Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker officially cuts collective bargaining

[froggy]

Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker officially cuts collective bargaining

 

[bucs90]

WE WON WE WON WE WON!!!

 

[Flopper]

Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker officially cuts collective bargaining

Destroying collective bargaining, which means destroying the unions would be a huge win for Republicans. Democrats would lose support from unions, a big deal. It would also allow large corporations that employ blue collar workers to push wages down to meet foreign competition, another big win for Republicans.

Destroying collective bargaining also allows states and local government to cut the biggest part of their budget, public education and make no mistake, they will do so. This again serves Republicans. They have made it quite clear that they want to see public education replaced with private schools funded by tuitions and government vouchers for the poor.

Destruction of collective bargaining is not about solving a temporary budget problem. It is about a permanent shift in political power and a major change in American society.

 

[Mad Scientist]

No one lost their job and the earth still rotates!

Amazing!

 

[Old Rocks]

Best wait to see what the recall petitions bring about before stating that no one lost their job.

 

[Charles_Main]

Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker officially cuts collective bargaining

Not on Salaries. Just on benefits, over time Etc. They are still about to collectively bargain on their actually wages.

Even FDR warned of the Dangers of Public Employees and Collective Bargaining.

A victory for the Tax Payers of Wis, and the Teachers who would have been laid off had it not passed.

The Changes the Teachers union has been forced to accept with out Bargaining, are Rather Modest and still leave the teachers with better than Average Benefits.

This Crisis demonstrated one thing painfully clearly. That many Democrats are straight up the property of Unions, especially it seems the Public Sector Unions.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Best wait to see what the recall petitions bring about before stating that no one lost their job.

Yeah, keep us posted on that...

 

[bucs90]

WE WON WE WON WE WON!!!

Just this ^^^

 

[yota5]

I'm glad to see that we've finally got a class of politicians with the balls to do what is right. We've got a lot more work to do. God Bless America.

 

[earthling01]

In response to those who dance on the Unions grave...

I'm not sure anyone can claim victory here. (But that's a cute dancing icon anyhow...)

Did busting union right get your job back? (I mean "your job" as a collective, not a specific reference). Busting the unions is not likely to accomplish that. Your job did not get up and walk away by itself. It's gone mostly because it was shipped overseas by billionaires like David and Charles Koch, the same folks who put Gov Walker in power. Your job was not worth his time to save, because David Koch can hire six employees overseas to replace you.

The fact is Gov Walker is just a shill for the wealthiest Americans. But instead of accepting the unions agreement to increase their own benefit contributions (he wouldn't take "yes" for an answer), he decided to take away their workers' rights, which is what he really wanted in the first place.

Now if someone started legislation to take away Walker's bargaining rights and benefits package, well, we can be sure that would be another thing altogether...

The permanent power shift referred to earlier in this post is not a victory for anyone, unless of course you are David Koch, because that is the goal of private industries to take power from those labor unions who make certain "demands". They can rake in more money than ever without those pesky unions standing up for weekend rights and furloughs, and all those damn benefits Koch has to pay for--right out of his own enormous profits!

I know you all feel that teachers are incompetent, overpaid and taking advantage of the tax payers, that they have exorbitant retirement packages and benefits.

But the teachers I know are living paycheck to paycheck and put in long, unpaid overtime hours, drive lackluster vehicles, and still take paycuts due to lack of tax revenues and inflation. Their deal is to accept a lower salary IN EXCHANGE FOR the job security and those benefits that everyone is complaining about.

Your benefits package may not be that great, but believe me, private sector salaries ARE higher; it's a fact.

In short, your job was not taken by a union worker; it was sent overseas by your company's CEO. And you home was not stolen away by teachers and laborers; it was taken away by irresponsible bankers and mortgage lenders.

So if you wanna call it a victory, while dancing around "We won, We won", just remember it's a only a victory for the people you took your home and job away. And once they have taken away union rights, they'll move on to YOUR salaries, YOUR rights and benefits as well. And then maybe the "big picture" that this event paints will become a little clearer to you.

Way to go, folks!

 

[Oddball]

Best wait to see what the recall petitions bring about before stating that no one lost their job.

I'll be passing the one around to recall that bloated fleebagging dicknose, Bob Jauch.

Hope that makes you happy.

 

[code1211]

Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker officially cuts collective bargaining

Destroying collective bargaining, which means destroying the unions would be a huge win for Republicans. Democrats would lose support from unions, a big deal. It would also allow large corporations that employ blue collar workers to push wages down to meet foreign competition, another big win for Republicans.

Destroying collective bargaining also allows states and local government to cut the biggest part of their budget, public education and make no mistake, they will do so. This again serves Republicans. They have made it quite clear that they want to see public education replaced with private schools funded by tuitions and government vouchers for the poor.

Destruction of collective bargaining is not about solving a temporary budget problem. It is about a permanent shift in political power and a major change in American society.

That is exactly correct. The unions in government have been negotiated against disinterested third parties for years. The Unions are greedy and the opposing negotiators have no skin in the game.

As a result, teachers earn 42% more than their USA co-workers in the private sector.

Let's look at this a different way. Our 12th grade students rank right behind The Czech Republic in Test Scores internationally. The average American teacher is paid $4,055/month. The average Czech Republic Teacher is paid $681/month.

So our teacheers are paid about 6 times as much to produce an inferior result. What may we gleen from this?


Academic Failure - International Test Scores - Poor TIMSS Results
Teacher Average Salary Income - International Comparison

 

[code1211]

In response to those who dance on the Unions grave...

