You are all so proud..

[BlackAsCoal]

How do you know how many Dems were against the bailout, I was for it and I'm a Dem. Everyone on this board was against it but this board is filled with Cons, as for flip flopping, What, because he wouldnt take tax payer dollars to finance his election he is a flip flopper? He's smart, he wouldnt have had a chance with using his own financing strategy and Mccain knew it.

Not only were the VAST majority of democrats against the bailout, so was the VAST majority of Americans.

Additionally, throwing millions of tax payer dollars on corporations is against the very core of what the Democratic Party is supposed to stand for.

Please don't make me post Obama's flip flops .. I've done it before several times.

Try this google "obama flip flop XXXX"

Fill in the XXXX with just about any issue, then read the results.

 

[Red Dawn]

While all of you who voted for Obama are so proud that he won, many because our country elected our first black president, stop and consider, based strictly on his credentials and what he actually said, would he have even gotten as much as a second glance from most of you had he not been black?

I didn't vote for Obama because he's black.

And please, don't question anyone else's ability to judge candidates, particulary if you voted for George Dumbya Bush twice.

 

[editec]

I didn't vote for Obama because he's black.

And please, don't question anyone else's ability to judge candidates, particulary if you voted for George Dumbya Bush twice.

Spot the fuck on, RD.

 

[Caligirl]

You didn't vote for Obama???? And it is because he is black????

Might want to edit that -

 

[Caligirl]

Shit, and editect too?

 

[jschuck12001]

Not only were the VAST majority of democrats against the bailout, so was the VAST majority of Americans.

Additionally, throwing millions of tax payer dollars on corporations is against the very core of what the Democratic Party is supposed to stand for.

Please don't make me post Obama's flip flops .. I've done it before several times.

Try this google "obama flip flop XXXX"

Fill in the XXXX with just about any issue, then read the results.

Do you have stats on who was for and against it? Not trying to be an ass but I would like to see them. The people in my circle which are 28-40 and in the professional field were all for it, I can only speak for what I see but I havent seen any stats.

 

[Luc1]

I only know of two flip-flops from Obama: offshore drilling and public financing. What are the others?

With both of these, it's clear he did it to win. He's said that offshore drilling will take about 20 years to take effect on gas prices and that we need to invest in alternative energy because America only produces 2% of the world's oil but uses 25% of the world's oil. With public financing, it's because they had private, online donations down to a science and knew they'd get significantly more that way.

And as far as President Obama's re-election goes: odds are the Republicans will nominate a conservative Republican who supported Bush over 90% of the time again, and no matter what President Obama will do better than President Bush has done. In short: the Republican base is as dumb as George Bush.

 

[Caligirl]

I only know of two flip-flops from Obama: offshore drilling and public financing. What are the others?

FISA is a biggie. He'd damn well better get that straightened out.

 

[N4mddissent]

Shit, and editect too?

I think they mean being black wasn't the reason they voted for him.

 

[Caligirl]

I think so too but I had to read it like four times.

 

[Jeepers]

I voted for Obama for several reasons not related to race..

...Republicans couldnt be trusted with SC picks...
...Because of Macs over the top Bush support after the 2000 primary..
...Republicans did not deserve another four years based on the last eight
...Republicans needed retribution for years of antiamerican sentiment directed at those with differing opinions..
...Republicans need to know that you cant arbitrarily use the military to squash personal bugs..
... Nation building should be left to nations needing the building...
...Mac was obstinent and ugly throughout the campaign...
... the Mac campaign ran using divisive tactics...
... the Mac campaign really gave no specifics.. other that supposed maverickiness...
... Obama has a solid resume ran an extraordinary campaign...
...Obama stayed calm and collective throughout...
...Obama gave thoughtfull responses to most questions...
... I think its damn cool that Obama just happened to be black.
...saw michelle give a talk at an intimate art gallery venue ... she was brilliant and delightful. In fact, I would not doubt that she will be the first female president...

 

[sealybobo]

I voted for Obama for several reasons not related to race..

...Because of Macs over the top Bush support after the 2000 primary..
...Republicans did not deserve another four years based on the last eight
...Republicans needed retribution for years of antiamerican sentiment directed at those with differing opinions..
...Republicans need to know that you cant arbitrarily use the military to squash personal bugs..
... Nation building should be left to nations needing the building...
...Mac was obstinent and ugly throughout the campaign...
... the Mac campaign ran using divisive tactics...
... the Mac campaign really gave no specifics.. other that supposed maverickiness...
... Obama has a solid resume ran an extraordinary campaign...
...Obama stayed calm and collective throughout...
...Obama gave thoughtfull responses to most questions...
... I think its damn cool that Obama just happened to be black.
...saw michelle give a talk at an intimate art gallery venue ... she was brilliant and delightful. In fact, I would not doubt that she will be the first female president...

My friends old, uneducated, but fairly successful parents said to me, "you're voting for that guy", and I said yes, and they said, "I just don't trust him", and I laughed because Obama definately is more sincere than McCain.

