you actually knew me you would say I'm not this Johnnie come lately version of a republican. I think you all are a joke. You have false religious values and not much else aside from a lot of hatred. My republican party wasn't so full of hate. My republicans were interested in financial responsibility personally and in the larger arena. I'm for guns, don't care about if your daughter gets an abortion or what religion you or anyone subscribes to as long as you keep it pretty much to yourselves. Taxes are necessary as there are no free lunches and I like driving on nice roads, drinking good water and like having my poo end up safely treated before it ends up in the water I want to fish and swim in.

I enjoy my social security and am glad I participated. Those of you that see it as something you should have a right to gamble with are what I like to call thieves. If I should choose to take that money and invest it in some fly by night stock...well that's my business to be foolish with what's mine...not yours.

Your are right to assume I'm not you. That's about as far as I believe I can throw you.

So you are a Republican, and you insult me by calling me a Republican, which I'm not, I'm a libertarian. That's the dumb fuck that you are. Go whine that you get called a Democrat when you support nothing but their positions backed up by nothing but their talking points, but as I said, almost all of you leftists say that. You were a Republican until you realized they weren't communists, then you became a Democrat

Nonsense! I just guessed that you were a neo-religist-republican because you tried to apply your liberal label on me. and now you are going to dig in your heals about it rather than attempt to make any effort to understand my point of view. I don't agree with most Dem and liberal policy.

Let's just deal with the truth. You rarely read my posts and I hardly notice yours until you feel the need to apply your labels on me.

This thread is about Trump. He is probably more of an libertarian independent than the religion driven republicans he has aligned himself with. You like him because he hates Muslims and Mexicans. He hates them for different reasons than you do. These invaders as he sees them have no right to be here. The Muslims don't matter to him if they didn't kill people occasionally. I seriously doubt Trump feels threatened by anyone. He probably has a better security detail than Obama.

I would actually like Trump if he wasn't so crazy. He doesn't ramble on about abortions or gays or other religions. What he does say is mostly unconstitutional. Trump is used to getting his way. Trump gets what Trump wants. I will vote for a candidate that wants to make the USA better not a candidate that just wants to be president like it's a friggin trophy.

I am not comfortable being a tiny part of Trumps latest toy. Spoiled brats usually end up destroying their toys and blaming someone else for it.

You don't know what a libertarian is, Holmes. We aren't socons any more than we are socialists like you are. We uniformly want as little government as possible. Seriously, I say I'm a libertarian and you come up with that means I'm a socon? LOL. Do you know anything past the end of your nose?

And you are on a long list of Democrat, socialist "Republicans." That you can't be bothered with ever arguing against the Democrats is on you, not me

 

[Dr Grump]

$20T DEBT. how is that working for you? Wide open borders. 30-50 mil Illegals? more every night? how " ignorant, retarded, moron" is that? 1/3 Jailed inmates in CA is illegal? 50K/yr housing costs? Enough?

Well, you will fight two unnecessary wars. Wars cost money. Maybe Dumbya should have thought of that before he went after Saddam. At the end of the day your household net worth is over $85T. The US ain't going broke any time soon.
30-50 million illegals? Laughable figures.

Your inmates in jail point? We're getting into conspiracy theory territory here.

 

[HUGGY]

I saw that commercial when it came out. People were so frightened about the possibility of nuclear war that it really hit home. This country was very tired of war after WWII and Korea. Some of our population really would have preferred to be Red than dead. Anything but the horror we unleashed upon Japan. Many people had some fairy tale idea that being a communist was a perfect share the wealth idea. They were not concerned that communism was just a way to control the population for the few powerful leaders.

Americans are never going to consider converting to Islam so the situation is completely different. Many Americans believe that Muslims DO want to take over the planet. With that in mind they would turn and look the other way if Trump found himself an excuse to nuke a population of them.

Swish, missed again. Seriously, you don't get why I called you LBJ? It wasn't that deep, yet you still don't get it.

On another subject, how'd you turn into a leftist if you were a Goldwater supporter? What was your epiphany that government is the solution to all our problems?

Interestingly all but about three leftists on the site are or at least were Republicans. Apparently there wasn't such a thing as a Democrat before about 1990. It's very peculiar.

I equally to a small degree if not more so find it at least a bit part interesting that several on this site have taken it upon themselves to be the arbitrators of who is what politically.

