Wyoming has highest gun per capita rate...and below average murder rate, guns don't cause murder.

[2aguy]

Anyone who actually thinks about gun issues and researches them.....will tell you...guns will not cause law abiding people to commit murder........those who use guns to murder other people are not normal.....actual research shows that those who commit murder are violent criminals with long histories of violence and crime going back to their teens......throw in drugs and alcohol and the myth of the normal gun owner who murders the wife over a burnt dinner or shoots the other guy over a fender bender are just that...a myth........

Wyoming shows this.......


Wyoming: 'More Guns Per Capita Than Any State,' Below Average Gun-Related Murders

CBS News’ Ted Koppel asked, “So what you’re telling me is, people need to be able to take care of themselves?” Steward responded, “Absolutely.”

The high rate of gun ownership in Wyoming–coupled with a correlating below average gun-related murder rate–dovetails with what studies showed as private gun ownership skyrocketed nationally between 1994 and 2009. According to the Congressional Research Service, the 192 million guns in private hands in 1994 swelled to 310 million firearms in 2009. At the same time, the “firearm-related murder and non-negligent homicide” rate was 6.6 per 100,000 Americans in 1993. Following the exponential growth in the number of guns, that rate fell to 3.6 per 100,000 in 2000. It fell to 3.2 per 100,000 by 2011.

 

[Pogo]

WYoning [sic] has highest gun per capita rate...and below average murder rate, guns don't cause murder.

No shit, Sherlock. Wyoming also has the thinnest population density in the conterminous 48. That's far more relevant.

 

[2aguy]

WYoning [sic] has highest gun per capita rate...and below average murder rate, guns don't cause murder.

No shit, Sherlock. Wyoming also has the thinnest population density in the conterminous 48. That's far more relevant.

Hey asswipe......sorry, the anti gun nuts tell us that doesn't matter...that just the mere presence of guns turns normal, law abiding into killers....so wyomings gun murder rate should be higher than the national norm since they have so many guns per capita........and th y don't...

As I keep telling you morons it isn't access to guns........it is the criminal culture and how they look at murder..........Europe is awash in guns...their criminals get them easily......they just don't murder 9 year olds to get revenge on the kids gang banger dad......our criminals do..........major differences...not the guns.....

Vermont has the same population as Balitmore with almost zero gun control laws...Baltimore has every single gun law you mutters want......they are your dream city......and the Baltimore gun murder rate is higher than the whole state of Vermont........so access to guns, number of guns has nothing to do with the gun murder rate........criminal control and criminal culture determines the murder rate...

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

WYoning [sic] has highest gun per capita rate...and below average murder rate, guns don't cause murder.

No shit, Sherlock. Wyoming also has the thinnest population density in the conterminous 48. That's far more relevant.

And almost no black people.

Just sayin'.

 

[Pogo]

Hey asswipe......sorry, the anti gun nuts tell us that doesn't matter...that just the mere presence of guns turns normal, law abiding into killers....so wyomings gun murder rate should be higher than the national norm since they have so many guns per capita........and th y don't...

And your link to this is ------------- where?

Oh wait ... here he comes now.

Vermont has the same population as Balitmore with almost zero gun control laws...Baltimore has every single gun law you mutters want......they are your dream city......and the Baltimore gun murder rate is higher than the whole state of Vermont........so access to guns, number of guns has nothing to do with the gun murder rate........criminal control and criminal culture determines the murder rate...

Again --- Vermont is the most rural state in the US, counted by number of population living in rural vs. city dwellings.

--- which underscores that my first post sailed completely over your head.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Vermont has the loosest gun laws in the country and virtually no gun crime whatsoever.

 

[2aguy]

Hey asswipe......sorry, the anti gun nuts tell us that doesn't matter...that just the mere presence of guns turns normal, law abiding into killers....so wyomings gun murder rate should be higher than the national norm since they have so many guns per capita........and th y don't...

And your link to this is ------------- where?

Oh wait ... here he comes now.

