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PTSD is not what you said it is, you stupid troll. You've obviously never known anyone with it real bad. They do not have nightmares because of who the president was, they have it from being in mortal terror for prolonged periods and witnessing unspeakable horrors.No, my immature, friend, you have no idea what YOU'RE talking about.You do not know what you are talking about, stop now.PTSD is undue emotional stress largely due to lack of support from the upper echelon.Trump is talking the indiscriminate killing of civilians, a war crime. It's not a matter of sympathy so much as our president forcing our young men and women to do illegal things that would destroy our standing in the world.We also gleaned that you're a bleeding heart retard who has as much sympathy for brutal murderers as for people who volunteer for the Salvation Army.
I agree. PTSD in our military is already bad enough - I can only imagine what it would be like under a President Trump.
Trump, as Command-In-Chief, would order our Military to kill first, be fired at second.
Before Bill Clitoris, we had REAL Commanders-In-Chief.
PTSD is not what you said it is, you stupid troll. You've obviously never known anyone with it real bad. They do not have nightmares because of who the president was, they have it from being in mortal terror for prolonged periods and witnessing unspeakable horrors.No, my immature, friend, you have no idea what YOU'RE talking about.You do not know what you are talking about, stop now.PTSD is undue emotional stress largely due to lack of support from the upper echelon.Trump is talking the indiscriminate killing of civilians, a war crime. It's not a matter of sympathy so much as our president forcing our young men and women to do illegal things that would destroy our standing in the world.
I agree. PTSD in our military is already bad enough - I can only imagine what it would be like under a President Trump.
Trump, as Command-In-Chief, would order our Military to kill first, be fired at second.
Before Bill Clitoris, we had REAL Commanders-In-Chief.
Even if some officers thought his orders were illegal or unethical.
Donald J. Trump is causing some high anxiety inside the military.
He has suggested carpet-bombing Syrian cities, assassinating the families of Islamic State fighters and torturing detainees, all illegal under international or U.S. law. He has proposed withdrawing troops from South Korea (a similar troop withdrawal helped ignite the 1950 Korean War), advocated disengaging from NATO, and declared that Japan would be “better off” with its own nuclear weapons. And he has famously bragged, “I know more about ISIS than the generals!”
The U.S. military prides itself on scrupulous adherence to strict moral and ethical values. While some in the ranks may be passionate Trump supporters, for others, the idea of actually carrying out his more bizarre ideas is unthinkable.
“I cannot imagine active-duty troops doing what Trump is stating,” said Paul Eaton, an Army two-star general who resigned in 2006 in protest against Bush administration military policies. “I believe we would have outright defiance,” Eaton told The Huffington Post. Michael Hayden, a retired Air Force four-star general and former director of the National Security Agency, is even more blunt. Given an order to kill families of suspected terrorists, “the American armed forces would refuse to act,” he said.
Trump has fired back. “They won’t refuse. They’re not going to refuse me,” he boasted at a March 3 GOP presidential debate. “Believe me ― If I say do it, they’re gonna do it.”
Trump may be right. Despite its occasional disagreements with presidents and civilian officials, the military doesn’t have an especially proud record of refusing orders. Military officers swear an oath of allegiance to the Constitution, not to the commander in chief. Nevertheless, the top brass, despite deep misgivings about the conduct of the wars in Vietnam and Iraq, quietly went along with what the White House wanted. In 11 years of war in Vietnam, 58,220 Americans were killed; 4,520 Americans have died in the still-raging Iraq War so far.
“Do what’s right, legally and morally,” the Army instructs its soldiers.
--U.S. Army Doctrine, Army Values
The record suggests that the United States military, which takes pride in its strong professional ethics, nevertheless is no bulwark against military fiascos.
“It’s hard for military officers to disobey orders,” said Peter Mansoor, a historian and retired Army colonel who was the top aide to Gen. David Petraeus during the Iraq War troop surge in 2007-2008. “It’s a career-ending move that likely will get you court-martialed. One has to be willing to put one’s future on the line.”
The legal lines are clear. Waterboarding, used on detainees during the Bush administration as an “enhanced interrogation technique,” or torture, is illegal under international and now U.S. law. The deliberate targeting of war-zone civilians, whether or not they are related to ISIS fighters or other terrorists, is a war crime under international law.
Nevertheless, Trump has asserted that both are necessary and, if he’s president, would be part of his war on ISIS.
“You have to take out their families,” Trump said three times during a phone interviewwith Fox News last December, brushing aside the issue of civilian casualties as “political correctness.”
These and other Trump pronouncements may be impulsive bluster, but they clash hard against the military’s values of personal courage, honor, integrity and loyalty, among others. At its core, the military’s value system is its commitment to use lethal violence only when legally and morally justified.
“Do what’s right, legally and morally,” the Army instructs its soldiers. “Facing moral fear or adversity may be a long, slow process of continuing forward on the right path, especially if taking those actions is not popular with others.”