My family as far back as I can remember and before that have been republicans. I shared their points of view. I still do.

I've never voted for a democrat. I've never given/wasted any money contributing to a democrat. SOOooo...I'm going to stand on reality and repeat that in the ways that matter I am not a democrat.

Now if you take my criticism of the actions of the religious right specifically after hijacking the GOP then you will have to come up with something better than "lefty", "liberal", or democrat if you have a need to affix a label to my posts.

You don't get to join the Ferrari Car Club having just stolen a Ferrari. The GOP was a fine political party before this swarm of locusts descended upon it giving legitimacy to religious whack jobs. You people have tests for everything. It's really rather intrusive. My GOP wasn't so interested in everyone's personal business.

I guess if you actually knew me you would say I'm not this Johnnie come lately version of a republican. I think you all are a joke. You have false religious values and not much else aside from a lot of hatred. My republican party wasn't so full of hate. My republicans were interested in financial responsibility personally and in the larger arena. I'm for guns, don't care about if your daughter gets an abortion or what religion you or anyone subscribes to as long as you keep it pretty much to yourselves. Taxes are necessary as there are no free lunches and I like driving on nice roads, drinking good water and like having my poo end up safely treated before it ends up in the water I want to fish and swim in.

I enjoy my social security and am glad I participated. Those of you that see it as something you should have a right to gamble with are what I like to call thieves. If I should choose to take that money and invest it in some fly by night stock...well that's my business to be foolish with what's mine...not yours.

Your are right to assume I'm not you. That's about as far as I believe I can throw you.

So you are a Republican, and you insult me by calling me a Republican, which I'm not, I'm a libertarian. That's the dumb fuck that you are. Go whine that you get called a Democrat when you support nothing but their positions backed up by nothing but their talking points, but as I said, almost all of you leftists say that. You were a Republican until you realized they weren't communists, then you became a Democrat

Nonsense! I just guessed that you were a neo-religist-republican because you tried to apply your liberal label on me. and now you are going to dig in your heals about it rather than attempt to make any effort to understand my point of view. I don't agree with most Dem and liberal policy.

Let's just deal with the truth. You rarely read my posts and I hardly notice yours until you feel the need to apply your labels on me.

This thread is about Trump. He is probably more of an libertarian independent than the religion driven republicans he has aligned himself with. You like him because he hates Muslims and Mexicans. He hates them for different reasons than you do. These invaders as he sees them have no right to be here. The Muslims don't matter to him if they didn't kill people occasionally. I seriously doubt Trump feels threatened by anyone. He probably has a better security detail than Obama.

I would actually like Trump if he wasn't so crazy. He doesn't ramble on about abortions or gays or other religions. What he does say is mostly unconstitutional. Trump is used to getting his way. Trump gets what Trump wants. I will vote for a candidate that wants to make the USA better not a candidate that just wants to be president like it's a friggin trophy.

I am not comfortable being a tiny part of Trumps latest toy. Spoiled brats usually end up destroying their toys and blaming someone else for it.

You don't know what a libertarian is, Holmes. We aren't socons any more than we are socialists like you are. We uniformly want as little government as possible. Seriously, I say I'm a libertarian and you come up with that means I'm a socon? LOL. Do you know anything past the end of your nose?

And you are on a long list of Democrat, socialist "Republicans." That you can't be bothered with ever arguing against the Democrats is on you, not me[/QUOTE

What I do know is that this thread is about Trump and you insist in making it about me whom you do not know and yourself whom I don't really care to know.

Trump is getting absolutely hammered in the media and from the republican party specifically on the points I brought up before his last incendiary comments.

If you had really been following my posts you would know at least that much and not waste our time trying to posture on unimportant drivel.

 

[kaz]

What I do know is that this thread is about Trump and you insist in making it about me whom you do not know and yourself whom I don't really care to know.

Trump is getting absolutely hammered in the media and from the republican party specifically on the points I brought up before his last incendiary comments.

If you had really been following my posts you would know at least that much and not waste our time trying to posture on unimportant drivel.

Your philosophy: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need." Where have we heard that from before?

Where the money is coming from is repeatedly a topic that could be of no relevance to you.