Vermont has the same population as Balitmore with almost zero gun control laws...Baltimore has every single gun law you mutters want......they are your dream city......and the Baltimore gun murder rate is higher than the whole state of Vermont........so access to guns, number of guns has nothing to do with the gun murder rate........criminal control and criminal culture determines the murder rate...

Again --- Vermont is the most rural state in the US, counted by number of population living in rural vs. city dwellings.

--- which underscores that my first post sailed completely over your head.

Population of Balitmore..2013...... 622,104

population of Vermont.....626,562

Gun mirder rate 2010.....

Vermont...2 for the whole, gun free state...

Baltimore...

 

[Katzndogz]

Hey asswipe......sorry, the anti gun nuts tell us that doesn't matter...that just the mere presence of guns turns normal, law abiding into killers....so wyomings gun murder rate should be higher than the national norm since they have so many guns per capita........and th y don't...

And your link to this is ------------- where?

Oh wait ... here he comes now.

Vermont has the same population as Balitmore with almost zero gun control laws...Baltimore has every single gun law you mutters want......they are your dream city......and the Baltimore gun murder rate is higher than the whole state of Vermont........so access to guns, number of guns has nothing to do with the gun murder rate........criminal control and criminal culture determines the murder rate...

Again --- Vermont is the most rural state in the US, counted by number of population living in rural vs. city dwellings.

--- which underscores that my first post sailed completely over your head.

Population of Balitmore..2013...... 622,104

344 homicides in 2015... 90% from guns....

Deadliest year in Baltimore history ends with 344 homicides

population of Vermont.....626,562

It pains me to disagree with you. It really does. It isn't just a matter of numbers. It's a matter of congestion. The people of Vermont just don't live on top of each other like they do in Baltimore.

Rats and humans form very similar social structures. When a rat colony gets too crowded, the rats stop cooperating. They start killing one another indiscriminately and they eat their babies.

That's Baltimore.

 

[Conservative65]

WYoning [sic] has highest gun per capita rate...and below average murder rate, guns don't cause murder.

No shit, Sherlock. Wyoming also has the thinnest population density in the conterminous 48. That's far more relevant.

Does that mean when gun control nuts use per capita gun ownership trying to support the laws they want passed they are no longer relevant?

 

[2aguy]

Hey asswipe......sorry, the anti gun nuts tell us that doesn't matter...that just the mere presence of guns turns normal, law abiding into killers....so wyomings gun murder rate should be higher than the national norm since they have so many guns per capita........and th y don't...

And your link to this is ------------- where?

Oh wait ... here he comes now.

Vermont has the same population as Balitmore with almost zero gun control laws...Baltimore has every single gun law you mutters want......they are your dream city......and the Baltimore gun murder rate is higher than the whole state of Vermont........so access to guns, number of guns has nothing to do with the gun murder rate........criminal control and criminal culture determines the murder rate...

Again --- Vermont is the most rural state in the US, counted by number of population living in rural vs. city dwellings.

--- which underscores that my first post sailed completely over your head.

Population of Balitmore..2013...... 622,104

344 homicides in 2015... 90% from guns....

Deadliest year in Baltimore history ends with 344 homicides

population of Vermont.....626,562

It pains me to disagree with you. It really does. It isn't just a matter of numbers. It's a matter of congestion. The people of Vermont just don't live on top of each other like they do in Baltimore.

Rats and humans form very similar social structures. When a rat colony gets too crowded, the rats stop cooperating. They start killing one another indiscriminately and they eat their babies.

That's Baltimore.

Sorry to disagree with you..that isn't the argument the gun grabbers make......they make the specific argument that more guns mean more gun crime...they state that if you have more guns.....that automatically means more people will shoot each other...

Also..they state that more gun laws will reduce gun murder rates....

Vermont has the least restrictive gun laws in the country.......

Baltimore has every single gun law that the anti gunners want?.they have assault weapon ban, magazine limits, waiting periods, gun registration, fingerprinting gun owners...every single law...and higher gun murder rates........