I'm not sure anyone can claim victory here. (But that's a cute dancing icon anyhow...)

Did busting union right get your job back? (I mean "your job" as a collective, not a specific reference). Busting the unions is not likely to accomplish that. Your job did not get up and walk away by itself. It's gone mostly because it was shipped overseas by billionaires like David and Charles Koch, the same folks who put Gov Walker in power. Your job was not worth his time to save, because David Koch can hire six employees overseas to replace you.

<snip>

So, just to be clear, the good folks who are assembling Hondas, Toyotas and Subarus right here here in the USA are people who are dupes of big business? These are non-union folks who build a quality product and do so for less money making their superior product less costly for the consumer.

The evil rich folks exported jobs overseas say the hypnotized automatons of the left. In the mean time, the union members produce inferior products that are more costly and spend most of their time trying to figure out how to screw the supervisor and work the system.

The people who actively work to make the product less competitive see their jobs go to people who actively work to make their product more competitive. Then, the union guys who strive to make their value go down complain when the producers find that there is higher value elsewhere.

What's wrong with this picture?

 

[Mini 14]

Best wait to see what the recall petitions bring about before stating that no one lost their job.

I am ashamed of myself.......

How I missed the probability that our biggest conspiracy theorist would seize the "but...but...but the recalls!!!!" battle cry should have been as obvious as water being wet.

DOH!!!

 

[Finnguy]

Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker officially cuts collective bargaining

Destroying collective bargaining, which means destroying the unions would be a huge win for Republicans. Democrats would lose support from unions, a big deal. It would also allow large corporations that employ blue collar workers to push wages down to meet foreign competition, another big win for Republicans.

Destroying collective bargaining also allows states and local government to cut the biggest part of their budget, public education and make no mistake, they will do so. This again serves Republicans. They have made it quite clear that they want to see public education replaced with private schools funded by tuitions and government vouchers for the poor.

Destruction of collective bargaining is not about solving a temporary budget problem. It is about a permanent shift in political power and a major change in American society.

That is exactly correct. The unions in government have been negotiated against disinterested third parties for years. The Unions are greedy and the opposing negotiators have no skin in the game.

As a result, teachers earn 42% more than their USA co-workers in the private sector.

Let's look at this a different way. Our 12th grade students rank right behind The Czech Republic in Test Scores internationally. The average American teacher is paid $4,055/month. The average Czech Republic Teacher is paid $681/month.

So our teacheers are paid about 6 times as much to produce an inferior result. What may we gleen from this?


Academic Failure - International Test Scores - Poor TIMSS Results
Teacher Average Salary Income - International Comparison

All the teachers I know live from paycheck to paycheck. Its hard to attract good teachers without a reasonable salary, the possibility of which in Wisconsin has now gone out the door. Their education is going to suffer because they aren't going to attract the best teachers.

 

[Bernard]

Just look how the union thugs handled the situation with a mass riot in the capital building for days on end turning it into a pigpen.

If the Tea Party had done the same the media would have been all over them.

When the union heads turn into thugs you got to bust the unions. Walker is a hero.


These idiots in the union get paid by the taxpayers and the taxpayers are broke. Look at this goofball Michael Moore saying the state and the U.S. is not broke. What planet does he live on?

 

[Finnguy]

In response to those who dance on the Unions grave...

I'm not sure anyone can claim victory here. (But that's a cute dancing icon anyhow...)

Did busting union right get your job back? (I mean "your job" as a collective, not a specific reference). Busting the unions is not likely to accomplish that. Your job did not get up and walk away by itself. It's gone mostly because it was shipped overseas by billionaires like David and Charles Koch, the same folks who put Gov Walker in power. Your job was not worth his time to save, because David Koch can hire six employees overseas to replace you.

<snip>

So, just to be clear, the good folks who are assembling Hondas, Toyotas and Subarus right here here in the USA are people who are dupes of big business? These are non-union folks who build a quality product and do so for less money making their superior product less costly for the consumer.

The evil rich folks exported jobs overseas say the hypnotized automatons of the left. In the mean time, the union members produce inferior products that are more costly and spend most of their time trying to figure out how to screw the supervisor and work the system.

The people who actively work to make the product less competitive see their jobs go to people who actively work to make their product more competitive. Then, the union guys who strive to make their value go down complain when the producers find that there is higher value elsewhere.

What's wrong with this picture?

You think if those workers earn less just because they want the consumer to spend less? Yeah right. If they could earn a union wage, they would jump for the possibility.

 

[Liberty]

This is a good thing. Good for Wisconsin and good for America.

 

[Finnguy]

Just look how the union thugs handled the situation with a mass riot in the capital building for days on end turning it into a pigpen.

If the Tea Party had done the same the media would have been all over them.

When the union heads turn into thugs you got to bust the unions. Walker is a hero.


These idiots in the union get paid by the taxpayers and the taxpayers are broke. Look at this goofball Michael Moore saying the state and the U.S. is not broke. What planet does he live on?

That statement right there makes me think you are either David Koch or Sam Walton.

 

[Liberty]

Just look how the union thugs handled the situation with a mass riot in the capital building for days on end turning it into a pigpen.

If the Tea Party had done the same the media would have been all over them.

When the union heads turn into thugs you got to bust the unions. Walker is a hero.


These idiots in the union get paid by the taxpayers and the taxpayers are broke. Look at this goofball Michael Moore saying the state and the U.S. is not broke. What planet does he live on?

That statement right there makes me think you are either David Koch or Sam Walton.

Or a logical thinking American.