Margret Thatcher: The problem with Socialism is eventually you run out of other people's money

 

[candycorn]

1. I've heard no policy proposals the he plans to address high wages.With Trade and Immigration his plate is pretty full already.

He made the comment that wages were too high when he was discussing how American businesses can be competitive once more.

Trump doubles down on debate claim: ‘Wages are too high’

Obviously if the comments come during his speech on returning competitiveness, it's clear what the inference is. Trump's not big on plans (or at least divulging them) anyway.

2. Or they could try to figure out how to manufacture here. You know where maybe they can't pay 3 dollars a day for labor. Personally, i believe that if they actually TRY, they can probably find a way. And people will still buy crap.

Pure fantasy.

3. As domestic manufacturing increases, more people have better paying jobs, able to buy more and pay more taxes.

Do you honestly believe that any company (much less multiple companies) will take the risk of building a factory, hiring workers, training workers, locating, procuring, and taking delivery of tons of raw materials, and then have their entire enterprise wiped out if the tariff (in which they have no control of) is suspended or cancelled or reduced?

Oh, and by the way, a lot of the raw materials will need to be imported too....and subject to the tariff.

4. Or while Chinese stocks fall, the stocks of US manufactures rise.

Pure Fantasy.

And when the US tries to sell abroad...what do you think will happen to US Products? Wal Mart (by itself) has over 400 stores in China alone (more than it has in any single US State!!!). There goes their sales; imagine Wal Mart losing every consumer in Texas and California--that is the impact we're talking about.

GM and Ford sold about 12 million vehicles in China:
GM, Ford China sales rise in March
At $20-$30 thousand a unit translates into about $10,000,000,000 wiped off of Detroit's books.

And you don't think that is going to hurt the stock market?

5. Well, maybe we should be depending on the Red Fucking Chinese to fund our government anyways.

Americans want more government than they are willing to pay for. It knows no party or ideology.

6. Old Man. These Trade Deficits of ours have turned Japan and South Korean into First World Nations, and China into the world's second largest economy. If that wealth is so useful to other nations, keeping it here should have some positive effects for US. Trying it the other way hasn't been working out so well for US.

Donald Trump and his confederates have been doing pretty well--he's "very rich" you know. What's the matter?

1. Counter intuitive as his more clear proposals are all aimed the other way.

A. Yet again, you won't cite any of his "more clear" proposals.
B. I quoted him. How much more clear can anything else be?

2. It's fantasy that we can make crap here? I find that hard to believe.

It is a fantasy that it can be manufactured at the same costs here as it can be overseas where labor is much cheaper.

3. Historically, yes.

Okay, here is the scenario you're coming up with.

• The Donald will be able to get Congress (whom he called "a bunch of losers") to pass a massive tariff on goods being imported.
• When that happens a company will open/build/retrofit a factory to start producing widgets that we will no longer import due to the higher costs as a result of the tariff.
• They will hire, train, and staff the plant

All based on a tariff that could go away at any time. You're talking about an outlay of millions if not hundreds of millions of dollars.

4. It is a fantasy that barriers to imports helps domestic manufacturers? You ever read a history book?

Yes I have. Have you ever read a dictionary? Look up retaliation. Thinking you can charge whatever you want without other nations invoking the same practices on your goods is crazy. Much more so when you realize that the nation you're talking about owns a lot of your debt on top of everything else.

5. Not really an answer.

Sure it is. I'll give you a free lesson. We have a consumer based economy meaning that most of us play the part of consumption. In all economies in a complex global system, you have to have both producers and consumers. Too much production and too little consumption, the price drops. Too much consumption and not enough production, the price rises. China is not selling us anything we do not want. Until you can either bring back unions and artificially inflate the ability of the American middle income populous to consume more in concert with a manufacturing base that adds value to make it preferable to the Chinese goods OR somehow cajole or coerce Americans into paying more for the same/inferior product made in the USA, you're nowhere. Tariffs are fun to play with for the simple-minded Trump supporters who ask no questions and believe everything they hear from Mr. Trump. They simply do not work on a large scale in this day and age.

6. Also not really an answer.

[/quote]
You didn't really ask a question. You made some rambling statement about it "not working so well for us" which is strange since earlier you stated we had the largest economy in the world. Seems like it's been working well enough. We also have the highest standard of living in the world, the strongest military ever, and are the one indispensable nation on the planet.