Guns are not the issue.....the ill to commit murder is the issue.....

Also...Chicago has 3 million people.

New York has 8 million people.

They both have the same extreme gun control...Chicago has a higher gun murder rate than New York.....

The same applies between Chicago and L.A.......

Access to guns does not create gun crime or murder...even in these cities with gun crime......the actual gun crime is isolated to very small areas of the city...it is not a city wide problem.....so even there he is wrong....

Criminal culture and the willingness to commit murder are the issue...not guns....

 

[Conservative65]

WYoning [sic] has highest gun per capita rate...and below average murder rate, guns don't cause murder.

No shit, Sherlock. Wyoming also has the thinnest population density in the conterminous 48. That's far more relevant.

And almost no black people.

Just sayin'.

Wyoming has a population (2015 estimates by Census Bureau) of 586,107. 1.4%, or 8,206 are black.

 

[2aguy]

Again..the anti gunners are very clear....

1) more guns = more crime

2) more gun laws = less gun crime...

Neither of those points is true.........

More Americans own guns....200 million in 1990s....357 million in 2016... And the gun murder rate went down.

Chicago and New York have the same gun laws...and the same nutty enforcement....and Chicago with 3 million people has a higher number of gun murders than New York, with a population of 8 million people......

 

[Conservative65]

Hey asswipe......sorry, the anti gun nuts tell us that doesn't matter...that just the mere presence of guns turns normal, law abiding into killers....so wyomings gun murder rate should be higher than the national norm since they have so many guns per capita........and th y don't...

And your link to this is ------------- where?

Oh wait ... here he comes now.

Vermont has the same population as Balitmore with almost zero gun control laws...Baltimore has every single gun law you mutters want......they are your dream city......and the Baltimore gun murder rate is higher than the whole state of Vermont........so access to guns, number of guns has nothing to do with the gun murder rate........criminal control and criminal culture determines the murder rate...

Again --- Vermont is the most rural state in the US, counted by number of population living in rural vs. city dwellings.

--- which underscores that my first post sailed completely over your head.

Population of Balitmore..2013...... 622,104

344 homicides in 2015... 90% from guns....

Deadliest year in Baltimore history ends with 344 homicides

population of Vermont.....626,562

It pains me to disagree with you. It really does. It isn't just a matter of numbers. It's a matter of congestion. The people of Vermont just don't live on top of each other like they do in Baltimore.

Rats and humans form very similar social structures. When a rat colony gets too crowded, the rats stop cooperating. They start killing one another indiscriminately and they eat their babies.

That's Baltimore.

WYoning [sic] has highest gun per capita rate...and below average murder rate, guns don't cause murder.

No shit, Sherlock. Wyoming also has the thinnest population density in the conterminous 48. That's far more relevant.

Hey asswipe......sorry, the anti gun nuts tell us that doesn't matter...that just the mere presence of guns turns normal, law abiding into killers....so wyomings gun murder rate should be higher than the national norm since they have so many guns per capita........and th y don't...

As I keep telling you morons it isn't access to guns........it is the criminal culture and how they look at murder..........Europe is awash in guns...their criminals get them easily......they just don't murder 9 year olds to get revenge on the kids gang banger dad......our criminals do..........major differences...not the guns.....

Vermont has the same population as Balitmore with almost zero gun control laws...Baltimore has every single gun law you mutters want......they are your dream city......and the Baltimore gun murder rate is higher than the whole state of Vermont........so access to guns, number of guns has nothing to do with the gun murder rate........criminal control and criminal culture determines the murder rate...

Seems Pogo contradicts the argument used by the gun control nuts. They often use the per capita gun ownership rate as support for favoring stricter laws. Now, when it shows not to be true, people like Pogo ignore that factor. It's now something else.

