Will you partcipate in an armed rebellion against the federal government?

[Old Rocks]

Not likely.

Assuming the worst, the fracus won't be the people of the USA V the US government, it will come to us as a civil war which will likely devolve into governance by the gun.

Given the choice between warlord anarchism and existing civil authority, I'm likely to side with the civil authorities even if I don't have much respect for them, either.

Even a bad government is typically better than the mob rule anarchy that typically comes during a civil war, folks.

What fucking planet do you live on?

Who said anything about eliminating government? We are not obligated to accept any government put in place over us. We are obligated to protect freedom AT ALL COSTS, and yes, that includes taking up arms against our own government if it oppresses the people, violates human rights, or changes into something that is not for the people, by the people, etc.

At least that's what Jefferson thought. I'll go with him instead of Edidick.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, -- That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

And we are altering it and instituting new structures that better serve the people that the nation is composed of. That there will be opposition by some to the will of the majority of Americans is a given. It is up to those that oppose to convince a majority of Americans to vote for their point of view. The babbaling on this board about an armed revolution are people that are considering imposing their minority, very minority, on the majority by force of arms. The very rhetoric they use brands them as failing to understand the ideals upon which this nation is founded.

 

[Derek_Plumber]

You go right ahead and keep feeling good about him, then. We'll try to protect you when the time comes.

Oh, I don't think you'll have to protect this New Mexico lib!

 

[Lycurgus]

 

[Old Rocks]

A good start, then, would be for "conservatives" to stop ripping the Republican Party apart by their wild-eyed isolationism from the basic tenets of the Grand OLd Party. While you may not agree with nor like everything the GOP currently stands for, there is strength in numbers. As long as you continue to act like bratty children (JUST SAY NO), and are unwilling to compromise, even a little, you will continue to lose regardless how much "cleansing" is done of the current batch serving in Washington.

A better start would be for extremist partisan hacks like you to stop babbling like a toddler. Your posts evidence that you are everything you accuse Republicans of being.

Questioning your own party and it's goals is called being honest. Something you lemming-o-crats wouldn't know a damned thing about.

I agree. The GOP is the only game in town for modern conservatives and, if it refuses to be conservative, then we have no game at all. We don't have to trash the GOP in order to express our displeasure with the way the leadership in Congress is behaving. If it doesn't make any difference whichever party is in power, why bother to have a multiple party system at all?

I am seeing phrases similar to this one being circulated around the web, but think we have to elect Republicans to Congress before it could happen even if justification can be made for it:

OBAMA IS ACTING IN VIOLATION OF USA LAW TO ACHIEVE OBJECTIVES WHICH VIOLATE USA LAW.
The solution for how to save our Constitutional Republic is to first impeach President Obama, or initiate his removal from the presidency some other lawful way. He is violating the Constitution of the USA that he swore to support. He is leading the transfer of private property from those persons and from those organizations who have lawfully earned it to those persons and organizations who have not lawfully earned it.

But I can't see Americans taking up arms against its government UNLESS the government is demolished by a totalitarian coup or some such. I CAN see one or more states getting so fed up with the imcompetence and erosion of our freedoms, choices, opportunities, and options via a creeping soft Marxism that they would opt to secede.

My question would not be whether Americans would take up arms against their government.

My question is what would Obama and the Congress do if say Texas and New Mexico seceded and refused to relinquish any more taxes or resources to the Federal government until it reversed its current disastrous course?

That question was answered in the 1860's. My Greatgrandfather served in the 11th Illinois, Fort Donaldson, Shiloh, and many more such. I would volunteer to set things right in the same manner should fools try this again. Attempting to tear this nation apart in that manner is Treason.

 

[Old Rocks]

It's a fascinating discussion if you can keep the rhetoric zombies out of it.

Let me respond to your question with a question: If the US Federal government ceases to represent the US Constitution, is it not one's duty as a US citizen to defend the latter against the former?

I do not out of hand support armed rebellion when the political mechanisms exist to change the government through peaceful means. The problem, IMO, lies in the fact that so many are so polarized to their side's rhetoric, they can't figure out their asses from holes in the ground, much less see that with a little thought applied to the situation, armed conflict is not necessary.

It is fascinating because as a foreigner, it is difficult to understand the American ethos without understanding the broad and deep premise of your question. America, more than any other country that I am aware, is based on an ideal. Generally, what foreigners do not understand is that what might look insane - people talking armed rebellion, for example - is a manifestation of that ideal that runs deep in the American ethos such that a small portion of the population is willing to die fighting the Federal government if their taxes are too high. In a way, it is insane, but in another way, there is nobility to it. (Of course, you could say the same thing about Marxists, but hey...)

An ideal is right. Americans decided they weren't going to be enslaved anymore by an oppressive and coercive government and decided to fight. (I guess you've figured out by now that it's not just about taxes.) Most people would just fall in-line like lemmings, but not true Americans. Unfortunately, there aren't too many of us left.