 

[JoeB131]

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Your philosophy: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need." Where have we heard that from before?

Where the money is coming from is repeatedly a topic that could be of no relevance to you.

Margret Thatcher: The problem with Socialism is eventually you run out of other people's money

"EEEK, COMMUNISM!!"

Reality check, guy. The best quote was, "The problem with Capitalism is Capitalists- they are too damned greedy".

The problem is not "running out of other people's money", what is money but the measurable result of goods and services.

The problem is that the distribution of it, where the top 1% has 43% of the wealth when they certainly did not provide 43% of the labor. Where we give tax cuts to the rich while our roads and schools are crumbling around us. That's just fucking insane.

 

[JoeB131]

It is a fantasy that it can be manufactured at the same costs here as it can be overseas where labor is much cheaper.

Not really. When you factor in the cost of transporting things, the costs of lower quality and the cost of tariffs, it isn't that cheaper. Free Trade has always been about breaking the American Middle Class.

Before I quit the last job, we had a project we were working on. One team was costing it out in China with a subcontractor, my team was sourcing the thing locally with local vendors and using our own employees (mostly immigrants from India and Mexico) to assemble them. We easily matched the Chinese contractor, but the people who run the company, after we did all the work prototyping the thing, decided that they still wanted to go with the Chinese subcontractor.

Another note- a reason why it is cheaper to make things overseas is because those countries simply don't care about worker safety and environmental quality. Americans need to stop penalizing themselves for doing the right thing.

I don't like Trump, but Trump is absolutely right on Free Trade.

 

[candycorn]

It is a fantasy that it can be manufactured at the same costs here as it can be overseas where labor is much cheaper.

Not really. When you factor in the cost of transporting things, the costs of lower quality and the cost of tariffs, it isn't that cheaper. Free Trade has always been about breaking the American Middle Class.

Before I quit the last job, we had a project we were working on. One team was costing it out in China with a subcontractor, my team was sourcing the thing locally with local vendors and using our own employees (mostly immigrants from India and Mexico) to assemble them. We easily matched the Chinese contractor, but the people who run the company, after we did all the work prototyping the thing, decided that they still wanted to go with the Chinese subcontractor.

Another note- a reason why it is cheaper to make things overseas is because those countries simply don't care about worker safety and environmental quality. Americans need to stop penalizing themselves for doing the right thing.

I don't like Trump, but Trump is absolutely right on Free Trade.

And you don't think the countries we apply tariffs to will do the same to goods they buy from us?

 

[JoeB131]

And you don't think the countries we apply tariffs to will do the same to goods they buy from us?

So what if they do? The thing is, most of what we 'export' these days are not manufactured goods, they are raw materials.

The US used to be the biggest importer of raw materials and the biggest exporter of manufactured goods. Now we are the biggest exporter of raw materials and the biggest importer of manufactured goods. IN essense, we've become a third world country.

But both parties have looked at this problem for 40 years, the first year that we posted a trade deficit was 1976, and acted like not only was nothing wrong when we bleed half a trillion dollars in wealth every year, we totally need more of that. They can't agree on health care, but they can totally agree on TPP sending more jobs overseas!

Frankly, I think Trump is a racist and a fascist, but he RIGHT on this issue. Enough to get me to vote for him? Probably not. Enough to make me consider it? Maybe.

 

[Correll]

End Birthright Citizenship for the children of foreign nationals here illegally, slow demographic shift, and ease deportations of parents.

I'm fine with ending birthright citizenship for the children of illegals. Still finding "slow demographic shift" to be very vague. You completely lost me on "ease deportation of parents". Are you saying make it easier to deport them, or to ease off on doing it? Details, please, and actual citations from Trump himself regarding what he plans to do would be most helpful.

One of the purposes of Anchor babies is that the parents can now request a green card to avoid breaking up an infant citizens family.

Yes, thank you, Captain Obvious. I'm aware of that. This is not an answer to my question.

So, if the infant, the product of two Mexicans is considered a Mexican, there is no concern about what happens to this "American" when we deport it's parents.

It is easier to send the whole family home.

Okay, so the answer that it took you two posts to give me is that you want to deport the kid along with the parents. Thank you.

Spare me the assumptions as to my opinion on the subject. You ASK me what I think; you don't TELL me what I think.

