Discussion in 'Politics' started by froggy, Mar 11, 2011.
Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker officially cuts collective bargaining
WE WON WE WON WE WON!!!
Destroying collective bargaining, which means destroying the unions would be a huge win for Republicans. Democrats would lose support from unions, a big deal. It would also allow large corporations that employ blue collar workers to push wages down to meet foreign competition, another big win for Republicans.
Destroying collective bargaining also allows states and local government to cut the biggest part of their budget, public education and make no mistake, they will do so. This again serves Republicans. They have made it quite clear that they want to see public education replaced with private schools funded by tuitions and government vouchers for the poor.
Destruction of collective bargaining is not about solving a temporary budget problem. It is about a permanent shift in political power and a major change in American society.
No one lost their job and the earth still rotates!
Best wait to see what the recall petitions bring about before stating that no one lost their job.
Not on Salaries. Just on benefits, over time Etc. They are still about to collectively bargain on their actually wages.
Even FDR warned of the Dangers of Public Employees and Collective Bargaining.
A victory for the Tax Payers of Wis, and the Teachers who would have been laid off had it not passed.
The Changes the Teachers union has been forced to accept with out Bargaining, are Rather Modest and still leave the teachers with better than Average Benefits.
This Crisis demonstrated one thing painfully clearly. That many Democrats are straight up the property of Unions, especially it seems the Public Sector Unions.
Yeah, keep us posted on that...
Just this ^^^
I'm glad to see that we've finally got a class of politicians with the balls to do what is right. We've got a lot more work to do. God Bless America.
In response to those who dance on the Unions grave...
I'm not sure anyone can claim victory here. (But that's a cute dancing icon anyhow...)
Did busting union right get your job back? (I mean "your job" as a collective, not a specific reference). Busting the unions is not likely to accomplish that. Your job did not get up and walk away by itself. It's gone mostly because it was shipped overseas by billionaires like David and Charles Koch, the same folks who put Gov Walker in power. Your job was not worth his time to save, because David Koch can hire six employees overseas to replace you.
The fact is Gov Walker is just a shill for the wealthiest Americans. But instead of accepting the unions agreement to increase their own benefit contributions (he wouldn't take "yes" for an answer), he decided to take away their workers' rights, which is what he really wanted in the first place.
Now if someone started legislation to take away Walker's bargaining rights and benefits package, well, we can be sure that would be another thing altogether...
The permanent power shift referred to earlier in this post is not a victory for anyone, unless of course you are David Koch, because that is the goal of private industries to take power from those labor unions who make certain "demands". They can rake in more money than ever without those pesky unions standing up for weekend rights and furloughs, and all those damn benefits Koch has to pay for--right out of his own enormous profits!
I know you all feel that teachers are incompetent, overpaid and taking advantage of the tax payers, that they have exorbitant retirement packages and benefits.
But the teachers I know are living paycheck to paycheck and put in long, unpaid overtime hours, drive lackluster vehicles, and still take paycuts due to lack of tax revenues and inflation. Their deal is to accept a lower salary IN EXCHANGE FOR the job security and those benefits that everyone is complaining about.
Your benefits package may not be that great, but believe me, private sector salaries ARE higher; it's a fact.
In short, your job was not taken by a union worker; it was sent overseas by your company's CEO. And you home was not stolen away by teachers and laborers; it was taken away by irresponsible bankers and mortgage lenders.
So if you wanna call it a victory, while dancing around "We won, We won", just remember it's a only a victory for the people you took your home and job away. And once they have taken away union rights, they'll move on to YOUR salaries, YOUR rights and benefits as well. And then maybe the "big picture" that this event paints will become a little clearer to you.
Way to go, folks!
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