Oh really! You know just who the "True Americans" are? You, sir, are an idiot. Many of my family are conservatives, many are liberal. Most served, and many served in active combat. From North Africa, Italy, the South Pacific, and Okinawa. Whether conservative or liberal, they were all True Americans. None would consider taking up arms against their fellow Americans except in the direst of circumstances. And all hated war with their whole being. They knew it's reality.

 

[Old Rocks]

There are some on the board who are talking about an armed rebellion or civil war sometime down the road. That got me thinking, are you planning to participate in an armed insurrection against the federal government?

Frankly, I find this fascinating.

That would depend on the circumstances.

I'm willing to bet I could discover a set of circumstances that would drive you or anyone else to armed revolt.

Remember...armed revolt is how our country was started, so attempting to cast is as somehow morally inappropriate is a bit foolish.

Not saying that's what you're doing here, but still...I think it's funny how liberals only start to care about their country when they fear losing the ability to run it.

Funny how you Conservatives create your own reality and lies. You mean that the DD214 that I and many other liberals have was just a reflection of our desire to run the country? I have never accused those with conservative political leaning of being unpatriotic, yet you Conservative constantly repeat that stupidity that you cannot be liberal and patriotic.

 

[del]

There are some on the board who are talking about an armed rebellion or civil war sometime down the road. That got me thinking, are you planning to participate in an armed insurrection against the federal government?

Frankly, I find this fascinating.

That would depend on the circumstances.

I'm willing to bet I could discover a set of circumstances that would drive you or anyone else to armed revolt.

Remember...armed revolt is how our country was started, so attempting to cast is as somehow morally inappropriate is a bit foolish.

Not saying that's what you're doing here, but still...I think it's funny how liberals only start to care about their country when they fear losing the ability to run it.

Funny how you Conservatives create your own reality and lies. You mean that the DD214 that I and many other liberals have was just a reflection of our desire to run the country? I have never accused those with conservative political leaning of being unpatriotic, yet you Conservative constantly repeat that stupidity that you cannot be liberal and patriotic.

really?

 

[elvis]

There are some on the board who are talking about an armed rebellion or civil war sometime down the road. That got me thinking, are you planning to participate in an armed insurrection against the federal government?

Frankly, I find this fascinating.

That would depend on the circumstances.

I'm willing to bet I could discover a set of circumstances that would drive you or anyone else to armed revolt.

Remember...armed revolt is how our country was started, so attempting to cast is as somehow morally inappropriate is a bit foolish.

Not saying that's what you're doing here, but still...I think it's funny how liberals only start to care about their country when they fear losing the ability to run it.

Funny how you Conservatives create your own reality and lies. You mean that the DD214 that I and many other liberals have was just a reflection of our desire to run the country? I have never accused those with conservative political leaning of being unpatriotic, yet you Conservative constantly repeat that stupidity that you cannot be liberal and patriotic.

No, you blame us for murders instead, you piece of shit.

 

[Old Rocks]

A bill before Congress right now could lead to that break in the right of US citizens to vote, It has a provision that would allow the Attorney General to label any person, any group, any organization he disagreed with as a terrorist organization, which would lead to disbarment of such members from voting.

I might add THIS law is illegal and Unconstitutional. And could easily lead to armed rebellion when Obama and his Administration use such laws to remove from the rolls large swatches of American Citizens from the right to vote.

Returning us to a condition of A government ruling with out just representation of the people of the Country.

Silly ass, that was allready done by Bush.

 

[Old Rocks]

Using guns and revolutions to accomplish what a political faction decides is best for the country literally went out with cannon balls and high button shoes.

Says who?

You may want to go the way of banana republics to overturn your adversaries, but thinking Americans prefer to move forward, not backward.

Nice platitude, but utterly meaningless.

Creating an ever-growing class of people dependent on the government is the very definition of moving backward, and we have been moving backward at an alarming rate since January of this year.

So you say. But the majority of us voted for the present leaders. And most of us think that they are doing what they consider best. Certainly doing better than the last set of incompetant, greedy, treasonous fools.

 

[del]

Using guns and revolutions to accomplish what a political faction decides is best for the country literally went out with cannon balls and high button shoes.

Says who?

You may want to go the way of banana republics to overturn your adversaries, but thinking Americans prefer to move forward, not backward.

Nice platitude, but utterly meaningless.

Creating an ever-growing class of people dependent on the government is the very definition of moving backward, and we have been moving backward at an alarming rate since January of this year.

So you say. But the majority of us voted for the present leaders. And most of us think that they are doing what they consider best. Certainly doing better than the last set of incompetant, greedy, treasonous fools.

yep, this "set of incompetant, greedy, treasonous fools" is a marked improvement.

 

[Old Rocks]

Funny how libs are all, "oh no, our country is wonderful, let's keep it, anyone who would take up arms is a nasty" and the cons are all, "dude, let it rip."

Anyway, the United States of America as a NATION died a long time ago. All that's left is a GOVERNMENT. It has outlived its usefulness in securing peace, prosperity and freedom for its citizens and inhabitants. It needs to die. Nobody takes "the USA" seriously anymore (and if they do, there is no reason to take THEM seriously.)