More: Would The Military Obey Commander In Chief Trump? Probably.
This is yet another reason why I find the thought of a President Trump very dangerous and repugnant - because I agree with the OP that most soldiers would likely obey illegal, immoral and/or unethical orders from the president.
What the hell are you talking about? Trump cannot be the fierce warhawk you want and not get our men neck deep in blood and guts.PTSD is not what you said it is, you stupid troll. You've obviously never known anyone with it real bad. They do not have nightmares because of who the president was, they have it from being in mortal terror for prolonged periods and witnessing unspeakable horrors.No, my immature, friend, you have no idea what YOU'RE talking about.You do not know what you are talking about, stop now.PTSD is undue emotional stress largely due to lack of support from the upper echelon.I agree. PTSD in our military is already bad enough - I can only imagine what it would be like under a President Trump.
Trump, as Command-In-Chief, would order our Military to kill first, be fired at second.
Before Bill Clitoris, we had REAL Commanders-In-Chief.
This is true, but thanks to technology, battle is NOT what it used to be.
And the key issue here is, to quote you, "being in mortal terror for prolonged periods".
A real C-I-C in these modern terms need NOT expose his troops to such conditions.
But you already knew that.
Obama has not directly ordered them to murder civilians for one and he has not been eager to waste their lives in more useless occupations. I am sure there are some in the military would love to be over there killing for the joy of it but nothing is more of a tragic waste than military action for the sake of glory. Glory fades but war crimes live forever.Hell they obeyed Barrack why wouldn't they obey President Trump?
And you know this because?.....What the hell are you talking about? Trump cannot be the fierce warhawk you want and not get our men neck deep in blood and guts.PTSD is not what you said it is, you stupid troll. You've obviously never known anyone with it real bad. They do not have nightmares because of who the president was, they have it from being in mortal terror for prolonged periods and witnessing unspeakable horrors.No, my immature, friend, you have no idea what YOU'RE talking about.You do not know what you are talking about, stop now.PTSD is undue emotional stress largely due to lack of support from the upper echelon.
Trump, as Command-In-Chief, would order our Military to kill first, be fired at second.
Before Bill Clitoris, we had REAL Commanders-In-Chief.
This is true, but thanks to technology, battle is NOT what it used to be.
And the key issue here is, to quote you, "being in mortal terror for prolonged periods".
A real C-I-C in these modern terms need NOT expose his troops to such conditions.
But you already knew that.
--------------------------------------- think that your post is hyperbole and exaggeration . Conscription and enlistment were fine and were best for many years . A mix of both conscripts and volunteer balance each other and are best in keeping the USA military close to the American people . A professional military will fight for MONEY or for the 'king' or the unamerican president or ruler and they'd do it because its their job that they do for the MONEY Occupied .Conscription would certainly be necessary after destroying morale to the point where reenlistment falls off a cliff. We are the good guys here, I do not understand the argument that we should be just as horrible and murderous as ISISOur military men and women are not emotionless killbots or worthless cannon fodder. Commanders who treat them that way do not deserve command, this is not just my opinion, it is the very basis of an all volunteer force.------------------------------------ i hope that the TRUMP can purge some , hopefully ALL of the unAmerican diversity that has been inserted into American military and Government ranks .Donald J. Trump is causing some high anxiety inside the military.
I'm sure some of the transgender officers Obama promoted are nervous.
I agree. I can imagine Trump reinstating the military draft and using the threat of capital punishment for anyone who would disobey his orders.
Why do you say that people who aren't white, aren't male, aren't straight, and/or aren't Christian, are "un-American"?What, you want an all-white male heterosexual Christian military? I doubt one ever existed.
If they'll obey Obama, they'll obey anybody.
But they will probably be encouraged that what President Trump tells them to do, will follow the Constitution, and will benefit Americans first.
Now why didn't I think of saying that?Hell they obeyed Barrack why wouldn't they obey President Trump?
Donald J. Trump is causing some high anxiety inside the military.
I'm sure some of the transgender officers Obama promoted are nervous.
Is that really all you gleaned from the OP?
------------------------------------ i hope that the TRUMP can purge some , hopefully ALL of the unAmerican diversity that has been inserted into American military and Government ranks .
Stalin was big on purging the military as well.
So, that's yet another way Trump fans are like Stalinists.
Luckily, there just aren't enough really, really, reeeeeeeeeeaaaaally stupid people in this country to get him elected, but just the thought of that buffoon having even a tiny chance of being elected more than likely has every member of the military from top to bottom on edge.Donald J. Trump is causing some high anxiety inside the military.
I'm sure some of the transgender officers Obama promoted are nervous.
I just glanced through your first opening post . Its too long and the thing that i saw that made me stop reading is your reference to 'international law' . Feck 'international law' as the USA is a SOVEREIGN Nation and lets hope that the Trump return to the principles of American Sovereignty and everything that the words American Sovereignty means Lakhota .