I get that same bullshit from them when it comes to education spending. They'll argue that poorer schools don't get as much in spending as other schools. When I explain to them that there are 15 high schools in the district where I live and all but one, whether it was in a poorer or wealthier area of the district, just had a new school built. In addition, per pupil spending is the same district wide regardless of school. Each student has the same books, desks, teachers, lessons, and opportunities as every other student in that school regardless of race/ethnicity. Once that is shown, rather than admitting they're wrong, they find some other excuse.

 

[rightwinger]

Wyoming has 400,000 people spread over one of our larger states

Last I heard, there are two escalators in the whole state

The State of Wyoming Has 2 Escalators

 

[Katzndogz]

I love Wyoming. There are the Indian Reservations that are miles and miles of empty miles dotted with the odd double wide on a foundation. Then there are the national forests like Yellowstone.

Two escalators is plenty.

 

[Pogo]

Hey asswipe......sorry, the anti gun nuts tell us that doesn't matter...that just the mere presence of guns turns normal, law abiding into killers....so wyomings gun murder rate should be higher than the national norm since they have so many guns per capita........and th y don't...

And your link to this is ------------- where?

Oh wait ... here he comes now.

Vermont has the same population as Balitmore with almost zero gun control laws...Baltimore has every single gun law you mutters want......they are your dream city......and the Baltimore gun murder rate is higher than the whole state of Vermont........so access to guns, number of guns has nothing to do with the gun murder rate........criminal control and criminal culture determines the murder rate...

Again --- Vermont is the most rural state in the US, counted by number of population living in rural vs. city dwellings.

--- which underscores that my first post sailed completely over your head.

Population of Balitmore..2013...... 622,104

population of Vermont.....626,562

Gun mirder rate 2010.....

Vermont...2 for the whole, gun free state...

Baltimore...

Incredible that you're willing to look this stupid, even anonymously.

Have any idea how much bigger, physically, Vermont is than the city of Baltimore?
Put the same number of people into a space a hundred times smaller, what changes?

POPULATION DENSITY.

Fucking moron.

 

[Pogo]

Vermont has the loosest gun laws in the country and virtually no gun crime whatsoever.

And regardless of the gun laws -- which are irrelevant -- it has the most rural population in the country. Close your eyes and go "la la la" all you like but that's where it's at and it ain't going away.

That's exactly why people from New York and such MOVE there.

 

[Kondor3]

Guns don't kill people...

Feral Blacks in inner-city shit-holes kill people...

 

[Pogo]

Sorry to disagree with you..that isn't the argument the gun grabbers make......they make the specific argument that more guns mean more gun crime...they state that if you have more guns.....that automatically means more people will shoot each other...

Again -- nobody made that argument. Except this guy.

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--- You sincerely don't get why that's a bogus argument, do you?

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WYoning [sic] has highest gun per capita rate...and below average murder rate, guns don't cause murder.

No shit, Sherlock. Wyoming also has the thinnest population density in the conterminous 48. That's far more relevant.

Does that mean when gun control nuts use per capita gun ownership trying to support the laws they want passed they are no longer relevant?

Such as?

Again..the anti gunners are very clear....

1) more guns = more crime

2) more gun laws = less gun crime...

Neither of those points is true.........

Nor are they extant, except as your own strawman.

 

[Conservative65]

Sorry to disagree with you..that isn't the argument the gun grabbers make......they make the specific argument that more guns mean more gun crime...they state that if you have more guns.....that automatically means more people will shoot each other...

Again -- nobody made that argument. Except this guy.

​

--- You sincerely don't get why that's a bogus argument, do you?

​

WYoning [sic] has highest gun per capita rate...and below average murder rate, guns don't cause murder.

No shit, Sherlock. Wyoming also has the thinnest population density in the conterminous 48. That's far more relevant.

Does that mean when gun control nuts use per capita gun ownership trying to support the laws they want passed they are no longer relevant?

Such as?

The argument Liberals use that the U.S. has the highest per capita gun ownership rate in the world, therefore, we have more murders because we have more guns. That one.

Based on what say, the per capita arguments are no longer valid.