There could be violence, I don't know. Probably it will just peter out elsewhere. Secession, lack of enforcement, etc.

Question is what comes next. Idea: areas that are more racially, ethnically, linguistically and culturally uniform.

Hey dude, it is already happening. By your definition, the "Whites" will be a minority soon, so most of the nation will be of the "Rainbow" race. All for the good, of course

 

[Old Rocks]

Funny how libs are all, "oh no, our country is wonderful, let's keep it, anyone who would take up arms is a nasty" and the cons are all, "dude, let it rip."

Anyway, the United States of America as a NATION died a long time ago. All that's left is a GOVERNMENT. It has outlived its usefulness in securing peace, prosperity and freedom for its citizens and inhabitants. It needs to die. Nobody takes "the USA" seriously anymore (and if they do, there is no reason to take THEM seriously.)

There could be violence, I don't know. Probably it will just peter out elsewhere. Secession, lack of enforcement, etc.

Question is what comes next. Idea: areas that are more racially, ethnically, linguistically and culturally uniform.

I am here, and I am listening. I think you are right about violence, and America's death.
I think what is next will be much better than before. I feel positive about President Obama.

You go right ahead and keep feeling good about him, then. We'll try to protect you when the time comes.

 

[Old Rocks]

That would depend on the circumstances.

I'm willing to bet I could discover a set of circumstances that would drive you or anyone else to armed revolt.

Remember...armed revolt is how our country was started, so attempting to cast is as somehow morally inappropriate is a bit foolish.

Not saying that's what you're doing here, but still...I think it's funny how liberals only start to care about their country when they fear losing the ability to run it.

Funny how you Conservatives create your own reality and lies. You mean that the DD214 that I and many other liberals have was just a reflection of our desire to run the country? I have never accused those with conservative political leaning of being unpatriotic, yet you Conservative constantly repeat that stupidity that you cannot be liberal and patriotic.

really?

Really. Note that I said that I never accused those of conservative politiacal views of being unpatriotic. The Conservatives and supporters of such as the PNAC are a differant matter. People who out undercover CIA Agents, and the organization that they and other agents used for cover, are committing Treason.

 

[Meister]

Funny how libs are all, "oh no, our country is wonderful, let's keep it, anyone who would take up arms is a nasty" and the cons are all, "dude, let it rip."

Anyway, the United States of America as a NATION died a long time ago. All that's left is a GOVERNMENT. It has outlived its usefulness in securing peace, prosperity and freedom for its citizens and inhabitants. It needs to die. Nobody takes "the USA" seriously anymore (and if they do, there is no reason to take THEM seriously.)

There could be violence, I don't know. Probably it will just peter out elsewhere. Secession, lack of enforcement, etc.

Question is what comes next. Idea: areas that are more racially, ethnically, linguistically and culturally uniform.

Hey dude, it is already happening. By your definition, the "Whites" will be a minority soon, so most of the nation will be of the "Rainbow" race. All for the good, of course

I have no problem with what color they are, just as long as they're legal, and can speak the English language.

 

[Old Rocks]

That would depend on the circumstances.

I'm willing to bet I could discover a set of circumstances that would drive you or anyone else to armed revolt.

Remember...armed revolt is how our country was started, so attempting to cast is as somehow morally inappropriate is a bit foolish.

Not saying that's what you're doing here, but still...I think it's funny how liberals only start to care about their country when they fear losing the ability to run it.

Funny how you Conservatives create your own reality and lies. You mean that the DD214 that I and many other liberals have was just a reflection of our desire to run the country? I have never accused those with conservative political leaning of being unpatriotic, yet you Conservative constantly repeat that stupidity that you cannot be liberal and patriotic.

No, you blame us for murders instead, you piece of shit.

Oh? What murders have you committed lately?

 

[Old Rocks]

Says who?



Nice platitude, but utterly meaningless.

Creating an ever-growing class of people dependent on the government is the very definition of moving backward, and we have been moving backward at an alarming rate since January of this year.

So you say. But the majority of us voted for the present leaders. And most of us think that they are doing what they consider best. Certainly doing better than the last set of incompetant, greedy, treasonous fools.

yep, this "set of incompetant, greedy, treasonous fools" is a marked improvement.

The present administration has yet to prove itself incompetant, and unlike the prior one, I see nothing that they have done that could possibly be classed as treason.

 

[elvis]

funny how you conservatives create your own reality and lies. You mean that the dd214 that i and many other liberals have was just a reflection of our desire to run the country? I have never accused those with conservative political leaning of being unpatriotic, yet you conservative constantly repeat that stupidity that you cannot be liberal and patriotic.

no, you blame us for murders instead, you piece of shit.

oh? What murders have you committed lately?

none.

 

[Old Rocks]

no, you blame us for murders instead, you piece of shit.

oh? What murders have you committed lately?

none.

Good, nice to see you putting off old habits.

 

[AllieBaba]

So the murders you committed were in the distant past?