And they think Michelle Obama is a B too. LOL. They just don't like a strong black woman.

They are from Greece. Been here for 40 years. But typical racist well to do white people who fear change.

There will be books written about the psychi of people who tend to be liberal and conservative. I'm sure there already are, but it's funny to see that uneducated people voted for McCain.

One theory is that they are afraid of a guy who might help the poor get out of poverty because then they'll have to compete with those new people.

But young college educated kids aren't afraid of that competition because they feel they'll succeed either way.

Very interesting.

It's the "they want what I have" mentality. They don't want things to be fair.

 

[Elyk88]

What you bolded is where I agree with you .. and I'm saying that a black face is the change he's offering, not you suggesting.

Ah by he you meant Obama..not me.

While I agree that that is part of the change. I think he has many new idea for change.

Problem is he doesn't specify whether it is good change or not

 

[BlackAsCoal]

Ah by he you meant Obama..not me.

While I agree that that is part of the change. I think he has many new idea for change.

Problem is he doesn't specify whether it is good change or not

BUT he was DECISIVELY elected to implement what those who supported expect as change .. those who didn't support him, like me, don't get to have a real say in what is expected of him or his supporters.

 

[BlackAsCoal]

Do you have stats on who was for and against it? Not trying to be an ass but I would like to see them. The people in my circle which are 28-40 and in the professional field were all for it, I can only speak for what I see but I havent seen any stats.

It's a sane and rationale question my brother and I certainly don't consider you an ass for asking it.

Poll: Most Americans Against Bush's Bailout Plan

Underscoring the hesitancy members of Congress have shown to approve the plan quickly, opposition was solid across party lines. Fewer than four in 10 Republicans, three in 10 Democrats and one in 10 independents said they support the package.
FOXNews.com - Poll: Most Americans Against Bush's Bailout Plan - Politics | Republican Party | Democratic Party | Political Spectrum

 

[Coloradomtnman]

It's a sane and rationale question my brother and I certainly don't consider you an ass for asking it.

Poll: Most Americans Against Bush's Bailout Plan

Underscoring the hesitancy members of Congress have shown to approve the plan quickly, opposition was solid across party lines. Fewer than four in 10 Republicans, three in 10 Democrats and one in 10 independents said they support the package.
FOXNews.com - Poll: Most Americans Against Bush's Bailout Plan - Politics | Republican Party | Democratic Party | Political Spectrum

I'm a radical leftist socialist and I was against the bail out. It was the politics of fear and there being no real oversight in the Bush Administration dolling it out. Already we've seen the misuse of this money. And is it really shoring up the banks? We're in a recession but I don't see it being as disastrous (yet) as was predicted. And there were some who predicted it wouldn't be disastrous at all and the bail out was totally unnecessary.

 

[jschuck12001]

It's a sane and rationale question my brother and I certainly don't consider you an ass for asking it.

Poll: Most Americans Against Bush's Bailout Plan

Underscoring the hesitancy members of Congress have shown to approve the plan quickly, opposition was solid across party lines. Fewer than four in 10 Republicans, three in 10 Democrats and one in 10 independents said they support the package.
FOXNews.com - Poll: Most Americans Against Bush's Bailout Plan - Politics | Republican Party | Democratic Party | Political Spectrum

Well I know how people felt back then but I was interested in how they felt after they realized what was at stake if we didnt do something. Usually it takes a while for people to digest reality as they tend to act on anger and emotion before they are educated on the situation.

 

[BlackAsCoal]

Well I know how people felt back then but I was interested in how they felt after they realized what was at stake if we didnt do something. Usually it takes a while for people to digest reality as they tend to act on anger and emotion before they are educated on the situation.

The bailout means exactly the same thing today as when it was first proposed. Americans have little actual say in their government .. AND, we exist in a plutocracy .. AND, they just stole about a trillion dollars right in front of our faces and there ain't a damn thing we can do about it.

The "education" is otherwise known as the mindfuck.

 

[Elyk88]

BUT he was DECISIVELY elected to implement what those who supported expect as change .. those who didn't support him, like me, don't get to have a real say in what is expected of him or his supporters.

I actually believe you have more of a say if he messes up and the supporters let it slide.

Problem is when he first started running...he had the hardcore anti-war people backing him. He's moved more towards center.

I think those people simply don't get it and will have a reality check when Obama takes a more centered view on handling Iran and Russia...which he will have to do.

not to mention redeploying troops to Afghanistan/ possibly Pakistan.

People who used to yell " Warmongering America " will be saying " Well some war is justified."

I'm only talking about the far far left. The ones who opposed Afghanistan. Not the slight left out of Iraq people.

 

[Coloradomtnman]

The bailout means exactly the same thing today as when it was first proposed. Americans have little actual say in their government .. AND, we exist in a plutocracy .. AND, they just stole about a trillion dollars right in front of our faces and there ain't a damn thing we can do about it.

The "education" is otherwise known as the mindfuck.

I just can't give you enough positive reputation.