I though the connection between ending Anchor Baby and easing the deportation of parents was clear.

What opinion did I assume you have?

 

[Correll]

1. Then a tough negotiator with the leverage offered by heading the largest single economy in the world will face off against the other countries representatives. Just about anything would be an improvement over the last 40 years.

2. Concrete plans probably won't be draw up until the Cabinet positions are filled. I can certainly speculate, if you want. I know some easy steps that need to be taken immediately that I imagine would be.

Go to a creditor and demand they renegotiate a deal. Getting Laughed out of the room would be the start.

"Creditor"?

The nations we mostly need new trade policies with are the ones that have huge trade surpluses with US.

You go to them and tell them we are done being their bitch, and they won't be laughing.

Really? How do you plan to enforce that bluster? More to the point, how does TRUMP plan to?

I'm not sure how he plans to do it. There are some obvious steps that even I, without decades of high level business experience can see, and I am sure that Trump can do at least that much, if not far more.

Most obvious step is to remove their Most Favored Nation status and start jacking up tariffs.

But, that is just a guess on my part.

Yeah, that's the point. You shouldn't HAVE to somehow divine for yourself how he plans to do it. He's supposed to TELL you. It is the fact that he's NOT telling us, and leaving his rabid followers to project their own ideas onto his generalities that I object to.

Lest you forget, that's exactly the sort of thing that got us Obama. Not looking for a repeat.

I'm not a rabid follower. His policies are ones that I have held well before he came along.

I'm not sure that he is supposed to tell us how he plans to renegotiate these Treaties. He has a long history of being a world class negotiator. One can reasonable expect he will renegotiate them well.

If he tells us his plans, I think that those people he is entering into hostile negotiations with might somehow learn of them too.

 

[candycorn]

And you don't think the countries we apply tariffs to will do the same to goods they buy from us?

So what if they do? The thing is, most of what we 'export' these days are not manufactured goods, they are raw materials.

The US used to be the biggest importer of raw materials and the biggest exporter of manufactured goods. Now we are the biggest exporter of raw materials and the biggest importer of manufactured goods. IN essense, we've become a third world country.

But both parties have looked at this problem for 40 years, the first year that we posted a trade deficit was 1976, and acted like not only was nothing wrong when we bleed half a trillion dollars in wealth every year, we totally need more of that. They can't agree on health care, but they can totally agree on TPP sending more jobs overseas!

Frankly, I think Trump is a racist and a fascist, but he RIGHT on this issue. Enough to get me to vote for him? Probably not. Enough to make me consider it? Maybe.

Ford and GM sold 500,000 cars in China alone. At bout 20K per vehicle, that is about $10,000,000,000 in sales that China would wipe off their books. That is just 2 companies. Wal-Mart has over 400 stores in China; more than it has in any single State. Imagine if you were to take Wal Mart's sales and remove all of California and Texas. That would be the blow that it would receive from the all too predictable retaliation for tariffing Chinese goods. Not to mention they own a lot of our debt. You want to see interest rates rise; let them cash in a few billion dollars worth of treasuries....

Its foolish to pick a fight with your creditor. It's more foolish to pick a fight with a country that has more weapons at its disposal.

The politics are unimportant since the Chinese are ambivalent to the party that controls the White House.

 

[JoeB131]

Ford and GM sold 500,000 cars in China alone. At bout 20K per vehicle, that is about $10,000,000,000 in sales that China would wipe off their books. That is just 2 companies. Wal-Mart has over 400 stores in China; more than it has in any single State. Imagine if you were to take Wal Mart's sales and remove all of California and Texas. That would be the blow that it would receive from the all too predictable retaliation for tariffing Chinese goods. Not to mention they own a lot of our debt. You want to see interest rates rise; let them cash in a few billion dollars worth of treasuries....

Its foolish to pick a fight with your creditor. It's more foolish to pick a fight with a country that has more weapons at its disposal.

The politics are unimportant since the Chinese are ambivalent to the party that controls the White House.

so your argument is that because we've already given away the store to China, we shouldn't stand up to their bad behavior?

I don't think so. If anything, China needs us more than we need them.

I'm personally a little tired of a government that is more concerned about the profits of GM and FOrd and WalMart than they are about the well-being of the American worker.

Between you and Toro, you might have me supporting Trump before the primaries come along.