"International law" helps to protect all civilized sovereign nations. All for one and one for all. Putin hates international law and NATO.
Are you mentally ill?Even if some officers thought his orders were illegal or unethical.
Donald J. Trump is causing some high anxiety inside the military.
He has suggested carpet-bombing Syrian cities, assassinating the families of Islamic State fighters and torturing detainees, all illegal under international or U.S. law. He has proposed withdrawing troops from South Korea (a similar troop withdrawal helped ignite the 1950 Korean War), advocated disengaging from NATO, and declared that Japan would be “better off” with its own nuclear weapons. And he has famously bragged, “I know more about ISIS than the generals!”
The U.S. military prides itself on scrupulous adherence to strict moral and ethical values. While some in the ranks may be passionate Trump supporters, for others, the idea of actually carrying out his more bizarre ideas is unthinkable.
“I cannot imagine active-duty troops doing what Trump is stating,” said Paul Eaton, an Army two-star general who resigned in 2006 in protest against Bush administration military policies. “I believe we would have outright defiance,” Eaton told The Huffington Post. Michael Hayden, a retired Air Force four-star general and former director of the National Security Agency, is even more blunt. Given an order to kill families of suspected terrorists, “the American armed forces would refuse to act,” he said.
Trump has fired back. “They won’t refuse. They’re not going to refuse me,” he boasted at a March 3 GOP presidential debate. “Believe me ― If I say do it, they’re gonna do it.”
Trump may be right. Despite its occasional disagreements with presidents and civilian officials, the military doesn’t have an especially proud record of refusing orders. Military officers swear an oath of allegiance to the Constitution, not to the commander in chief. Nevertheless, the top brass, despite deep misgivings about the conduct of the wars in Vietnam and Iraq, quietly went along with what the White House wanted. In 11 years of war in Vietnam, 58,220 Americans were killed; 4,520 Americans have died in the still-raging Iraq War so far.
“Do what’s right, legally and morally,” the Army instructs its soldiers.
--U.S. Army Doctrine, Army Values
The record suggests that the United States military, which takes pride in its strong professional ethics, nevertheless is no bulwark against military fiascos.
“It’s hard for military officers to disobey orders,” said Peter Mansoor, a historian and retired Army colonel who was the top aide to Gen. David Petraeus during the Iraq War troop surge in 2007-2008. “It’s a career-ending move that likely will get you court-martialed. One has to be willing to put one’s future on the line.”
The legal lines are clear. Waterboarding, used on detainees during the Bush administration as an “enhanced interrogation technique,” or torture, is illegal under international and now U.S. law. The deliberate targeting of war-zone civilians, whether or not they are related to ISIS fighters or other terrorists, is a war crime under international law.
Nevertheless, Trump has asserted that both are necessary and, if he’s president, would be part of his war on ISIS.
“You have to take out their families,” Trump said three times during a phone interviewwith Fox News last December, brushing aside the issue of civilian casualties as “political correctness.”
These and other Trump pronouncements may be impulsive bluster, but they clash hard against the military’s values of personal courage, honor, integrity and loyalty, among others. At its core, the military’s value system is its commitment to use lethal violence only when legally and morally justified.
“Do what’s right, legally and morally,” the Army instructs its soldiers. “Facing moral fear or adversity may be a long, slow process of continuing forward on the right path, especially if taking those actions is not popular with others.”
More: Would The Military Obey Commander In Chief Trump? Probably.
This is yet another reason why I find the thought of a President Trump very dangerous and repugnant - because I agree with the OP that most soldiers would likely obey illegal, immoral and/or unethical orders from the president.
Yes. Mentally ill.------------------------------------ i hope that the TRUMP can purge some , hopefully ALL of the unAmerican diversity that has been inserted into American military and Government ranks .Donald J. Trump is causing some high anxiety inside the military.
I'm sure some of the transgender officers Obama promoted are nervous.
What, you want an all-white male heterosexual Christian military? I doubt one ever existed.
Trump would have scrambled F16's to benghazi. they would have gone.
as America, we would at least have tried. there would be no cover up in the aftermath.
No real American soldier has any concern about the racial makeup of any other American soldier.-------------------------- no real American has any concern about the racial makeup of any member of the American military Lakhota .------------------------------------ i hope that the TRUMP can purge some , hopefully ALL of the unAmerican diversity that has been inserted into American military and Government ranks .Donald J. Trump is causing some high anxiety inside the military.
I'm sure some of the transgender officers Obama promoted are nervous.
What, you want an all-white male heterosexual Christian military? I doubt one ever existed.
BullshitLuckily, there just aren't enough really, really, reeeeeeeeeeaaaaally stupid people in this country to get him elected, but just the thought of that buffoon having even a tiny chance of being elected more than likely has every member of the military from top to bottom on edge.Donald J. Trump is causing some high anxiety inside the military.
I'm sure some of the transgender officers Obama promoted are nervous.
